ElmerFudd445
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Jun 13 @ 1:53AM
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As awful as it sounds...
Parasite: An organism that lives in or on and takes its nourishment from another organism. A parasite cannot live independently.
I guess it depends on your point of view... and a woman has the right to decide
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Wing_Zero_75
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Jun 13 @ 2:22AM
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Elmer, I look at this planet as a living organism. Maybe not at a concisence level, but a biological level. So are we parasites as well? I say yes.
The thing is supreme, these people take no responsibility for their actions. I advocat abortion as a form of birth control only because it will be the child who suffers the most. The parents use the child as a means of support through state agencies. All the while the child is neglected, abused, molested or in some cases killed. Look at Casey Anthony. She had a child and couoldnt be bothered with her own child. Look at my sister. She ignores her kids for a damned video game. How is that fair to the child? Both of those kids are going to turn out like me. Manically depressed self loathing, self mutilators. I guess the question is would you rather see children tortured throughout their life? Or given the best chance they have by being aborted. You can argue all you want about it being against the law and such and find every reason not to allow it being legal, but you cant make the parents be parents. I have seen crack babies even this far north, its the most horrible thing I have witnessed next to obama's speeches.  Not only will they be developementaly challenged, but I imagine they will be neglected as well. I have seen children locked outside on a porch in 90 degree weather all because they wouldnt stop crying. The childrens services ended up giving the child back after a couple of weeks only to be neglected again. I called them at least 4 different times. After he was given back they closed the case and were done with it. I guess what I am getting at is sometimes you have to choose between the lesser of the evils.
Larry
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stark_raving_sane
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Jun 13 @ 2:45AM
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Of curiosity, do you support euthanasia or the death penalty?
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Herodotus
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Jun 13 @ 2:58AM
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I’m not a woman but the issue at it’s root is not about women nor women rights
That perfectly and succinctly sums up why you are not qualified to comment or dictate a law.
Women are not chattels, whose sole purpose is to breed. Yours is the view of mysogyny. You, or no one else for that matter, has the right to dictate what happens to another human beings body.
You should be questioning the morality or total; lack of it, of the person who murdered, in order to enforce his own twisted view of the world on society. A society, which had rightly, given women the right to choose.
Or is that the wrong kind of freedom for you?
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Herodotus
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Jun 13 @ 3:12AM
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Stark Raving Sane
Of curiosity, do you support euthanasia or the death penalty?
My money would be on support the death penalty but not the relief of suffering because we all know we have been placed on this tiny planet, to suffer and suffer, we must.
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Xanadath
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Jun 13 @ 3:39AM
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Okay. Abortion is murder.
Does it matter?
If one considers whether community standards define what is right, legal, ethical or moral... and... if one considers whether a majority defines the standards.... you might find yourself here:
Our laws are chosen, made, decided and upheld by people. Lawmakers, lawyers, judges and voters. Yes, voters... and citizens who on any side of the political equation run for public office, participate in government and vote.
At one time, owning slaves, treating women as property, stoning women to death for adultery and burning witches was the right, just and legal thing to do. Not so much anymore, at least in the America I know.
So what happened?
How far back into the "good ol' days" would you have us go?
Lament if you will for the "sanctity of life". Based on human history (not just experiences with, but dealings and attitude) of war, famine, poverty, disease, capital punishment and so on... I am left with one conclusion:
Humans have never considered life sacred... exept when it behooves them, and only in small doses and whichever humans they choose...
By a majority.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 13 @ 4:34AM
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Of curiosity, do you support euthanasia or the death penalty?
What does the above have to do with abortion. Euthanasia is a physician assisted
suicide. A result of one's choice on one's own life. The other, death penalty is a result of a 1st degree murder conviction with malice.
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dizzydoll
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Jun 13 @ 4:48AM
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wow
what a different mood to the last!
i didnt even read supremefools blog, just your comments........ i have to agree. i never married or had kids, but i see the pain adults inflict on kids  , we dont deserve them unless we care for them.
kudus to the commentators, i will wait for your next blogs and be sure to add each.
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oct_cat
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Jun 13 @ 6:29AM
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I am not going to argue for or against because that's been done for years.
However I have an issue with the OP when he writes:
You as the mother have the right to end life based on your immoral and irresponsible behavior. First, last I knew it still took one male & one female to procreate.
Second, the word "immoral" assumes that women who seek abortions are single, not ready to be parents, etc. I am willing to bet there are some responsible married women out there who's husbands have been in on the decision??
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observed50
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Jun 13 @ 7:24AM
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Pt. 1 "I haven’t found “one” case with a legitimate legal argument."
Pt. 2 "...haven’t heard any philosophy that would lead me to believe that these people are rational human beings."
Let's see...since abortion has been before the courts in many different forms, including the US Supreme Court, and is still with us...ergo, it would have to be the case you couldn't recognize a legitimate legal argument if it hit you square between the eyes.
Why would that be?
Why...Pt. 2! Your denial of rationality to people who don't see the world in such narrow, confined, self-righteous, and fearful terms as you do can only lead one to conclude that it is the author himself who is without rationality.
Which would explain why it is so difficult for you to recognize and offer legitimate arguments...because you pay so little attention to the rules of logic and argument.
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ragtopcookie
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Jun 13 @ 7:31AM
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Damn......well said.......glad you didnt say it about something i wrote......i think matchdoctor is getting back to where it once was.....say your point...but respect others as we  ...........blog on...and on.....and on.......cookie
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Ginstl
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Jun 13 @ 8:20AM
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The anti-abortion movement, anti-smoking movement etc provide a paycheck to a select few in charge of stirring up the hysteria among their followers. I think I'll start the anti-asshole movement so I can earn a political paycheck too! 
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EternalFlame
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Jun 13 @ 8:47AM
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You have been given the right to murder life as a result of your immoral and irresponsible conduct.
Tell that to the 12 year old girl that's been being molested by good old "Uncle" Charlie for the past 5 or 6 years and ends up pregnant. Would an abortion be justified then? What if that 12 year old was your own daughter? Would you force her to bear the child of her molester?
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mik48
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Jun 13 @ 9:15AM
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I have only one thing to add to this blog because everything else I wanted to say has been written. Why is it that so many people get all up in arms over abortion and yet say little or nothing about the fact that over fifty thousand children a day, yes 50,000 a day die of starvation. Something that could be prevented, and yet you say nothing. Once again over three and half million children in this world die from starvation every year and yet there is barely squeak from the populace on that one. Nobody cares enough about those children, and they were born and had a life.
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imlost2
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Jun 13 @ 10:14AM
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What I don't understand about this whole thing is how can they charge a man who has murdered a woman who is pregnant with two charges of murder, one for the woman and one for the unborn child, if the fetus is not a baby? In those cases where it is convenient they decide the fetus is a baby but yet, when a woman wants to have an abortion, they decide it's not. Give me a break, be honest to yourselves. Take care Lost
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RightWingRepublican
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Jun 13 @ 10:15AM
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The whole rape and incest excuse is getting old.
All it's teaching them is that 2 wrongs DO make a right.
I know 2 wonderful ladies who went through this type of situation. One of them gave their child up for adoption (and now regrets it) at 14 years old. The other has her daughter with her and has lived happily with a beautiful child since she was 15.
Everyone likes to speak for the rape and incest victims, but it's not our place to be justifying this disgusting behavior by using them as examples all the time.
I just read the stupid comment about death penalty and euthanasia.
Unborn children are innocent, murders aren't.
Euthanasia is suicide in a shot. Are people being Euthanized against their will? 
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dizzydoll
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Jun 13 @ 10:44AM
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The whole rape and incest excuse is getting old.
really, with rape and incest on the increase?...and the law still doesnt take it seriously 
Mik you make an excellent point.
Something is alive only if it breathes. Without life there is no death.
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EternalFlame
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Jun 13 @ 10:50AM
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OK, RWR, if that excuse is old, how about MY excuse?
Newly married, I found out I was pregnant and was quite excited. We shared our news with our family and friends and eagerly awaited our new arrival.
A few weeks later, there were some complications. Ultrasound indicated that the baby was growing half in one of my fallopian tubes and half out. Attempting to have this baby would kill me, so I was admitted for emergency surgery...an abortion.
I guess you could say it was self-defense, eh? Me or the baby. I chose ME.
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dizzydoll
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Jun 13 @ 10:53AM
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and really, doesnt an abortion have to take place within the first 3 months? that means there are no legs and arms and brain. the fetus is smaller than a pea.
give me a break!. this subject is old.... its a womens body and its her choice. clean up your own back yard before you start dictating.
geez
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RightWingRepublican
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Jun 13 @ 10:53AM
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Something is alive only if it breathes. Without life there is no death.
So if a child is being born and someone slaps tape over it's mouth and nose, it never takes a breathe, when it dies it didn't actually die because it never took a breathe?
The attempt of justifying this is really insane. Everyone's trying to find ANY way possible to make themselves feel better about supporting killing kids. You guys will stop at nothing to justify it.
rape and incest on the increase? Who said that? Where is it said?
That's a Guesstimate.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 13 @ 10:53AM
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you couldn't recognize a legitimate legal argument
There was and is no factual Constitutional right to an abortion. The Court simply pulled that right out of thin air. You missed my point.
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EternalFlame
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Jun 13 @ 10:59AM
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Well, I believe my case does indeed have legal precedent. My life was in danger...self-defense is justifiable homicide in the US
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imlost2
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Jun 13 @ 11:05AM
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Like I said, you all are forgetting the cases where they charge for two lives if a woman is pregnant when a man murders a pregnant woman, that baby is certainly a life then, where's your argument? Many courts have said so. They put men away for life for murder, so why not women? Is this a double standard?Take care Lost
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RightWingRepublican
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Jun 13 @ 11:05AM
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.self-defense is justifiable homicide in the US So the baby had a plan of action, to kill you?
THAT was a understandable and horrific thing to have to go through (i would never ever want to be in that position). That is the only instance that i would agree with it. It's a frickin shame it even happened to you. 
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 13 @ 11:13AM
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An organism that lives in or on and takes its nourishment from another organism. A parasite cannot live independently.
How long would a baby survive outside the womb with no human contact?. 3-4 day's maybe. I wonder if people like you would be willing to tell your children exactly what you thought of them at the point of conception.
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RightWingRepublican
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Jun 13 @ 11:16AM
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I wonder if people like you would be willing to tell your children exactly what you thought of them at the point of conception.
Makes you wonder how good of a parent someone could be. The whole time they were inside mom, mom and dad didn't believe the baby was a real human. That can't be a very nice environment to live in, born and unborn.
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ElmerFudd445
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Jun 13 @ 12:59PM
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Hey... I pulled the definition right out of the medical books.. We are all parasites on this planet earth.. and this planet aborts us from time to time
Again.. it's a point of view.. and the truth.. we abort all types of lives in this world.. from insects to animals (by the way, we are animals) When it comes to ones body.. It's a matter of choice.. we eliminate parasites from our bodies all the time..
to be truly honest with you, if I were a woman, and pregnant, I would not abort.. but I do not have the right to tell someone else what they must do or not do when it comes to there own choice within there own body.. just as RWR has the right to her belief and her own body.. it IS her choice.. The problem I have with the world on choices.. once one choice is taken away, it becomes easier to take away more choices.. before long, you are left with none.. right or wrong on this one... it's not my choice.. it becomes a personal one that only you can live with
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ElmerFudd445
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Jun 13 @ 1:06PM
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by the way Mr superhuman... I have told my kids they are parasites... of course, they do understand what a parasite really is.. I'm one too.. for I cannot live without this planet.. by the way.. when mother earth aborts some of us parasites.. I have no choice in that matter either.. 
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 13 @ 1:21PM
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We are all parasites
Parasite defines an action as in living dependently as you I'm sure to welfare. The word parasite in medical terms does not define life nor is the definition of life. Yes, and another public school graduate.
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ElmerFudd445
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Jun 13 @ 1:26PM
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the word parasite in medical terms does not define life nor is the definition of life. Yes, and another public school graduate..
Ahh.. yes in fact we are .. in a true definition..
by the way... GOD himself aborted us once.. and it was his choice.. put that in your pipe and smoke it..
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 13 @ 1:32PM
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GOD himself aborted us once
Goes to show you God isn't perfect either, should have aborted you twice. Is the Romper Room site down our something?
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dizzydoll
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Jun 13 @ 1:45PM
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people who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones
i hope your all of you right wingers sake ....that you are not put to any test. you might find it unbearable enough to abort yourselves with a shotgun to ya head
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ElmerFudd445
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Jun 13 @ 1:45PM
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geez I wish I were the supremebeing you are.. I would love to have the power to insult and be oh so right about everythnig..
pathetic 
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RightWingRepublican
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Jun 13 @ 1:49PM
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i hope your all of you right wingers sake ....that you are not put to any test. you might find it unbearable enough to abort yourselves with a shotgun to ya head
To ya head?
Someone is sneaking onto mom and dad's computer when they aren't home.
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dizzydoll
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Jun 13 @ 2:55PM
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shout all you like
people who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones
you had better hope you are not put to the test...funny thing about life, just when we think we have got it, it throws us a curb ball and tests us
fools the lot of you
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 13 @ 3:09PM
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As typical the left wingers fight back with insult no fact.
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imlost2
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Jun 13 @ 3:46PM
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I don't see a left or right to this subject, only the baby looses, there are no winners here. How can anyone win when a life, parasite or whatever you want to call it dies? Since no one knows the outcome of one's actions yet such as the end results due to having an abortion, how can anyone say they are right? Time will tell in the end of times. Right now only the baby knows of the suffering if any, only the baby knows how they feel, only the baby knows if they see God. Until then it's a guessing game for us. All this conversation might all be in vain, so there is no right or left. Take care Lost
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dizzydoll
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Jun 13 @ 4:57PM
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As typical the left wingers fight back with insult no fact.
rape and incest on the increase? Who said that? Where is it said?
That's a Guesstimate.
see:
http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/statsinfo/nis3.cfm
The NIS-3 provides us with important insights about the incidence and distribution of child abuse and neglect and about changes in incidence since the previous studies.
Incidence
There have been substantial and significant increases in the incidence of child abuse and neglect since the last national incidence study was conducted in 1986.
Under the Harm Standard definitions, the total number of abused and neglected children was two-thirds higher in the NIS-3 than in the NIS-2. This means that a child's risk of experiencing harm-causing abuse or neglect in 1993 was one and one-half times the child's risk in 1986.
Under the Endangerment Standard, the number of abused and neglected children nearly doubled from 1986 to 1993. Physical abuse nearly doubled, sexual abuse more than doubled, and emotional abuse, physical neglect, and emotional neglect were all more than two and one-half times their NIS-2 levels.
The total number of children seriously injured and the total number endangered both quadrupled during this time.
Child Characteristics
Girls were sexually abused three times more often than boys
Boys had a greater risk of emotional neglect and of serious injury than girls.
Children are consistently vulnerable to sexual abuse from age three on.
There were no significant race differences in the incidence of maltreatment or maltreatment-related injuries uncovered in either the NIS-2 or the NIS-3.
Family Characteristics
Children of single parents had a 77-percent greater risk of being harmed by physical abuse, an 87-percent greater risk of being harmed by physical neglect, and an 80-percent greater risk of suffering serious injury or harm from abuse or neglect than children living with both parents.
Children in the largest families were physically neglected at nearly three times the rate of those who came from single-child families.
Children from families with annual incomes below $15,000 as compared to children from families with annual incomes above $30,000 per year were over 22 times more likely to experience some form of maltreatment that fit the Harm Standard and over 25 times more likely to suffer some form of maltreatment as defined by the Endangerment Standard.
Children from the lowest income families were 18 times more likely to be sexually abused, almost 56 times more likely to be educationally neglected, and over 22 times more likely to be seriously injured from maltreatment as defined under the Harm Standard than children from the higher income families.
Child Protective Services (CPS) Investigation
CPS investigated only 28 percent of the recognized children who met the Harm Standard. This was a significant decrease from the 44 percent investigated in 1986.
Although the percentage of children whose abuse or neglect was investigated declined, the actual number of children investigated remained constant.
CPS investigated less than one-half of all Harm Standard children recognized by any source and less than one-half of all Endangerment Standard children recognized by any source except police and sheriffs' departments (52%).
Schools recognized the largest number of children maltreated under the Harm Standard, but only 16 percent of these children were investigated by CPS.
CPS investigated only 26 percent of the seriously injured and 26 percent of the moderately injured children.
This study would not have been possible without the support of hundreds of agencies and individual caseworkers, teachers, police officers, social workers, probation officers, nurses, and other professionals in the study counties who contributed their enthusiastic support and much of their time in the effort to assess accurately the incidence, nature, and distribution of child abuse and neglect in the United States. I extend my appreciation to these dedicated respondents.
Olivia A. Golden
Commissioner
Administration on Children, Youth
and Families
This report summarizes the Third National Incidence Study of Child Abuse and Neglect (NIS-3). It gives a synopsis of the study's background and objectives, its design and methods, and its key findings and implications
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heartwarming... much better than aborting an unwanted child
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dizzydoll
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Jun 13 @ 5:10PM
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just go to this link, there is so much more
it makes me sick
http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/statsinfo/nis3.cfm
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dizzydoll
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Jun 13 @ 5:34PM
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Note: Parents includes stepparents.
Of all children under age 5 murdered from 1976 - 2005 --
31% were killed by fathers
29% were killed by mothers
23% were killed by male acquaintances
7% were killed by other relatives
3% were killed by strangers
Of those children killed by someone other than their parent, 81% were killed by males.
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just to make you feel warm and fuzzy...
so who is doing the majority of child killing?
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/children.htm
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stark_raving_sane
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Jun 13 @ 5:43PM
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Nothing says "In your face!" like statistics.
dizzydoll, these are exactly the reasons I think of abortion as "mercy killing"...
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SweetNapaGuy
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Jun 13 @ 6:55PM
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Since this has been argued in the forums, I'll just post some comments I made there:
Maybe one day there won't be any That is my hope, as well. There is so much potential being wasted. But given a choice between keeping abortions legal and safe and instituting the type of totalitarian state necessary to end abortions completely, I choose freedom of choice. It's not the best solution. It's not an ideal solution. But we don't live in an ideal world. It's the best solution we currently have. Note: criminalizing abortions WON'T stop them from happening, it'll only provide "cruel and unusual punishment" to those who are unable to afford foreign travel to abortion-legal countries. We'd have back-alley butchers and women crippled trying to "fall down stairs" and all the old methods of ending pregnancies. Focus on reducing abortions through reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies. That's the quickest way to reduce the impact of the objectionable practice. Comprehensive sex education (with an understanding of human nature, rather than expecting people to be paragons of virtue), plentiful contraceptives and birth control, similar programs. If women aren't pregnant, by definition they won't consider terminating a (non-existent) pregnancy. But that's a "real-world solution." It's not some twisted ideology. It doesn't conform to a near-impossible standard. It's just "grit your teeth and accept it" pragmatism. Liberal Europe versus conservative USA( Same data, but in charts) (Just a note: by following the European model, we could see abortions among teenage girls drop by a couple hundred thousand per year, all without infringing on civil liberties or having the girls sacrifice their academic or working future.) The data are deeply into the "statistically significant" range. America has 5 to 8 times the rate of "undesirable results" from their teenagers than the more liberal European countries. Treat your children like they're "adults in training," rather than precious sunflowers that need to be protected, gives them a better chance of making the right decision when their hormones are raging out of control.
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dizzydoll
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Jun 13 @ 7:10PM
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There have been significant declines in pregnancy, birth, and abortion rates for teenagers over the past decade. From 1990 to 2002, the pregnancy rate among 15 to 17 year-olds decreased 42%, from 77.1 per 1,000 females to 44.4. The birth rate declined 45%, from its peak at 38.6 per 1,000 in 1991 to 21.4 per 1,000 in 2005.3 In 2002, more than 750,000 pregnancies among U.S. teenagers, aged 15 to 19 years resulted in 425,000 live births, 215,000 abortions, and 117,000 fetal losses
thanks sweetnapa
perhaps this news will put this issue to bed for once and for all
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 13 @ 7:50PM
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Dizzydoll,
Thanks for proving my point. The reason abortion is legal is because we have so many immoral and irresponsible people. Perhaps you should have read the blog before you stuck your foot in your mouth.
And yet another public school graduate Good job Dizzy
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SweetNapaGuy
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Jun 13 @ 7:57PM
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If the "liberal European" model were followed, those abortions from teenage girls would possibly be reduced by anywhere from 135k to 183k per year.
Think of that. Approximately three-quarters of all abortions from teenage girls are the fault of people who have chosen dogma over a pragmatic and realistic view of the problem.
We have it in our power to reduce abortions by 75% over the next two decades, without infringing on the civil liberties of 50+% of our population. Or we can continue to talk about "ideal world" solutions that don't work in the real world.
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dizzydoll
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Jun 13 @ 8:50PM
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Thanks for proving my point.
i didnt prove your point at all. and if the best you can offer is to be abusive then you need to fix your god damn attitude
anyone who comes up with a statement like this doesnt deserve any further reading of their blog.....
Some say a woman has a right to her own body but in the case of pregnancy it’s no longer her own body anymore.
so as i said right from the get go, if you bothered to read
wow
what a different mood to the last!
i didnt even read supremefools blog, just your comments........ i have to agree. i never married or had kids, but i see the pain adults inflict on kids, we dont deserve them unless we care for them.
kudus to the commentators, i will wait for your next blogs and be sure to add each.
loose your ego for a bit, look around and see there is so much more to life than your constant derision
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Ginstl
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Jun 13 @ 9:32PM
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Hey Supremebeing412 Who do you know on Grosse Ile? I grew up there.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 13 @ 10:17PM
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There have been significant declines in pregnancy, birth, and abortion rates for teenagers over the past decade. From 1990 to 2002, the pregnancy rate among 15 to 17 year-olds decreased 42%, from 77.1 per 1,000 females to 44.4. The birth rate declined 45%, from its peak at 38.6 per 1,000 in 1991 to 21.4 per 1,000 in 2005.3 In 2002, more than 750,000 pregnancies among U.S. teenagers, aged 15 to 19 years resulted in 425,000 live births, 215,000 abortions, and 117,000 fetal losses
Let's take teen pregnancy rates. In the 1970's and 80's it was common for people to be married right out of high school unlike the 90's to now which we all know that marriage rates have been declining. So the long term data is misleading. In the 80's 54% of teen preganicies were marital births. Today 18.6% are.
I see you left out 2006 statistics why?, because teen pregnancy rose 4%. Amazing how they dropped that pregnancy rate between 15-17 year-old " 42% " you say. How they do that?. It's called manipulating the data.
Just a note: by following the European model, we could see abortions among teenage girls drop by a couple hundred thousand per year, all without infringing on civil liberties or having the girls sacrifice their academic or working future
figures last month revealed that the number of under-18s conceiving in England has risen by nearly 12 per cent in ten years, to 39,545 in 2004. There has been a rise in abortion rates between 1984 and 2004 by 50 per cent, reaching a record of 185,000, which is the highest in Western Europe.
I don't blame you 2 because you are unaware of the games that go on when politic's, funding and so on enter the mix. Like saying Welfare is declining when the government simply created another government assistance program named something else that people hop on.
The old game was " teenage preganacy declining " but what they didn't tell you was that " teenage abortion " had risen or " teenage abortion " declining " while nit telling you that "teenage live birth " increased.
The new game is legislating the outcome and calling procedures different names to skew the data. 50% of States submit partial data in regards to teen pregnancy and abortion statistics. The most common data failed to be supplied?, patients name followed by patients age. Colorado, Maryland, Nevada, Arizona, and District of Columbia being the worst offenders. States such as California, New Hampshire and Alaska don't even report teenage pregnancy or abortions rates today.
Researching "all" so called sin social topics is difficult and exhausting gang. It took my company 146 man hours to confirm that 98% of gay violence is committed by another gay. Why, because gay's, pro-gay's and gay organizations and gay advocacy groups don't want the public to know that. Why did teen pregnancy and abortion suddenly drop?. Alot of reasons and none of them true.
Sorry to disappoint you. Nice try though.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 13 @ 10:23PM
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Hey Supremebeing412 Who do you know on Grosse Ile? I grew up there.
I know a few not a native of the area as many on the island are. Probably would know a few more if the freaken golf course would quit flooding.
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SweetNapaGuy
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Jun 13 @ 11:01PM
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figures last month revealed that the number of under-18s conceiving in England has risen by nearly 12 per cent in ten years, to 39,545 in 2004. There has been a rise in abortion rates between 1984 and 2004 by 50 per cent, reaching a record of 185,000, which is the highest in Western Europe.
And England isn't half as liberal as places like the Netherlands.
There's a strong correlation between conservatism and abortion rates, it'd seem. The more uptight people are about sex, the less information they provide to teenagers, and the more poor choices teenagers make.
It's not that hard to understand. Give children the information they need to make the right decisions, and they're less likely to make the wrong decisions. (They're still teenagers, they're still be a percentage that screw up, but if we can prevent 75% of the abortions simply by making sure that the teenage girls don't get pregnant...?)
Amazing how they dropped that pregnancy rate between 15-17
You know, most people consider 18-year-olds to be adults. Might be why they made the cutoff at 17. Because those are generally considered to be children. Could that be a more likely reason why they staged the cutoff there? Supposedly, the 18yo's should be making their own decisions, as a fully mature adult...
If they put the cutoff at 19, would you have said "they left out the people aged 20 to 25"?
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 13 @ 11:27PM
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Let's see...since abortion has been before the courts in many different forms, including the US Supreme Court, and is still with us...ergo, it would have to be the case you couldn't recognize a legitimate legal argument if it hit you square between the eyes.
Missed my point Observed50. It's not about whether abortion is legal, it obviously is legal. The question is that there is and was no legitimate constitutional argument.
Let's take a look at Roe v. Wade in which the Supreme Court held that a law against abortion violated the right to privacy under the Due Process Clause. That doesn't even make any sense. Justice Blackmun knew that as well.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 13 @ 11:42PM
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It's not that hard to understand. Give children the information they need to make the right decisions, and they're less likely to make the wrong decisions. (They're still teenagers, they're still be a percentage that screw up, but if we can prevent 75% of the abortions simply by making sure that the teenage girls don't get pregnant...?)
The problem Napa is getting them the right information. This is why public education needs to be overhauled or flat out closed down. It has become a highway for agenda's and manipulation. The interest in educating is gone.
These kids soon turn into what are supposed to be adults and their ability act and think as adults with reason and intelligent thought has been taken away by the same system that is suppose to educate them.
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SweetNapaGuy
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Jun 13 @ 11:49PM
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Some education is better than nothing. And the "overhauls" that are always suggested are even MORE filled with agendas (e.g. "abstinence only" or "creation science") than the supposedly corrupt material currently being taught.
The world today is a lot more complicated than it was back in the time of Little House on the Prairie. And yet, people are constantly saying we should teach children even LESS information than was taught back then. How are we supposed to compete, when the "ultra-right fringers" want to turn our schools into Christian madrassas?
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stark_raving_sane
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Jun 14 @ 12:01AM
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I asked: Of curiosity, do you support euthanasia or the death penalty?
You replied with:
What does the above have to do with abortion. Euthanasia is a physician assisted suicide. A result of one's choice on one's own life. The other, death penalty is a result of a 1st degree murder conviction with malice.
As selected from my blog/response:
Apparently, I phrased my question poorly, because the point of it has been clearly missed. What do euthanasia and capital punishment have to do with abortion?? Seriously?! Ok, lemme spell it out:
Abortion is inflicting death on an unborn infant human.
Euthanasia is inflicting death on a suffering individual.
Capital punishment is inflicting death on someone perceived to be guilty - or "eye for an eye" type consequences.
In all three cases, the result is death.
To be clear, what I'm really getting at is the question of how you can condone and justify killing under selective circumstances, but oppose it under others.
Note, I did not ask about assisted suicide - I asked about mercy killing. And I did not ask about crimes committed, only about the equally guilty consequences inflicted.
As I asked RWR - How do you reconcile such hypocritical statements and double standards?
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 14 @ 12:41AM
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Some education is better than nothing. And the "overhauls" that are always suggested are even MORE filled with agendas (e.g. "abstinence only" or "creation science") than the supposedly corrupt material currently being taught.
The world today is a lot more complicated than it was back in the time of Little House on the Prairie. And yet, people are constantly saying we should teach children even LESS information than was taught back then. How are we supposed to compete, when the "ultra-right fringers" want to turn our schools into Christian madrassas?
As you well know evolutionary minds haven't produced a smidgen of proof. They keep digging in the dirt for answers to no avail. I had an opportunity to take in part of the " missing link " which was a complete intellectual farse. Yet public school children go to school and are trained in the idea that nothing exist higher then themselves. They are deprived of scientific evidence to the contrary.
Religion comes in a variety of shapes and forms but God doesn't. By God I mean higher being. God is a human interpretation or definition of. Doesn't it strike you odd that the "missing links" never seems to 200,000 years old or a 125,000 years old?. Why do we have no problem finding "missing links" 47 million years old but can't find " missing links " in our historical backyard so to say.
On what scientific basis did Charles Darwin base his hypothesis?, none. He lived at a time where science had little understanding nor implementation and yet to this day what still is a hypothesis is taught to every public school student. We replaced one religion with another in short. The Ten Commandments replaced by the Big Bang, evolution and whatever screwed up thought people can come up with.
Personally I'd rather have my child educated in none of the above then one over the other. That's a logical solution to the public school dilemma but yet we do the opposite. The schools educate in evolution because it's driven by forces not interested in educating but intereted in promoting their agenda. In fact, one is no different then the other.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 14 @ 12:49AM
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Abortion is inflicting death on an unborn infant human.
What does the unborn have to do with life?. Good question. Then how can the murder of a pregnant woman be double homicide?. If life is determined by who is born and unborn how can it be double homicide?.
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stark_raving_sane
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Jun 14 @ 1:14AM
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That's a really neat, sneaky attempt at evasion. Bravo.
You so completely did NOT answer my question AT ALL.
Why not?
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 14 @ 1:16AM
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Capital punishment is inflicting death on someone perceived to be guilty - or "eye for an eye" type consequences.
So what your sayng is that a jury returns a guilty verdict because they perceive them to be guilty by the preponderance of evidence. And this has what to do with abortion?. That abortion is a "eye for an eye"?. That the baby is guilty of a capital crime?. That abortion is a " mercy killing ".
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 14 @ 1:17AM
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What exactly is your question?
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stark_raving_sane
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Jun 14 @ 1:29AM
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I don't know whether to insult or applaud your tactic of (hopefully feigned) ignorance and inability to follow simple, logical arguments and deficient capacity to offer a direct response to a direct question. Yes, if you dance around long enough, people might become distracted and forget what they were asking. Better yet, frustrate them by twisting and morphing the conversation in an attempt to confuse them - then they'll give up and go away!
Yeah, okay. Because you aren't worth my energy...
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 14 @ 1:42AM
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I don't know whether to insult or applaud your tactic of (hopefully feigned) ignorance and inability to follow simple, logical arguments and deficient capacity to offer a direct response to a direct question. Yes, if you dance around long enough, people might become distracted and forget what they were asking. Better yet, frustrate them by twisting and morphing the conversation in an attempt to confuse them - then they'll give up and go away!
Yeah, okay. Because you aren't worth my energy...
O.K. but you didn't answer my twisiting and morphing question. What exactly is your question?.
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SweetNapaGuy
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Jun 14 @ 2:08AM
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Okay. Where's a "jaw drop" emoticon...?
So much ignorance in that one post (re: creationism), I'm not even going to bother...
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stark_raving_sane
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Jun 14 @ 2:11AM
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So much ignorance in that one post ... I'm not even going to bother... Yes, a beautiful diversionary tactic, isn't it? 
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 14 @ 2:24AM
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I'm not even going to bother
You don't want to or can't?. Perhaps your out of your league. You don't feel comfortable debating someone that will make you look like an idiot?. You can't prove your point so your response is " I'm not even going to bother". Typical liberal.
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dizzydoll
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Jun 14 @ 5:06AM
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stark and sweetnapa i applaud your attempts to make this supremefool see your point. but as with all right fighters they will never get it, they simply ignore what they dont want to see
It's not about whether abortion is legal, it obviously is legal. The question is that there is and was no legitimate constitutional argument.
duh, thats because you dont own a womens body... why dont you get it? perhaps you should stop trying to degrade those who have had abortions and will continue to have abortions.... and fix this problem instead
Note: Parents includes stepparents.
Of all children under age 5 murdered from 1976 - 2005 --
31% were killed by fathers
29% were killed by mothers
23% were killed by male acquaintances
7% were killed by other relatives
3% were killed by strangers
Of those children killed by someone other than their parent, 81% were killed by males.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/children.htm
again so who is doing the majority of child killing?
and please try your best not to ignore this....... its so much more important than women bashing.
peace and love to those who actually do care for living children
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BUSTED616
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Jun 14 @ 8:40AM
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 14 @ 10:24AM
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Hows that foot tasting there dizzydoll
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dizzydoll
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Jun 14 @ 11:57AM
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has the cat got your tongue, is that the best you have to offer...........
what is it like with rubber ball in your mouth?
i will not be coming back to your blog so when you ready to accept abortions are legal in the USA and women own their own bodies, you can drop me a line.... to let me know... and to apologise.
thank you
dizzy
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dizzydoll
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Jun 14 @ 12:25PM
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darn i forgot to ask, i suppose its because i am convinced its true.........
are you and DRACULA_VwV the same person.
at least we both know hell is too good for either of you
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 14 @ 3:25PM
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I'm the only Supremebeing. I have no alias unlike some of you.
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skyscraper948
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Jun 15 @ 9:40AM
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Let me preface this by saying that i'm not a republican and haven't entered a church in about 20 years... hell, at one time i was a registered communist. lol. so, i'm no right winger... i'm a lefty through and through... with that said... it never ceases to amaze me how seemingly rational people speak of abortion as if it were a wonderful and empowering thing for women. It's not... it's a horrible and awful procedure that ends a potential human life... and some women do use it as birth control... thats a fact. Whether believe the fetus is actually "alive" or not really doesnt matter. I think supreme made an excellent post and his point was proven again and again by the posters. I have two children under the age of 2 who i cant imagine ending their life because it inconvenienced me... Awful.... just awful. I'll never understand it.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 15 @ 10:20AM
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it never ceases to amaze me how seemingly rational people speak of abortion as if it were a wonderful and empowering thing for women .
Isn't it something.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 15 @ 10:35AM
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duh, thats because you dont own a womens body... why dont you get it? perhaps you should stop trying to degrade those who have had abortions and will continue to have abortions.... and fix this problem instead
When a woman is pregnant it's no longer her own body. Duh, why don't you get that. The woman in short has entered into a " joint partnership " of her body.
All you pro-abortion on this blog have done nothing but prove my point. Society has degraded to such a point that " we have to have abortion ".
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skyscraper948
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Jun 15 @ 2:01PM
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oh, and i forgot... dizzy, slavery was also legal in the United States at one time (and it was upheld by the supreme court). And so were jim crow laws, and the disenfranchisement of women, so on and so on. Just because something is currently legal, doesn't necessarily mean that it should be or will stay that way. That was an extremely weak argument. yikes.
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RightWingRepublican
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Jun 15 @ 9:29PM
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Now Skyscraper,
Look at her, she's in an elderly and fragile state. don't pick on her.
That photo is from 1972... so you can only imagine what being a psycho has done to her body by now.
What happened to respecting our elders?
Ick 
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skyscraper948
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Jun 16 @ 10:37AM
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hahahaha.... wow, rightwing... ummmm, i can't comment on that, but i do find that when i bring slavery in an abortion argument... the pro-choice people tend to get quiet. It's become entirely clear to me that their arguments are not based on any logical or rational thought. I find the whole issue very sad. Lefties/progressives (of which i am one) need to start being honest with themselves about abortion. It makes them look silly and cruel. Wake up people!
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RightWingRepublican
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Jun 16 @ 11:07AM
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Sky,
Well i have a high regard for you.
I don't care what the lefties want to do in general, but killing babies?
they can have their Socialism, but do they have to hurt others to get it?
you're one of the few i would consider to have decency.
Are you sure you don't want to come to the light side? More money...... lol
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skyscraper948
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Jun 16 @ 11:32AM
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hahahaha... socialism? see, thats where ur gonna lose me every-time. But i appreciate your comments nonetheless. take care.
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