jcarolina
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Jun 19 @ 8:05AM
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The media is owned by the government, and it's always been liberal.
People have not the slightest clue as to who the "powers that be" truly are.
Actual knowledge and education ceased about the same time television became a household name.
And Obama isn't black, he's a part time white man as well.
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IamTrinity
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Jun 19 @ 8:35AM
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I believe it was an act of treason against this country, the constitution, and the people, by the DNC, the Supreme court, and Obama to allow this man to be 'elected' . I expect it out of the DNC, and Obama, but am disapointed that the Supreme Court with a majority of conservative judges, chose not to hear the cases against him out of fear of the repercussions should they rule against him.
I watched as Obama raised his right hand and swore to uphold and defend the constitution. That was an act of treason in and of itself because the mere fact that he was standing there being sworn in as president was itself a violation of the constitution he was swearing to uphold and defend. He is not nor can he be a constitutional president of this country and I refuse to recognize him as such.
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lovestobake
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Jun 19 @ 9:40AM
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As Judge Judy says, if it doesn't make sense it is not true. Not taking sides, but; what is right is right & that is it.
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skyscraper948
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Jun 19 @ 9:43AM
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did you copy and paste? lol.
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donato
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Jun 19 @ 10:11AM
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People make things much more complicated then they really are.In my humble opinion the dumbing down of America has been one of purpose..To grab and hold power for a very select elitist group ..A group who have been in the background of our Democracy for many decades....They only needed the right Front Man !
This seems to be their time..A time in history that a man with such questionable background and so little experience could grab the power of the Presidency...Unbelievable !
For me the only answer is education and independent personal research..Because with the vote of the people goes a very serious responability and a big problem for America 
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skyscraper948
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Jun 19 @ 10:14AM
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The Associated Press, The Honolulu Advertiser, the director of Hawaii’s Department of Health and the registrar of statistics all have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate. The cases were dismissed for lack of standing.... end of story... oh, but not to supreme. good lord... Its amazing no one asked for John McCain to prove he is a natural born citizen despite being born in Panama. Hmmmmmmmm... Could it be because he is a liberal with a funny sounding foreign name... ohhhhhhh... scary.
I'm tellin ya man... you need to read... and im not talking about the talking points coming out of the republican national committee.
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Fr8rain
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Jun 19 @ 10:43AM
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McCain hasn't had his records sealed. They're open and have been open for public inspection. His citizenship hasn't been questioned. Obama's has and for good reason. And I agree it's treason. He should be tossed out of the presidency and this country. There's is civil unrest every day, would be a complete revolution but that's what this country needs in order to straighten out the mess it's in.
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donato
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Jun 19 @ 10:55AM
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Right on Rain .....Short and sweet 
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skyscraper948
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Jun 19 @ 10:55AM
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sorry Fr8rain, incorrect.. Obama's birth records are not "sealed". State law doesnt allow the release certified birth certificates to "persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.” Its not a giant conspiracy ppl... Obama records are protected just like yours... no one can walk into an office of vital statistics and get a certified copy of someone else's birth certificate.
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adonair
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Jun 19 @ 11:02AM
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I believe it was an act of treason against this country, the constitution, and the people, by the DNC, the Supreme court, and Obama to allow this man to be 'elected' . I expect it out of the DNC, and Obama, but am disapointed that the Supreme Court with a majority of conservative judges, chose not to hear the cases against him out of fear of the repercussions should they rule against him.
I watched as Obama raised his right hand and swore to uphold and defend the constitution. That was an act of treason in and of itself because the mere fact that he was standing there being sworn in as president was itself a violation of the constitution he was swearing to uphold and defend. He is not nor can he be a constitutional president of this country and I refuse to recognize him as such.
Amen to every word. This is what every American of any color should be thinking. I still don't understand why it's important enough to elect a black man that folks would overlook so many critical, and a lot of Un-American traits about this one man. There are a lot of truly qualified 100% American black men who would easily qualify for this position. WHY THIS ONE?
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imlost2
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Jun 19 @ 11:04AM
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John McCain and any other President had no problem turning over records if they had them, this is the first President that has had records "sealed" and refused to turn them over and has had court orders to release them and refused. That should set up "red" flags for anyone. Do we have "stupid" written across our foreheads or what? Apparently Obama thinks voters do. When he went to "visit" his grandmother he took five lawyers with him to Hawaii just to "seal" the deal before the election to make sure no information would get out, apparently it worked. The judge in Hawaii, sealed all records, where they remain today, so ya trust that judge to verify everything, heck ya. Lost
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skyscraper948
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Jun 19 @ 11:15AM
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wow... its hard to believe you guys are serious. 
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 19 @ 11:50AM
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The Associated Press, The Honolulu Advertiser, the director of Hawaii’s Department of Health and the registrar of statistics all have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate
Anyone can get a Birth Certificate. Look at the laws of Hawaii during that period on what was required to obtain a birth certificate that's why they want to see the Certificate of Live Birth. The Associated Press and The Honolulu Advertiser 
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skyscraper948
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Jun 19 @ 12:01PM
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no supreme... "certified" birth certificate... surely an ivy leaguer such as your self knows the difference.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 19 @ 12:07PM
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Its amazing no one asked for John McCain to prove he is a natural born citizen despite being born in Panama
As you should know that's not true because that is exactly what started this mess for Barack Obama. If I'm not mistaken a Senate resolution was passed recognizing his " natural born" status and a district judge in an ruling eluded to his natural born probability. Considering the 2 above, what is Barack Obamas track record of proof?. If you placed the 2 cases side by side in a court of law who would most likely be the victor.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 19 @ 12:21PM
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Skycrapper,
Typical liberal. Combing through everyone elses material beause you have no material of your own. Are you going to post anything of relevance ever? or are you going to continue with your comments that are a mirror of your life, simply taking up space.
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CHARLIgurl1
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Jun 19 @ 12:36PM
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Well as the Supreme courts dont think that anyone has a standing to challenge Obama on his birth certificate, electing him to the most powerful nation on earth.. Ive decided something.
I'm going to run for Presidency!!.. Yeah I was born in England.. but Ill seal my records and if you try and make me release it I'll refuse on privacy grounds!!
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skyscraper948
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Jun 19 @ 12:53PM
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HAHAHA... once again.. no response from the ivy leaguer... This is great, thanks for the laugh.
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Mustage
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Jun 19 @ 12:53PM
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Don't sweat the small stuff!!!!!!!!!!! Soon we will be part of China...with OBAR's help!!!! sooooooooooo break out your chop stick's!!!!!!!!!!!
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imlost2
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Jun 19 @ 12:53PM
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I went online paid $12 and got a copy of my son's birth certificate and marriage license, go read the regulations. A relative can get certified copies and can go into any court house with a valid ID also, I've done it tons of times for my kids. Why he seals them is just plain hiding something and stupid on his part. Not to mention he sealed his college records, what's the point of doing that? You tell me. Lost
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Mustage
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Jun 19 @ 12:55PM
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Just one other thing Skyscraper...has his head in the clouds!!! or is that..never mind~~
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skyscraper948
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Jun 19 @ 1:05PM
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Imlost.... key word in your statement... "my son's"... you, being your son's parent has "a tangible interest in the vital record.” You can only receive a copy of an unrelated person if the person is deceased... and it is not a certified copy... come on ppl. Do some reading. Dont listen to this jackass. Good lord.
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Xanadath
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Jun 19 @ 1:30PM
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Dont listen to this jackass.
I'd agree, Skyscraper... but he does have a passion of his view and gives some food for thought, even if it resembles pickle brine.
At least there is merit in getting the ball rolling in thinking for oneself. A public service of sorts.
I don't swallow the whole right-wing message board... I hardly nibble at it, but enough to keep tabs on what some are saying. Some people simply regurgitate like so many mother birds to the nests the messages... memes... party line responses... and fail to read and think for themselves.
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imlost2
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Jun 19 @ 2:26PM
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You are wrong, the copies I received are certified, we had to get them because he lost his social security card and needed a new one, they only allow certified copies, check for yourself, just go online, check out the website. I also walked right up to the Racine Courthouse while I was there, picked up a certified copy of his marriage license "without" him there. I had no problem doing it either. You may Call Racine Wisc and ask them if parents are allowed to pick up certified copies as long as they carry proper identification, and they will tell you the same thing I am telling you, just check for yourself. Jeeeez, this isn't rocket science. Make the call, verify and stop guessing. Lost
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skyscraper948
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Jun 19 @ 3:55PM
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oh geez... imlost... i think you misunderstood what i wrote... yes, you could get your son's certified birth certificate... because he is your son... try to get mine though... you cant do it... understand?
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 19 @ 6:47PM
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certified" birth certificate
Certificate of Live Birth
Doctors, witnesses to the birth, vital, weight and so on.
You know there skycrapper you should of saved that money from those tattoos for a better eduation. Let this be a lesson to all you kids out their, stay in school.
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Herodotus
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Jun 19 @ 10:25PM
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Lets talk about the Bush Government shall we instead of agonising over a birth certificate.
Seems to me some on here like to cherry pick which rights they feel people should have.
Bush never agonised about breaking international law but then of course the hair shirt wearers here were nowhere to be seen or heard.
Still cleaning up the mess of the eight year long party. They certainly know how to trash a place.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 19 @ 10:58PM
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international law
How many democracies has international law created?. How many lives have been saved by " international law". Michael Jackson sold 780,000 concert tickets in 4 hours for his European tour. There is your international law and international opinion at work.
The international community hates us for waterboading 3 admitted terroist but loves a child molester.
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IamTrinity
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Jun 20 @ 1:31AM
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Lets talk about the Bush Government shall we instead of agonising over a birth certificate.
Bush has nothing to do with the topic. He is no longer the president of this country, even though I guess the Liberals can't wrap their tiny brains around that fact yet.
You are beating a dead elephant, I am beating a live jackass.
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SweetNapaGuy
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Jun 20 @ 2:20AM
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The saddest thing is, it wouldn't matter if Obama marched every single "birther" down to the Hawaii government records and showed them his birth certificate. Already, the "birthers" have decided that the Shadow Government has been using the time to "fake" a birth certificate.
So Obama is "damned if he does, damned if he doesn't." Any proof he provides is simply one more bit of "faked" documents. Any court cases lost by the "birthers" is just more evidence of how widespread the conspiracy is.
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. No matter what happens, it all plays into the paranoid delusions of the "birthers."
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 20 @ 3:56AM
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SweetNapa,
You have to understand law, how our courts work and the language. Example if you sue with alleagtions 1-10 and you don't get a response to the " allegations" those allegations in most all cases would be considered to be true. The DNC nor Barack Obama refuted the allegations why?, because if they were to deny them it becomes a matter of trial and fact.
In an effort to prevent a descision by the court on each account what did they do?. The DNC and Brack Obama submited that the petitioner(s) had no standing. The court, the petitioner(s) allegations maybe true, the petitioner(s) had no injury in fact.
What is injury in fact? The petitioner(s) suffered no injury to a private right. In short the court ruled that the unconstitutionality of Barack Obama was not a violation of the petitioner(s) private rights hence, the petitioner(s) had no standing to bring the suit.
What's sad is that you have a Presidential candidate at the time preaching change to the American people while insinuating that the people have no standing.
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imlost2
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Jun 20 @ 9:54AM
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Ya Supreme, lets hope he doesn't loose his Certified Birth Certificate, he might need to have his mommy explain to him and take him down there to get it replaced, geeez. I mean what do the children and babies do, have someone hold their hands to fill out the paperwork? Any parent, guardian, or relative can get a 'Certified Proof Of Birth" and it's original. Gosh what don't you get here, Ya, he needs to stay in school. An no one Seals the records unless they have something to hide. Duhhhhhhhh. Lost
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skyscraper948
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Jun 20 @ 10:56AM
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You have to understand law, how our courts work and the language. Example if you sue with alleagtions 1-10 and you don't get a response to the " allegations" those allegations in most all cases would be considered to be true. The DNC nor Barack Obama refuted the allegations why?, because if they were to deny them it becomes a matter of trial and fact.
In an effort to prevent a descision by the court on each account what did they do?. The DNC and Brack Obama submited that the petitioner(s) had no standing. The court, the petitioner(s) allegations maybe true, the petitioner(s) had no injury in fact.
supreme... once again you lack of understanding of the law shines through. Why would anyone refute allegations to a plaintiff that had no standing and could prove no injury... hahahahahaha... oh my goodness. if you want to be stupid for the rest of your life thats your business. I just wish you'd stop infecting the MD blogs with this nonsense.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 20 @ 11:14AM
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Why would anyone refute allegations to a plaintiff that had no standing and could prove no injury
Again you miss the point. The course of defense is the rght one as I said in the blog. Because you succesfully defend a murderer doesn't mean he/she didn't commit the crime. You starting to get the picture?.
This man is a Presidential candidate that has taken a course of defense though maybe correct from an attorney/client position but if the allegations were unfounded wouldn't be in the best interest of the client to simply turnover the documents if he had nothing to hide?.
Why continue a course of defense that makes you look guilty has hell if your not guilty?. This is a Presiential candidate to which the court of public opinion means evertything.
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imlost2
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Jun 20 @ 11:25AM
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I agree with Supreme, can anyone, I mean Anyone, answer that question, Why not just turn over the records???? I mean all the records, his college, where he got the money to go to college, and all his birth records??? Why seal them. If anyone has a good argument of why he needs to keep them sealed, I will stop this argument. Tell me, why keep them sealed, give us a good argument for that, He's the President and we should be privy to all his credentials, we pay his paycheck and should do a thorough background on him, and he's not allowed it. So, give us a good answer. Take care Lost
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skyscraper948
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Jun 20 @ 11:25AM
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Again you miss the point. The course of defense is the rght one as I said in the blog. Because you succesfully defend a murderer doesn't mean he/she didn't commit the crime. You starting to get the picture?.
no, because what is the first thing any attorney does when his client is hit with a lawsuit of any kind is file a motion to dismiss for lack of standing or injury... I dont get it.. this is standard. surely someone who passed the bar would know that. geez
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skyscraper948
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Jun 20 @ 11:50AM
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I agree with Supreme, can anyone, I mean Anyone, answer that question, Why not just turn over the records???? I mean all the records, his college, where he got the money to go to college, and all his birth records??? ummmm, i can answer that... the case didnt get that far. it was thrown out before it got to discovery. sooooooo... no reason to turn over any "records". This is the way the court system works... what can i say?
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skyscraper948
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Jun 20 @ 11:54AM
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Tell me, why keep them sealed, give us a good argument for that, He's the President and we should be privy to all his credentials, we pay his paycheck and should do a thorough background on him, and he's not allowed it. So, give us a good answer.
ok, i thought i did but here goes.... 1.) his records are not "sealed". They are protected from unauthorized persons just like you and me. 2.) I believe he has. and 3.) His certificate of live birth has been personally verified by the department of health and several new organizations... what else do you want from the man? do you want him to so up on your doorstep with a certified copy for you to inspect? I mean really. Let's move on to the more important business of the nation.. like indicting George W. Bush and Dick Cheney for war crimes. lol.. i'm kidding.. well, sort of.
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imlost2
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Jun 20 @ 12:04PM
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That's just stupid, who is gonna use his birth certificate and gonna try to pass themselves off as Obama, haha who would wanna be him? Unauthorized use? Bull, that's why there are court orders to have them unsealed? Ya just a bunch of bogus court orders out there, along with sealed college records etc. You can go online and even find the file numbers and everything, many still pending. No other President had to go thru this :"unauthorized use" business, so why does he? Why does he have court orders to keep them private. you haven't given me any answers why he's any different from any other President. He's the first President to do this. Why not just hand them over like every other President has done in the past? They didn't seem to worry about Unauthorized use, give me a break. Like anyone doesn't know who Obama is and who would try to use his birth records haha, this one is too funny, I really had a good laugh today, thanks. Lost
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 20 @ 12:37PM
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They are protected from unauthorized persons just like you and me. 2.) I believe he has. and 3.) His certificate of live birth has been personally verified by the department of health and several new organizations... what else do you want from the man? do you want him to so up on your doorstep with a certified copy for you to inspect? I mean really. Let's move on to the more important business of the nation.. like indicting George W. Bush and Dick Cheney for war crimes. lol.. i'm kidding.. well, sort of.
He has no Certficate of live birth. " The state health director said yesterday she has personally seen and verified Sen. Barack Obama's original birth certificate in an effort to address numerous requests for the document ".
If nobody has any standing who would be authorized to view and verify the documents?. I want you to look up when the law regarding obtaining birth records changed in Hawaii?. The plot thickens.
Look at it this way. Presdeint Obama's defense of " no standing " was only successful because the media failed to bring all the cases to the public's attention. If the public in mass was made aware of the cases as a politcal figure President Obama would have been put in a position to exhonerate himself by producing the documents or he wouldn't have become the 44th President.
Let's say what your saying is true above for a moment. Why his school records also?. No government official, court nor media has confirmed the existence of President Obamas Certificate of Live Birth.
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CHARLIgurl1
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Jun 20 @ 1:22PM
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I can see you three are doing well in this blog, but I'd like to interseed if I may.
Here are some facts about Obama and his birth controvacy.
1) He has refused to show his original birth certificate, showing only on his website a so say digital copy. This is not the original as the original would have been hand written or typed back then with foot prints of the baby.
2) A reporter telephoned all of the hospitals in Hawaii, none of them have any record of Obama's birth OR his mother ever being there.
In her report she encouraged people to call the hospitals themselves to prove this point. They cannot give you information on the person, but they can tell you if they were ever admitted or born there.
3) Obama has sealed all his records from birth to Harvard, anything that holds ANY information about himself, his birth or even groups he may have been involved in. Surely a person only does this when one has something to hide?
4) In an interview, his grandmother said she witnessed the birth of Obama, and his mother flew to Hawaii 3 days later.
5) Obama's mother married Sotoro and went to live in Indonesia where Obama was educated in an islamic school. For Obama to have been educated there, he would have had to have been adopted by his father thus making him now a citezen of Indonesia in accordance with British law who had soverienty over Indonesia, this has nothing to do with US law as someone previously mentioned, this is a British law which claims any adopted person to a British nation becomes automatically British citezen..
6) In the early 80's Obama travelled to Pakistan. Pakistan was not allowing US citezens in thier country at that time, so he would have used an Indonesian passport which backs up the previous fact.
As for the Standing in the Supreme court, Evidence along with affidavits from people who say they have either witnessed or can confirm Obama's birth was offered to the court.. Thier decision of No standing did not mean they had no proof or even that they didnt have a case, it merely meant that through a loop hole they could dismiss it on these grounds of no right to file suit.
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skyscraper948
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Jun 20 @ 1:49PM
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That's just stupid, who is gonna use his birth certificate and gonna try to pass themselves off as Obama, haha who would wanna be him? Unauthorized use? Bull, that's why there are court orders to have them unsealed?
Once again... i believe i explained this... whether you think it is stupid or not, its not about someone stealing obama's identity. Its state law. And everyone is entitled to equal protection under the law including you obama, supreme, you and me. and besides, thats not what i said at all... obviously thats ridiculous. I said that his records are not "sealed" by a court or anyone else for that matter. And there were no court orders for him to produce them, because the court cases did not go that far...
As for the digital copy produced by obama. I not a forensic document analyst and neither are you. But his records have been authentic by many people, whom ive already mentioned.
3) Obama has sealed all his records from birth to Harvard, anything that holds ANY information about himself, his birth or even groups he may have been involved in. Surely a person only does this when one has something to hide?
Obama cannot seal his birth records. He has no authority to do such a thing... and it never happened... you guys give Obama way too much credit.
Have a good weekend.
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CHARLIgurl1
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Jun 20 @ 2:09PM
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Obama cannot seal his birth records
Really?
I wonder who requested this?
>>click to read<<
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skyscraper948
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Jun 20 @ 2:22PM
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Really?
I wonder who requested this?
>>click to read<<
haha.. i'm sorry, WorldNet Daily??? Am i supposed to take this post serious?
Ok... i'll play along... If you read closely it says "It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks".
That is not "sealing" the records. That denying them to an unauthorized person. Like i've been saying all along. A classic example of a misleading article from a conservative source.
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adonair
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Jun 20 @ 3:31PM
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I will say one thing, skyscraper is putting up a good fight. He knows he's lost the battle and is well on his way to losing the war. He's trying so hard to convince us of something so 'out there' that he's starting to look foolish. Skyscraper may be a very smart man but he lacks the most important smart...street...AKA common sense. If Obama's innocent, has nothing to hide, why go to such lengths to make sure no one knows anything about his past? I didn't graduate from rocket science school either but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck......... 
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PeacefulGuy
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Jun 20 @ 6:51PM
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This is what Congress says about citizenship.. Actually they call the issue birthright citizenship..
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/judiciary/hju23690.000/hju23690_0.HTM
The only reasons I can see for someone not wanting people to see their records is that they have something to hide... I Obama's orginal birth records must disclose something he doesn't want public... And i'm thinking it's the words FATHER UNKNOWN..
and not Father -- African on it..
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SweetNapaGuy
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Jun 20 @ 7:18PM
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Sorry, but considering that the so-called conspiracy has passed the ten-thousand member mark, at a certain point one has to accept that it's gone beyond absurd. How many people have to be "implicated" as being a part of the conspiracy before the "birthers" start to think... and realize that when you're talking about a couple hundred thousand conspirators, it's time to consider either medication, or emigration...
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PeacefulGuy
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Jun 20 @ 8:12PM
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Oh there is a pretty easy fix to this birth records issues.... Push your state trps to pass a law that declares anyone running for the office of President that wants his or her name on your states Presidential ballot... Must provide all legal documents..including birth records, school records and any criminal ones..
If they don't provide such records then there names are to be excluded from the states Presidential election ballots..
So if Obama wants to have his name on the next Presidential election he must provide all such documents or be excluded from the ballot..
States have the say on how there elections are to be held and they set the rules for the state elections...
Push to have your state pass a bill demanding such action then maybe just maybe we won't have these birth record issues pop up again.. If you don't provide the document your name just won't be on the states ballots..Enuff said..
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 20 @ 8:28PM
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Obama cannot seal his birth records. He has no authority to do such a thing... and it never happened... you guys give Obama way too much credit.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 20 @ 8:30PM
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That is not "sealing" the records. That denying them to an unauthorized person
These records don't exist anymore. If they did someone by now would have gotten their hands on them.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 20 @ 8:45PM
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How many people have to be "implicated"
How many would it take?, not many at all. A handful. This is not something that happened in a short period of time. You don't think Barack Obama and his camp thought about this becoming an issue years ago?.
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Mission_Impossible139
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Jun 20 @ 9:41PM
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Hey El Supremo, you are really off your rocker. No one cares. You may think of yourself as "higher" than everyone else but to me, you seem a bit obsessive compulsive with your drive to prove something that is like determining whether third base is out of square by 1/4 of an inch.
It would be much better to express yourself by expounding on ideas that will change minds rather than incite the ignorant and other sheep who follow the dogma of FOX news (Fox news being an oxymoron). How about some comprehensive ideas that will make a difference? Something with substance? You prey on hatred and the discontent of the aged balding white guy. Let's hear something that could actually make someone think?
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 20 @ 11:28PM
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Hey El Supremo, you are really off your rocker. No one cares. You may think of yourself as "higher" than everyone else but to me, you seem a bit obsessive compulsive with your drive to prove something that is like determining whether third base is out of square by 1/4 of an inch.
It would be much better to express yourself by expounding on ideas that will change minds rather than incite the ignorant and other sheep who follow the dogma of FOX news (Fox news being an oxymoron). How about some comprehensive ideas that will make a difference? Something with substance? You prey on hatred and the discontent of the aged balding white guy. Let's hear something that could actually make someone think?
Yeah, yeah,yeah, bla, bla, bla. Same old from the liberals. I watched Fox News maybe 6 times my entire life.
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RightWingRepublican
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Jun 21 @ 1:37AM
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hey buddy.
Just tell the moonbats to eat shit. 
Dancing banana is more interesting than those idiots. 
Dancing banana has more intelligent things to say than they do.
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PeacefulGuy
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Jun 21 @ 11:13AM
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In proving Obamas birth place I think they go about it wrong way..They shouldn't be looking at Obama's records..They should be looking at his mothers and fathers..
Searching through visa and passport records... It would be kind of hard to explain a stamp put on a passport for entry into a country on such a such date and another for re-entry back to the states after the so called birth date... His mother had to leave and re-entry so those records are hidden somehwhere around in the government documents.. That is the place to look...
If Obamas mommy left the US soil on such a date before his birth...And did not return until after.. You can't be at two countries at the same time.. Case closed..
Just a thought.. 
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imlost2
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Jun 21 @ 12:28PM
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The problem is Peaceful, people don't want to know the truth, they wanted Bush out so badly and didn't care who got in as long as it was a Democrat. They didn't care about credentials or background because no one knew about Obama when he was elected. They didn't even care about his character being with Reverand Wright or Ayers. He's been given a pass on everything. Being a Democrat is all he needed. Even his choices of spending us into bankruptcy is ok, selling us out to unions or any other choices is fine. He's getting a pass totally. He's selling us out, and people are saying it's fine, I just wonder how long this will last. Lost
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 21 @ 12:30PM
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In proving Obamas birth place I think they go about it wrong way..They shouldn't be looking at Obama's records..They should be looking at his mothers and fathers..
Searching through visa and passport records... It would be kind of hard to explain a stamp put on a passport for entry into a country on such a such date and another for re-entry back to the states after the so called birth date... His mother had to leave and re-entry so those records are hidden somehwhere around in the government documents.. That is the place to look...
Don't think for a moment that people haven't tried. That's what so interesting. Everything regarding Barack Obama is gone, not available and so on.
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skyscraper948
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Jun 21 @ 1:12PM
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If Obama's innocent, has nothing to hide, why go to such lengths to make sure no one knows anything about his past? I didn't graduate from rocket science school either but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck
Im sorry, but i dont get how exactly hes gone to such lengths to hide this information. Would you like him to show up on your doorstep with a certified copy for you to look at?? He has not lifted a finger to hide anything.
watch this.... supreme, mail me a certified copy of your birth certificate. NO? Why not? Do you have something to hide? hahaha.
This conversation is stupid. Obama provided a copy, it wasnt good enough. News organizations and the hawaiian dept. of health verified the records, not good enough. What do you want????
Im much more interested in George W. Bushs military records (or lack thereof). But you know what... I dont need to see those records to know he was a coward. Get it?? Lets move on.
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CHARLIgurl1
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Jun 21 @ 2:33PM
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In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were three different birth certificates that were obtainable:
a. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
b. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or mid wife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, an adult could, upon testimony, file a “Delayed Certificate”, which required endorsement on the Delayed Certificate of a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing, which evidence must be kept in a special permanent file. The statute provided that the probative value of the Delayed Certificate must be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. (See Section 57-18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
c. If a child born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult including the subject person) if the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fourth kind of birth certificate for children born outside of the Territory or State of Hawaii. HRS Chapter 338 was amended to add a new section authorizing the Director of the Department of Health to issue a birth certificate for a person NOT born in Hawaii either as a Territory or State, upon sufficient proof that the legal parents of such individual had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth of such child.
. The language of the statute clearly applies to births in the days of the Territory of Hawaii, so also births in 1961.
A press release concerning numerous questions raised across the country as to whether or not Obama was a natural born citizen was issued on October 31, 2008 by the Hawaii Department of Health by its Director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino.
In that very carefully worded press release, Dr. Fukino said that she had “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Seen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
. That statement failed to resolve any of the questions being raised by litigation across the country over the issue of Obama’s birth and qualifications for the office of the President of the United States, including:
The specific type of certificate was not identified. Leaving it wide open for speculation.
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Fr8rain
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Jun 21 @ 3:09PM
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Sealed, unsealed it doesn't really matter. What matters is that he's under a cloud of suspicion (rightfully so) and he doesn't seem too concerned about clearing it up. Which leads one to believe that YES, he does have something to hide.
Way back before he was elected his grandmother said he was born in Kenya. Now why would she make that up? And as said before, even if he was born in Hawaii, he renounced his US citizenship when he went to school in Indonesia. I don't think that citizenship is a coat you can take off and on when it suits you.
In order for the lawsuits to suceed, they're going to have to claim injury. And in all honesty I think he's injured what little integrity the presidential office still has.
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imlost2
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Jun 21 @ 3:19PM
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Exactly Charli, and why do we have to take this Dr's word for anything, just submit the records to the public like any other President has to? What's with all this verification crap? And what's with copies, court orders, and petitions? Obama, just submit the certified documents to the public like every other President has to, like every other candidate that has run for President, and we will be happy. But nooooooo, he's hiding something and we all know it. There's no taking the documents to anyone's doorstep, just submit them to the courts like is asked, he hasn't complied, the documents he submitted were not complete or correct, that is what the problem is and this needs clarification, until this happens, I nor many thousands of Americans that didn't vote for him will ever believe he should be President. Lost
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 21 @ 4:06PM
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Would you like him to show up on your doorstep with a certified copy for you to look at
Aparently he showed up on your doorstep
If he provided the records then they would be of public record correct. No need to spend $800,000.00 in attorney fee's with the " no standing " defense. You can spend a week skycrapper trying to look at this in another light but it is what it is.
If he supplied the proper documents why not simply issue a ruling to that effect?
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 21 @ 4:15PM
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Why didn't one single court just say the guy is a " natural born citizen " and be done with it?. I mean how many lawsuits need to be filed until the rational thing to do is simply prove yourself. I'll tell you one thing. If the media would have reported on this like they should have we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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PeacefulGuy
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Jun 21 @ 6:52PM
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All I say is the birth record Issue can be solved by next election if every state in the US passes a law requiring that all candidates running for the office of President must provide there state with certified legal prove that they are a US natural born citizen..also provide all school and military records... IF NOT THE PERSONS NAME IS EXCLUDED FROM THE STATES BALLOTS..
Push the bill through state congress...and we won't have this problem again.. You either provide the documents or you name is not on the states ballot..Simple as that..
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PeacefulGuy
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Jun 21 @ 7:07PM
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Obamas birth records state...FATHER --- UNKNOWN and not father African..
The records can be gotten at..You just need a slick enough legal mind.. I mean like checking someone elses birth records that were born around the same time as Obama..They wil be on the same microflim... One can't help up stroll down a name or two and stumble on Obamas records... If they are there..
Hey only an idea..
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observed50
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Jun 21 @ 9:07PM
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If the media would have reported on this like they should have we wouldn't be having this conversation.
When people fear another...there is no limit to which people will go to insure the boogieman carries their fears. No matter what the media would have said short of agreeing with the fear-mongerers that a boogieman was running for president...nothing would have sufficed this group.
You know very well SB, that if the press had done their job AS YOU DEFINE IT you would have had them dig up everything and anything to try to find a way to disqualify that person who for whatever reason, you detest, you fear, and you did not want to win...even after he did.
If you guys used the rules of evidence and logic like they're taught...this would have been dead for you a long time ago. But you use your own logics, filled with one invalid method after another. No matter how one lifts those invalid arguments and methods for you...the boogieman continues to thrive and snarl beneath your beds.
For some reason, you and your sub-herd on here believe that laws should be set aside for you guys to have your disbeliefs and fear assuaged. Somehow...for some reason...you guys think this is all about you. Not the country. You.
No one on here asked any of the sub-herd to have such significant problems with compulsive dead-horse beating in this witch hunt. The nation that elected this person, couldn't care less about this dead horse, and the majority long ago left boogiemen as dust bunnies beneath their beds. Couldn't care less about your fears of his being a Muslim, couldn't care less about fears he is Indonesian...couldn't care less with any of this minutiea on which this sub-herd is fixated.
Fear...by its very nature, is self-absorbing. Psychological fear, over things made real in the mind, not in the world, absorb the attention of the fearful mind like quicksand. Read back through these posts defending your personal needs to see private records that none of us have to produce for any set of clowns who come seemingly packed in their little red fire engines and just keep piling out, and listen to the immense self-absorption in your personal fears, anger and frustrations with change...change of whatever kind that is not your choice.
"THE WORLD SHOULD ANSWER TO ME!!!! "
Look at how many witch hunters you've pulled out of the woodwork who believe because somebody doesn't do what the witch-hunters demand, then that 'somebody' is by nature, while lacking fulfillment of the witchers' self-absorbed demands, that somebody is obviously a witch. And the witch, by their very lack of proving to us their innocence and non-witch-ness, and by their lack of cooperating with the witch hunt, not agreeing to be dunked in human bile to see if they drown...they must be a witch because they won't prove they are not!
For the mind, regardless of fear...there is never proof of the negative. It is impossible because the negative is an infinite set of Yosemite Sam demands that Bugs, that varmint, cross that line....No matter how many times it's crossed...the line just keeps getting redrawn. Fear is non-rational, and there is no evidence to prove it wrong. Only the change of the desire of the one holding the fear, to be not afraid, can unlink the fear.
In the 21st century after 10,000 years of human history, we are still hunting witches, boogiemen and goblins...all because we are so afraid of one another. We don't really give a dayum or a rat's ass about laws in the US...as evidenced by sub-herds' support of torture. If I am afraid...god dayum it...somebody should stop their life, stop adhering to the law, stop protecting privacy...
STOP EVERYTHING BUT ATTENDING TO MY RANTING, RAVING SELF-ABSORBING FEARS!!!!!
Step back...take a breath...distance yourself far enough away to see yourself and membership sub-herds...
Doesn't the stench of all that riled up fear fill your nostrils with nausea????
Just what is it that you think any of this witch hunt is supposed to provide the larger community who has told you...it couldn't care less about this attempt to disqualify over meaningless debris? College records? What is it that a voting public is supposed to benefit by knowing what I took in college, and how I did? Why isn't a state's official notification enough? Bush, Reagan, Nixon...Clinton, Carter...all people who screwed up royally, the first three challenging the constitutional constraints on presidents...and they were all native born idiots, and the first three, native born threats to the Constitution. What boogieman power must we assume to this witch to make this particular witch so threatening????
Will he eat our children? Impregnate our daughters? Hump men's legs? Devastate crops in the fields? Maybe he'll breed with the livestock?
What fear do you have that makes Obama's birth keep the witch-hunt alive for you???
Who feeds the mind's drive to make minutiae big, meaningful and absorbing?
"HE GOT A C- IN US HISTORY IN COLLEGE!!! HE'S A TERRORIST!!!!"
This is sooooooooo not about Obama and his records....and sooooooooo much about those who are fixated. It is true of all of our lives...our psychological fears are never about the other...but about...ourselves.
Face em...and dust beneath your bed.
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ttomtarr
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Jun 21 @ 9:33PM
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Obama is a tool, prepared and chosen to do a particular job. The nature of the job is the big question. Moving the US into One Big World Government? That is my concern, the global economy fiasco multiplied by thousands.
His involvement in the criminal farce called Acorn is enough to tip off anyone with sense that he is being used by other very large players, and has few if any ethics.
He should study the fate of used tools.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 21 @ 10:04PM
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All I say is the birth record Issue can be solved by next election if every state in the US passes a law requiring that all candidates running for the office of President must provide there state with certified legal prove that they are a US natural born citizen
Some States already have and your point is a good one. It should mandatory for all States.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 21 @ 10:33PM
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The records can be gotten at..You just need a slick enough legal mind.. I mean like checking someone elses birth records that were born around the same time as Obama..They wil be on the same microflim... One can't help up stroll down a name or two and stumble on Obamas records... If they are there .
You can check all the records in the United States you want but the fact of the matter is or most likely answer is that Barack Obama wasn't born in the United States. This would account for him not having a Certificate of Live birth. I think this is the nail in the coffin. Like I said before the fact that his Father wasn't American citizen disqualifying him could be challenged and go either way. A fact he wasn't born in the United States also would be the end of Barack Obama.
Char is on the right track. Not quite their yet but close. You need to research how the State of Hawaii handled child birth to an American citizen while abraod at that time.
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imlost2
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Jun 21 @ 10:56PM
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This conversation isn't one just going on here, it's going on all over the nation, we've just picked it up on this website. It's in many courts and in conversations on many many other websites as well. We are not alone here, we've just picked up on what thousands of other people feel and have been saying in the news and other avenues. I hope this gets resolved and he finally is forced to come clean. I'm not sure why anyone would back him up to allow him to not be open about his records, there is no reason for it, especially his college records, you'd think he'd be proud of his accomplishments, unless again, there is something to hide. What? He doesn't want us to know his opinions on his essays or his grades? By doing this, he has set himself up as looking suspicious, it's his own doing. Lost
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skyscraper948
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Jun 22 @ 9:52AM
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In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fourth kind of birth certificate for children born outside of the Territory or State of Hawaii. HRS Chapter 338 was amended to add a new section authorizing the Director of the Department of Health to issue a birth certificate for a person NOT born in Hawaii either as a Territory or State, upon sufficient proof that the legal parents of such individual had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth of such child.
Obama was born in 1961, any law passed in 1982 has no bearing or relevance on this conversation at all. It matters what the laws were in 1961, not 1982.... Ever heard of an 'ex-post facto" law? Yea, well its illegal and unconstitutional. Any confusion ask supreme... he's the lawyer. haha.
Way back before he was elected his grandmother said he was born in Kenya. Now why would she make that up?
Everytime i go to visit my grandmother she still thinks i'm Uncle Buddy and that were in the Bronx and its 1947. This isnt "proof" of anything at all. Courts deal with evidence, sorry. it's the way it is.
Why didn't one single court just say the guy is a " natural born citizen " and be done with it?. I mean how many lawsuits need to be filed until the rational thing to do is simply prove yourself. I'll tell you one thing. If the media would have reported on this like they should have we wouldn't be having this conversation.
The lawyer strikes again... hahahaha. Why would a judge making a ruling regarding his citizenship status on a case that never went to trial or even discovery for that matter. hahahahaha... Oh my goodness. You should at least do a quick google search about court procedures before you say something silly like this counselor. The judge did rule... no standing... dismissed.
This would account for him not having a Certificate of Live birth.
How do you know he doesnt have one... I thought his records had been "sealed" in a giant conspiracy spanning several states?
This conversation is truly shocking. oh... and i think i've figured out your tactics too... say the same thing over and over again until anyone with a brain can't take it anymore. Not bad... but wont work on me. lol. Its too much fun.
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PeacefulGuy
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Jun 22 @ 10:29AM
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In Minor v. Happersett (1874), the Supreme Court said that, if you were born in the United States and both of your parents were U.S. citizens at the time of your birth, you are, without doubt, a natural born citizen. In the same case, the Supreme Court also said that, if you were born in the United States and one of your parents was not a U.S. citizen when you were born, your natural born citizenship is in doubt. So far, the Supreme Court has not resolved this doubt because, until now, there has never been any need to do so.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=88&invol=162
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skyscraper948
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Jun 22 @ 10:47AM
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There's no taking the documents to anyone's doorstep, just submit them to the courts like is asked, he hasn't complied, the documents he submitted were not complete or correct, that is what the problem is and this needs clarification, until this happens, I nor many thousands of Americans that didn't vote for him will ever believe he should be President. Lost
THIS IS NOT TRUE! No court has ordered these records be turned over... The cases were dismissed... YOU ARE NOT BEING HONEST.
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skyscraper948
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Jun 22 @ 10:50AM
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In the same case, the Supreme Court also said that, if you were born in the United States and one of your parents was not a U.S. citizen when you were born, your natural born citizenship is in doubt. So far, the Supreme Court has not resolved this doubt because, until now, there has never been any need to do so.
also not true... United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898). I quoted the opinion above. The issue has been settled for well over a hundred years. this is crazy.
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PeacefulGuy
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Jun 22 @ 12:43PM
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Myself I think the whole Obama birth record issue comes down to this simple issue... He doesn't want people to know that one his birth records instead of them saying father - African a term inwhich they didn't use back in 1961 and it states Father --unknown.... I can amost take it to the bank that it says those words..
Unknown on it and not african....
By this document stating unknown it puts him on the hot seat...He has to do alot of explaining to people over his books , public statements and so forth..Because his mommy at the time didn't know who the hell his father was and put unknown down or maybe she was just to embarrassed to put african on the document at the time and put unknown...... But that thing says father unknown on it...count on it...And he doesn't want people to see it...
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CHARLIgurl1
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Jun 22 @ 1:08PM
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The fact is, he has not produced it. The Hawaiin govenor said in an interview that she will only release the original if Obama requests it, He hasnt.
The certificate on his web site does not include doctors or midwives names that are provided when being born in a Hawaiin hospital.
All this talk would be cleared up if he just released it and all the speculators of whether its a certificate that gives him eligibility to the Presidency would be quiet.
Thats all he has to do.
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PeacefulGuy
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Jun 22 @ 1:19PM
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here is the court system one needs to file a case of this issue in..
The DC District Court has the authority to investigate the eligibility of a sitting President. The DC District Court received this authority from Congress when Congress passed the Federal Quo Warranto Statute in 1901 and revised it, in 1963, to its present form.
The Federal Quo Warranto Statute is thoroughly explained in this three-part series:
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skyscraper948
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Jun 22 @ 1:22PM
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The fact is, he has not produced it. The Hawaiin govenor said in an interview that she will only release the original if Obama requests it, He hasnt.
The certificate on his web site does not include doctors or midwives names that are provided when being born in a Hawaiin hospital.
All this talk would be cleared up if he just released it and all the speculators of whether its a certificate that gives him eligibility to the Presidency would be quiet.
Thats all he has to do.
"The fact is, he has not produced it.".... First of all... release it to whom exactly???? Secondly, there seem to be alot of forensic document analysts on the MD blogs... char, please inform me of a forensic document expert (besides yourself apparently) who has concluded that the documents on obama's website are fraudulent, and i'll shut up. i swear. And i'll demand he produce proof of his citizenship as well. And please dont send me to WorldNetDaily again... that gave me a headache.
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skyscraper948
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Jun 22 @ 1:27PM
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here is the court system one needs to file a case of this issue in..
The DC District Court has the authority to investigate the eligibility of a sitting President. The DC District Court received this authority from Congress when Congress passed the Federal Quo Warranto Statute in 1901 and revised it, in 1963, to its present form.
I thought only congress could do this... but i'm not a lawyer. If this is correct than let someone with standing challenge him... I'm all for it. Thats what the courts are for.
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CHARLIgurl1
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Jun 22 @ 1:55PM
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And please dont send me to WorldNetDaily again... that gave me a headache.
OK I wont..
What I WILL do is supply you with details of the results from a forensic expert Ron Polarik, Google him if you have any doubts about his expertice.
>>click to read<<
Read the page, theres a lot of info on there, but I think you'll find it very interesting.
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skyscraper948
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Jun 22 @ 3:07PM
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What I WILL do is supply you with details of the results from a forensic expert Ron Polarik, Google him if you have any doubts about his expertice.
hmmmm... interesting, and i'm glad you brought him up. He is a poster on Free Republic and not much is known about him other than he claims to be an expert in the detection of altered document images. "Dr. Ron Polarik" is a pseudonym. No one knows his true identity and he hid his face and masked his voice on his youtube video. Until his credentials are verified, i cant really take him seriously. But a real document analyst, Dr. Neal Krawetz, has analyzed Polarik’s work and published his results describing Polarik’s analysis as “bad science”.
So let me get this straight char... you are not willing to accept obama's birth certificate as authentic based on the analysis of it from someone who won’t even give his name? Come on ppl... this is getting ridiculous. lol.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 22 @ 3:15PM
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obama's birth certificate
It's not about the birth certificate skycrapper. He has no Certificate of Live Birth because he most likely wasn't born in the United States. That's what these people and groups are after besides his school records. They want the school records and his school applications.
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imlost2
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Jun 22 @ 3:18PM
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Just because the Obama managed to get a case dismissed does not mean he produced the correct documents that were asked of him duhhhhhh. Lost
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skyscraper948
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Jun 22 @ 3:40PM
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Just because the Obama managed to get a case dismissed does not mean he produced the correct documents that were asked of him duhhhhhh. Lost
sorry lost... this is a shockingly ignorant about the way the court system works. NOTHING WAS ASKED OF HIM BY A COURT. what do you and supreme not understand???
He has no Certificate of Live Birth because he most likely wasn't born in the United States.
I know im going to be sorry i asked but... Where do you know he has no Certificate of Live Birth? How do you know this? Where did this little piece of info come from exactly? Serious question.
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imlost2
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Jun 22 @ 3:47PM
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OH so they just had a court case for the hell of it, and asked for nothing, give me a break, the court case asked for the documents and he managed to get the case dismissed. Geeeez they don't get court cases scheduled if they are not valid. There is one that did get dismissed but there are still some that are not according to a program I saw. Lost
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skyscraper948
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Jun 22 @ 4:09PM
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OH so they just had a court case for the hell of it, and asked for nothing, give me a break, the court case asked for the documents and he managed to get the case dismissed. Geeeez they don't get court cases scheduled if they are not valid. There is one that did get dismissed but there are still some that are not according to a program I saw. Lost
Ok... I understand what youre saying... but, here's how it works... yes.. a complaint was filed in court... there were pre-trial motions... Obama filed a motion to dismiss... the judge agreed and the cases were dismissed. You are referring to the "discovery phase" of a court case. which happens after a judge determines the case has merit... Where each side gathers evidence... These cases were dismissed in the pre-trial phase... so there was no gathering of evidence. you see? this has been my point all along. It never got far enough in the proceedings for him to have been required to turn over any documents... And they wouldn't ask him for them anyway.. they would subpoena the hawaiian dept of health....
As for the other complaints... i only know of 2... the berg and alan keyes complaints, both of which were dismissed... i dont know of any others.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 22 @ 4:25PM
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Ok... I understand what youre saying... but, here's how it works... yes.. a complaint was filed in court... there were pre-trial motions... Obama filed a motion to dismiss... the judge agreed and the cases were dismissed. You are referring to the "discovery phase" of a court case. which happens after a judge determines the case has merit... Where each side gathers evidence... These cases were dismissed in the pre-trial phase... so there was no gathering of evidence. you see? this has been my point all along. It never got far enough in the proceedings for him to have been required to turn over any documents... And they wouldn't ask him for them anyway.. they would subpoena the hawaiian dept of health....
As for the other complaints... i only know of 2... the berg and alan keyes complaints, both of which were dismissed... i dont know of any others.
Obama filed a motion to dismiss based on the petitioner "had no standing". He didn't refute the allegations as one would normally do. The " no standing " isn't a ruling based on the merits of the case.
If Obama holds the evidence then the merits of the case are circumstantial. The " no standing " defense was an effort to stop the direct evidence from coming into play.
Again you don't know what your talking about so go away, I explained this several times in the comment section of the blog. You keep rambling on to irritate people. Your done here.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 22 @ 5:10PM
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Sorry gang, I apologize for letting this thing continue to post for this long. Apparently he's so stupid that if anything he was saying were to be true you would think he'd be smart enough to question why Barack Obama didn't use it as his own defense.
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PeacefulGuy
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Jun 22 @ 5:33PM
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Supremebeing -- Obama got the cased dismissed only because of jurisdiction status... They found the parties that filed the case had no standing... The reason was they actually filed it in the wrong courts... If the parties would have been legal residence of Washington DC they would have had standing... And this is why..
The DC District Court has the authority to investigate the eligibility of a sitting President. The DC District Court received this authority from Congress when Congress passed the Federal Quo Warranto Statute in 1901 and revised it, in 1963, to its present form.
The case must go to jury before the Supreme court would hear the matter... The parties failed to do so... DC district court should have gotten the matter first, and a jury trial should be held.. They have actually standing...Not someone outside the district area becaiuse they are not citizens of that state... Once a Washington resident fails suit against Obama the have the standing for the Supreme court to hear the matter..Plus Congress gave the DC district court Authority to investigate the eligibilty of a stiting President.. A jury trial must be held before the Supreme court will hear the matter.. These lawyers went out it the wrong way from the beginning..
Obama can;t have a residents Of Washington DC's suit stopped over this issue without first giving the parties a chance a hold a jury trial as the court process says one is entitled to receive.. Especially when Congress had passed a law saying so.. They made the ground rules.. If you follow them your case has to be held somewhere down the line...
These lawyers that filed their suits did so in the wrong courts..DC is the place to be..Not Pennsylvania, or anyother state.. The law is clear...Federal Quo Warranto Statute .. That DC court has full Congress aproval to investagate the matter..
Federal Quo Warranto Statute .. Anyother court system is going to have a jurisdiction flaw....  No jurisdiction flaw if DC hears the case first along with a jury... It's like a dimino effect Supreme..One card gets pulled out the whole house caves in.. And Obama used the jurisdiction issue to have the lawyers case dismissed..He'' will have a hard time stopping a case filed in the DC courts....
Just a thought..
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CHARLIgurl1
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Jun 22 @ 5:53PM
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Thats ok supreme, I have tried to supply as much as I can, but I think even if i were to find it written in blood by Obama's own hand, admitting his b c was a fake, the dems would still say something like.. someone forced him to say it.
Of course Ron Plarik wanted to be incognito, so would I if I was just about to have my opinion about the bc of the president make public!
BUT in his sworn affidafit he uses his real name, as you will see on many of Bergs postings. BUT to the public he has his name altered for safety reasons.
If it were ever to go to court, and his identity was known,..... well... use your own imagination.
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 22 @ 7:41PM
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The reason was they actually filed it in the wrong courts
In part true, correct! but they did follow what would be considered proper procedural methods or what would be in a sense the legal way to go. The reason they have " no standing " wasn't simply a jurisdictional issue though. As a matter of law they have no standing in any court. Only the Electoral College and I believe the Presdient of the Senate can contest the constitutionality of a Presidential candidate.
What's interesting is why the " no standing " defense?. Wouldn't a Presidential candidate want to prove they are a constitutional qualified Presidential candidate?.What if the media reported on this as they should have?, Senator Obama would have to cough up some documents for the court of public opinion or he'd find himself with quite a bit of explaining to do.
What cracks me up is these people who argue that President Obama is a " natural born citizen " under the 14th Amendment. Well if that's true why didn't Barack Obama and his attorney's come out and say that?, why?,because the 14th Amendment deals with citizenship not " natural born "hence, irrelevant to the case.
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PeacefulGuy
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Jun 22 @ 10:41PM
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Supreme what they did was file the orginal case in the wrong courts and worked there way up the latter instead of going to the DC district court first.. It clearly has the power because Congress gave it to them... It all deals with the Federal Quo Warranto Statute ..... It's the proper court and no other court should be used to start an action against him because of jurisdiction issues..... Congress created the authority of the DC district court to investigate the eligibility of a sitting President... So anybody in that district has standing to file a lawsuit against Obama...
Ok it's like this... All these cases are filed outside of the DC district court.. So since the Presidential office resides in that district only that district can hear a complaint against him because of jurisdiction issues... The white house is in that court district so if you file outside the district you file in the wrong court system...And once you file in the wrong court and proceed up the ladder to other courts you have no standing because your house of cards is knocked down..You didn't start to build your house correctly..Get it....
It all comes down to the fact that Congress gave the DC district the authority to go after a sitting President through law..They created the law....It's the path to follow...The court and district that has obsolute standing against Obama because the white house resides in their district court area..
Myself I find it a bunch of crap..any presiident worth a grain of salt would allow the public to see where they were born and their back ground... But then again people that ave something to hide will fight teeth and nail not to be exposed..
Just my thought...
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 23 @ 12:29AM
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PeacefulGuy,
Excellent point and as you know deals with a " sitting President ". As you know unlike many other's that Presdient Obama didn't actually break the law until he took the oath of office. Not illegal to run for President just illegal to be the President. The electoral college as a matter of law should be jailed. The DNC jailed also. What's exactly is wrong with this country is that many American's have no resprect for the law. They would rather have a black President then a legal one. DC being mostly black, it's politics liberal the chances of anyone challenging Preident Obama quo warranto is nill.
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PeacefulGuy
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Jun 23 @ 11:06AM
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Supreme your correct. No crime was committed until he took the oath and that is when the quo warranto comes into effect... You maybe right about that chance of not having the case heard... But it actually only takes one person with the balls enough to stand up for his nation.. A DC resident..
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 23 @ 9:33PM
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But it actually only takes one person with the balls enough to stand up for his nation.. A DC resident..
I think the courts would have to decide in short which law supercedes. Can D.C. law supercede federal law. In this case " no standing " v. "quo warranto".
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PeacefulGuy
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Jun 26 @ 10:37AM
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Supreme.. I think Congress gave DC the obsolute authority to go after a sitting president in their district...
This whole issue is a civil one and not federal.. A civil liberites issue at stake..
I'd like to see the case played out jumping through the right hoops..Filing the case in the right court system from the start may just have a different outcome in the end...Up until the oath was taking no real case could be made..He broke no laws at anytime..
SCOTUS may just want to here this one..They really couldn't hear a case against him until he put his hand up..Now since he has he may just have to pay the price for it.. I'm just hoping someone in that dc court district has the balls to do it and play the game out .. I think it's going to be real interesting..since the house of cards can't be knocked down because of jurisdiction or standing matters.. That courts has both..
We will see what happens..
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PeacefulGuy
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Jun 26 @ 10:48AM
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Supreme this may interest you...
http://www.uslaw.com/library/Obama_Citizenship/QUO_WARRANTO_LEGAL_BRIEF_Part_Federal_Quo_Warranto_Statute_Constitutio.php?item=404674
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Supremebeing412
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Jun 26 @ 7:39PM
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Im familiar with quo warranto and it's application but let's look at th conflict both legal and consequential.
The 23rd Amndment may have some influence on quo warranto. Section II United States Constitution;
The House of Representatives shall chose their Speaker and other Officers and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
I think President Obama isn't a citizen of the United States at all. Not only wasn't he born in the Ubited States he was never properly naturalized either. This would mean everything that he has done as a Senator and now President would be void.
This is such as mess that by the time the legal process was completed to remove him he would be long gone. I don't think President Obama is going to be a 2 term President. This should have been resolved by the Electoral College prior to him becoming President. In short, the American people were sold out and played big time. Don't be to surprised if President Obama doesn't even seek a second term.
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PeacefulGuy
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Jun 27 @ 10:57AM
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Supreme i was thinking the same thing.. The quilty alway seems to hide behind the letter of the law..If they can... Funny thing is his party was the one that reformed the document that may hang the chicken in the end..In 1963 they controlled wasington..lol
It all comes down to who has the balls to take the game to the finish line.. I'd like to see it played out because one can learn from its experiences and doings....  Let history be made...
That hook of the 23rd amendment is something to think about..But wasn't it congress the one that wrote the quo warranto in the first place? They wrote it for a purpose that comes along with the constitution and it's powers..They gave the DC distrist the power to go after any political figure not just a sitting president...
The supreme didn't hear this case because the playing field was staked with lawsuits filed in wrong courts.. Bergs case for one..completely out of line at the line.. He put the horse after the cart by trying to get Obama disqualifed at the time..The constitution doesn't say one must be a natural citizen to run for the office of president...On;y that a US President must be a natursl born citizen.. It doesn't say you can't run and win... Berg should have waited it out and started from DC District court and then played out his hand..He didn't and Scotus knew it..Thye had no others but to reject his case because he actually had none.. Like I said he put the art before the horse..Obama was not president so no standing could be made...Plus the wrong court problem..
This is a very complex case...Impeachment and the power to investigate a sitting president... I think if the DC courts were to rule on the issue and it follows the ladder up until SCOTUS Congress may just have but other recourse but to impeach... The chicken can't legally look over the hen house... It would be illegal to do so.. Contempt of court and so forth..
Also i won't be surprised if you doesn't run a second term..Especially if states pass a law that demands any person runing for the office of president must provde the state with a certifed birth record and all schooling ones.. But we will see how the game unfold...Can only sit back and watch..
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