i haven't been posting for very long in the forums here on MD. Only since the chat closed down. And i've noticed something... I've always wondered who all these people were who kept people like Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity on the air. And now that i have run into a few of them (and voiced disagreements with them), here is what I've noticed about them... they will NEVER admit when they are wrong.... no matter how silly and ridiculous they sound. Its really quite astounding.
So, as a public service to these users, i have decided to post two ways for them to know when they have lost an argument and should shut up because, well... its just embarrassing...
1. Personal Attacks...
When confronted with facts, people such as Ann Coulter for example, will tend to personally attack those who disagree... referring to them as "idiots" etc. Instead of actually responding to what is being said... it's the adult equivalent of a 6 year-old responding to a criticism by saying "Oh yea.... we'll you're ugly". Its lame... it's embarrassing. We're all adults here... i think. It baffles me why righties (and some lefties) have so much trouble with this. Weak arguments? Have some pride.... admit when the facts are not on your side.
2. Using your education, or people's lack thereof, as some sort of insulation against criticism....
I know alot of people who graduated from college... and some of them couldn't identify their own parents in a line up when they were kids or even have a functioning concept of High School level algebra... but they still graduated. Having graduated college does not make you an expert in constitutional law or foreign affairs... i dont care where you went to school. I know... i too am a college grad and freely admit i'm no expert. And even if i was, that shouldn't stop others who are not from taking part in the political process and voicing their opinion. That is not what America stands for... not my America anyway. So... NO ONE CARES WHERE YOU WENT TO SCHOOL OR IF YOU ARE A MENSA MEMBER (if thats even true). GET OVER YOURSELF!
Ok so, those are the two most annoying things i've run into so far... Hopefully things can be more civil in the future.
Have a good day ppl!
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kjac
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Jun 18 @ 2:00PM
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it's the adult equivalent of a 6 year-old responding to a criticism by saying "Oh yea.... we'll you're ugly".
Actually, they've done that too. Chelsea Clinton and Meghan McCain can attest to that. 
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Fender
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Jun 18 @ 2:12PM
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MENSA MEMBER
I used to have that on my profile...It was a blatant lie but hell it was sure funny when I'd come on here and make up words and spell wrong then have people write me to tell me what is a genius doing with such a horrible grasp of the english language.
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dizzydoll
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Jun 18 @ 2:21PM
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well some people just have a superiority complex and lack compassion, unfortunately they cannot help themselves... and knowing the law as you claim to, you will also know all jailbirds have the same problem
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skyscraper948
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Jun 18 @ 2:21PM
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Everyone has an IQ of 160 on the internet, fender... didnt you know?
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bardnsage
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Jun 18 @ 2:28PM
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Nice post,,,,
I submit however, that name calling may be a sign that a person has no further inteligent argument - no matter what side of the fence they are on - but it does not mean that you are right. Just that they have reached the limits of their ability, or patience.
School means nothing in a political arguement, only in an election. Just the same as,, school means nothing at work,,, only when you are appling for a job.
Now, education,,,, is a different story. But education can come from a vairety of sources, including schools, work experience, life experience, or even social observation (Bandura as an example.)
Hang out in the forums long,,, the political ones at that,,, and soon you will see just who is who, and where they stand. It takes about 2 posts. Then,,, read the threads for only about a page or two,,,, for after that,,, most seem to bog down into name calling and other such retoric.
Then, be prepared to be name called, insulted, and other stuff. Then, be ready for them to come to blog pages and post about how negative everyone is being,,, right after they call you names in the forums.
Just get a thick skin, good sense of humor,,,and don't have the expectation of ever changing anyone's mind.
Glad to have you on board. Good to have some new ideas in there,,,, even if they are wrong. 
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Wing_Zero_75
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Jun 18 @ 2:38PM
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I had written a blog about him and a couple other people that have to use name calling or screaming louder to prove they are right. I dont believe in degrading a person for their oppinions. Thats why the is the United States of America, not Cuba, not Russia, not Iran. The USA. Everyone has a right to voice their oppinions to blogs. If you put them up for everyone to see, they should be able to say what they want. There are people I absolutly disagree with, but they put thought and meaning into their arguments. I respect people like that. Or my favorite one is the comment "another high school graduate" If that person was as smart as he says he is, then why must he resort to childish tactics?
And as for IQ I am 161, the last time I was tested. so 
Even IQ is a flawed testing system, Understanding adapting and application is the true test of ones intelligence.
And thats my thoughts from Larry Land, the happiest place in my head 
Larry
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CHARLIgurl1
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Jun 18 @ 2:39PM
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I agree.
I knew a guy some years ago, who hated being proved wrong at any point. He loved to be right, and if he was proven wrong, he would result to personal attacks.. or.. say black was white just for the hell of not admitting he was wrong.
getting in to a freindly debate is a good thing, it gets your endorphines running and idrenaline, but I think the secret is to know something of what youre talking about. To enter in to any kind of debate when you dont know enough to substansiate your argument leaves you wide open for critisism and ridicule.
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Wing_Zero_75
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Jun 18 @ 2:48PM
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CHARLIgurl, I hate admiting when I am wrong, but I am never so arrogant not to. I read alot and do research projects for fun and because I like to be right. I have changed my views and oppinions when I have felt they are more valid than what I have come up with. I guess if your never wrong, then how do you know your right?
Larry
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CHARLIgurl1
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Jun 18 @ 3:20PM
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Yes Larry,
Your education and reading stands out a mile when I read your blogs and comments, which is why I'd never want to get in to a debate with you.. 
(lucky we're on the same side politically) 
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LipGlossQueen9
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Jun 18 @ 5:37PM
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OK it's not just conservatives that do this...
It is actually a popular thing to DO TO conservatives. A LOT of liberals think that we are less intelligent than they are. Since I've discovered my conservative views and written about them on Facebook I've had "friends" on there attack me for being an "ignorant hick", "uneducated", a "prude", "frigid", "uppity", a fan of Bush (apparently this is like the worst thing you can be called), having the wool pulled over my eyes by Fox News, racist, and everything else under the sun. I naturally rise up and get defensive of my views now in a debate because I am so ready to be attacked personally for them and expected to apologize for them. People are so quick to jump on my opinions and become personally offended by them and expect me to apologize and feel guilty. So it's not just the bad people on my side of the spectrum that do this. The left is guilty, too. In fact I have to say I'm seeing it more on the left because it's unpopular to be conservative now especially in my age group.
I've actually been told to "get some self-awareness" too. Which is funny because I've been told I'm one of the most self-aware people around, especially for my age.
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LipGlossQueen9
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Jun 18 @ 5:50PM
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The liberal version of Ann Coulter is the guy who runs the Daily Koz. When Tony Snow died, he posted a blog laughing at it.
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skyscraper948
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Jun 18 @ 5:50PM
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Very true lip gloss.. and i mentioned in my post that liberals do the same.... and its equally as idiotic.
Just my opinion, but conservatives, ive noticed, tend to do this more often. Just sayin, take it for what its worth.
Although, i honestly can't think of the liberal version of Ann Coulter... thats a tough one. She is absolutely foul.
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skyscraper948
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Jun 18 @ 5:52PM
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well, i do not read that blog. and if that is true... you got me. However, i would say he is less visible than ann coulter which is good.
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WouldntItBeGr8To
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Jun 18 @ 6:04PM
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Great blog Sky
I love this site, been here a long time and still hold out hope of finding true love 
I feel strongly that politics is something that can be worked around in a relationship, if two people agree on EVERYTHING that would make it pretty boring, relationships involve agreeing to disagree
The Blog section in here is such a great way to get to know about someone, find common interests, share life experiences, all sorts of things.
Politics can be a VERY touchy subject and is way low on my list of things I want to find out about a potential mate 
Why on earth would I want to find out about political differences BEFORE I find out if this is someone I could fall in love with 
MD is set up with the Forums where this stuff can be discussed. Top of the page here...it out folks, scroll down to Politics & Current Events. There are 3,803 "Threads" which are topics.......155,571 "Posts" which are comments by members.
It is a great place to discuss politics, I say leave the Blog section for finding love    
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ElmerFudd445
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Jun 18 @ 7:20PM
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Great Blog!
And I agree with you all the way..
But ya gotta remember.. some are here having fun blatantly pushing our buttons. After time, the insults and obvious over the top post's become boring . 
The post no longer become a discussion. it's become a high school debate.. 
I'm not here for an aggressive debate. I'm here for the fun of it. Not the competition 
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kjac
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Jun 18 @ 8:52PM
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As for MD itself, there was never a liberal version as foul as the iam/vinny profile. But he wasn't a good example for any human being, liberal or conservative.
But above all, this is the internet. Better than 90% of what people here say about themselves is complete bull, 80% of what they think they know is complete bull, and 50% of the people spitting their words are just regurgitating something they saw on television.
Every word you see on your monitor is suspect. And btw, Mensa isn't big enough to hold all the people who claim to be part of it.
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RightWingRepublican
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Jun 19 @ 9:08AM
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Is it still ok for me to push people into the dirt when i get annoyed?
Ive been doing it ever since 3rd grade and i don't think i can stop.
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kjac
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Jun 19 @ 9:15AM
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Just be careful for the ones who push back RWR.
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Xanadath
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Jun 19 @ 1:40PM
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I've always wondered who all these people were who kept people like Glenn Beach and Sean Hannity on the air.
I have a biography of Rupert Murdoch, the man behind Fox News and a number of other media affiliates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch
I haven't started reading it, but the documentary Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism started my curiousity going. I'll leave it by the toilet for periodic reading. Hopefully, it won't prove to be a poetic gesture.
Good blog, btw.
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PeacefulGuy
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Jun 19 @ 10:17PM
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Hey dude aren't you the guy that goes around stating old english laws .. I think you are..
Heres one that might float your boat about natural born citizenship..The following was published in 1758.
ยง 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
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Herodotus
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Jun 19 @ 10:40PM
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Now being a stickler for the rules myself and a straight down the line, kind of person, I always keep in mind, the MD nine commandments (why not ten?).
Though shalt not broadcast! It says.
Yet every time, they post, one of their provactive, ill informed, irrational and unsubstantiated claims, then have the gall to question the intelligence or education of those who would challenge them, there is a broadcast that comes through loud and clear
They are the cause of their own isolation.It comes through loud and clear every time..
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skyscraper948
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Jun 20 @ 11:09AM
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Hey dude aren't you the guy that goes around stating old english laws .. I think you are..
Heres one that might float your boat about natural born citizenship..The following was published in 1758.
hahaha... yes im the dude... although i only did it once and it wasnt "english laws" per se... it was a supreme court case that quoted english COMMON law to show that the children of chinese immigrants born in US territories were in fact "natural born citizens". Because the constitution does not define who a "natural born citizen" is. Not sure what this has to do with my post but ok.
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musicianfriend
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Jun 29 @ 9:58AM
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Two ways to know if a Liberal is loosing a political debate....
His either typing...or his lips are moving!
Funny thing that you mention Education and Personal attacks..because thats my exact same complaint about the Liberals...
See..we do have something in common...
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Valjean
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Jun 29 @ 10:50AM
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Actually, they've done that too. Chelsea Clinton and Meghan McCain can attest to that.
I saw Meghan McCain on Real Time with Bill Maher.
It was quite painfull to watch.
Brave of her to be on the show, but it didn't seem like she expected people to disagree with her.
You really shouldn't put yourself out there if you are too sensitive.
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HopelesslyHopeful
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Jul 2 @ 1:03AM
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I agree with the last bit, about education.
Some people assume I am far more educated than they, and get in a tizzy over that. Others assume, or know, that I am much less educated than they, and get in a tizzy over that.
Education only helps if it is interesting to you, and if you have the mental capacity to retain it. I learned as much about black widow spiders from an Alice Cooper song than the most studious person in the same science class, once; and I wrote a better report.
I didn't even try.
And, many Mensa members can't get their shite together enough to stop pissing their pants and hold down a real job, which is why they are homeless. Being intelligent, doesn't mean socially acceptable or that you aren't crap-butt crazy!
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