So...
I know this statement will probably cause a sh*tstorm on MD from the conservatives here but i was having a conversation with my new friend RightWingRepublican and she said...
You can't be [a christian] and still support the Liberals beliefs. it truly is one or the other.
Well, not only do i not agree with that but i believe Jesus Christ himself was a liberal. And i decided to quote scripture to support my belief. One thing though, this will not address abortion. I dont believe He would have been in favor of abortion rights (and frankly, i'm not either), so please don't leave me comments about it. It's irrelevant. This is strictly about his social views...
I'm going to write a topic and underneath will be the words of Jesus. You will see that jesus was very liberal... anti-war, anti-greed and for social equality. Just like the "liberals".
ok, so here goes....
Peacemaking (Anti-War):
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [Matthew 5:9] Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [Matthew 5:39] I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute you; [Matthew 5:44]
Crime and Punishment:
If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]
Justice:
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. [Matthew 5:6] Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy [Matthew 5:7] But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your
trespasses. [Matthew 6:15]
Corporate Greed and the Religion of Wealth:
In the temple courts [Jesus] found men selling cattle, sheep and doves and other sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. [John 2:14 & 15.] Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions. [Luke 12.15.] Truly, I say unto you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. [Matthew 19:23] You cannot serve both God and Money. [Matthew 6:24.]
Paying Taxes & Separation of Church & State:
Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. [Matthew 22:21]
Equality & Social Programs:
But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just. [Luke 14:13 &14.]
Public Prayer & Displays of Faith: And when thou pray, thou shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou pray, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret… [Matthew 6:6 & 7]
Strict Enforcement of Religious Laws:
If any of you has a son or a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? [Matthew 12:11] The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. [Mark 2:27.]
~cheers
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Nightowl001
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Jun 29 @ 9:42AM
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Nice selection of verses, SS.
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RightWingRepublican
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Jun 29 @ 9:43AM
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 See? This is what happens when i let you out of the basement. 
Jesus wasn't Conservative nor Liberal.
My comment isn't talking about Jesus. It's talking about those who go to Church every Sunday and then voted for a man who doesn't uphold their Religious beliefs.
You can't be both.
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observed50
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Jun 29 @ 9:48AM
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Makes one wonder, just what 'bible' people use, to justify thinking you can't be a liberal and christian. It speaks highly of the need to believe one is so right that their god belongs only to them.
And is exactly why gods are so sadly pathetic in so much of human history...as they stand as large puppets behind the fearful...helping them stay afraid, and alone, orchestrated by the pulpiteers...playing on people's fear of one another, fear of change, fear of a world out of their control.
"But worry not...god is on your side. Now go kill, pillage, and plunder in my name. Get what you want and what you need, and pay no attention to others. And especially pay no attention to the pulpiteers behind the curtains...for I am the great and powerful...self-worshipped image of yourself."
The very foundation of agreement between the world's religions, of 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you'...is a 'liberal' perspective on the world. It requires you stand in another's shoes of suffering and social distance to understand 'right' response. The conservative interpretation of that credo would be..."have others do as you think they should" which is the underlying tenet of self-righteousness and a mindset that thinks you ask of the suffering...nothing. You tolerate them.
True liberalism (as opposed to all the strawmen 'liberals' who appear in MD blogs) approaches the world as questioned relationship, open and dialogic relationship. The Constitution and Bill of Rights aren't the brain child of conservatives...but liberals. Equality in gender relationships...liberalism. Race relations? Liberalism. Non-serf wages? Liberalism.
But god only smiles on conservatives.
Might explain why so much of human advances in right relationship are done in struggle as people seek to 'conserve' the wrong relationships that have dominated human history, and still do in so much of our lives. If god blesses your tortured relationships, and the suffering embedded in them...why would one seek change...a liberal thing?
Can you think of any better reason not to believe in such a god? God loves you...but only if....
Sounds just like a sad human being to me. 
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skyscraper948
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Jun 29 @ 9:57AM
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See? This is what happens when i let you out of the basement.
Jesus wasn't Conservative nor Liberal.
My comment isn't talking about Jesus. It's talking about those who go to Church every Sunday and then voted for a man who doesn't uphold their Religious beliefs.
You can't be both.
Yes... agreed. My point was not that jesus would have voted for barack obama or anything like that. My point was that "liberal" views are not something to be loathed. And that Jesus himself preached about some of the very things you hate about liberals. You can be liberal and Christian. Just something to think about.
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Valjean
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Jun 29 @ 10:08AM
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I'll one up you, and claim he was a socialist.
The republicans seem like the old angry god, that would smite you if you didn't behave.
But I will not say that the democrats seem like the newer loving god.
Maybe the green party.
Not that it matters to me anyways, I don't live/vote in the states, and I'm an atheist.
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RightWingRepublican
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Jun 29 @ 10:14AM
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"Oh Smite me mighty smiter!"
Pop quiz, what Jim Carrey film was that from?
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skyscraper948
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Jun 29 @ 10:18AM
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"Oh Smite me mighty smiter!"
Pop quiz, what Jim Carrey film was that from?
Come on RWR... too easy. Bruce Almighty.
Love that movie.
You want me to "smite" you? We may have to move this to the forums, i'm not sure of the rules.
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dizzydoll
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Jun 29 @ 10:20AM
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Jesus was neither conservative or liberal........... he gave you enough rope to hang yourself
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skyscraper948
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Jun 29 @ 10:25AM
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Jesus was neither conservative or liberal........... he gave you enough rope to hang yourself
I'm just saying he held alot of liberal views based on what he said and his actions. That's all. I'm not saying he would be head of the DNC or anything. Geez.
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dizzydoll
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Jun 29 @ 10:31AM
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ooops!! doll please dont take it personally
i should have said
Jesus was neither conservative or liberal........... he gave everyone enough rope to hang yourself
my mistake...
peace
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dizzydoll
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Jun 29 @ 10:32AM
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darn..............................................................................>>
themselves
you see, thats me dizzy
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dizzydoll
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Jun 29 @ 10:34AM
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i am laughing so hard, i feel like i am on drugs
goodbye, later
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skyscraper948
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Jun 29 @ 10:37AM
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ooops!! doll please dont take it personally
i should have said
Jesus was neither conservative or liberal........... he gave everyone enough rope to hang yourself
my mistake...
peace
ok, that makes much more sense. thanks for clarifying.
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RightWingRepublican
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Jun 29 @ 10:37AM
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Bruce Almighty.I couldn't figure it out.
I love that line..
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skyscraper948
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Jun 29 @ 10:43AM
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Bruce Almighty.I couldn't figure it out.
I love that line.
Ya know rwr... I must tell you i'm slightly disappointed. I figured you would have more to say about this. I mean, this blog was put up in ur honor.
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edthepoet
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Jun 29 @ 10:49AM
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Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian.
Now, if one were to have to place Him as either a rep or dem, then it's obvious that He would have been a dem.
He cared about people, He didn't promote wars, He taught the greatest life lessons, and every rep would have thrown the stone at the whore.
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skyscraper948
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Jun 29 @ 10:56AM
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every rep would have thrown the stone at the whore.
Exactly my point sir!
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RightWingRepublican
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Jun 29 @ 11:01AM
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Ya know rwr... I must tell you i'm slightly disappointed. I figured you would have more to say about this. I mean, this blog was put up in ur honor
Don't have anything to say about it.
I defend what needs to be defended. Jesus doesn't need defending.
Neither does my comment. 
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skyscraper948
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Jun 29 @ 11:13AM
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Don't have anything to say about it.
I defend what needs to be defended. Jesus doesn't need defending.
Neither does my comment.
ok, fair enough. serious question though... do you believe, based on the bible verses i quoted, that jesus held views that you would consider "liberal" by today's standards?
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edthepoet
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Jun 29 @ 11:20AM
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I am marking this one down, rwr has nothing to say about, lol
Is anyone buying this? lol
That's like me saying I am a great singer because I sing for the hearing impaired,lol
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lovestobake
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Jun 29 @ 11:25AM
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I can't comment cause I never met him.
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CHARLIgurl1
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Jun 29 @ 11:29AM
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Is this another blog where I need to settle down with some pop corn and watch the show?
The only thing I would say about Jesus's teachings on a political level is that he encouraged people to work and prosper, not sit around claiming off of everyone else!.. Ill leave that to guess which party that swings towards lol 
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edthepoet
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Jun 29 @ 11:31AM
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In case anyone was wondering, Jesus didn't have a job, he was living off of women, therefore, he may have been a rep,lol
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skyscraper948
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Jun 29 @ 11:46AM
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The only thing I would say about Jesus's teachings on a political level is that he encouraged people to work and prosper, not sit around claiming off of everyone else!
He did? Thats news to me. Can you give a quote from scripture backing this? Not that sitting around doing nothing is a good idea. But it's also not a "liberal" ideal either. geez
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POPO
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Jun 29 @ 11:51AM
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Peacemaking (Anti-War):
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [Matthew 5:9] Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [Matthew 5:39] I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute you; [Matthew 5:44]
Just war - does Jesus oppose war?
The Christian church is not a theocratic nation (Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world; otherwise, my servants would fight"), but Christians ideally should live within national boundaries to seek the well-being of that nation. Sometimes, they may be called upon to defend that nation's existence (or that of another vulnerable nation) against an aggressor's attack.
Contrary to what many believe, Jesus' words about "turning the other cheek" after someone hits you on the right cheek are dealing with personal insults, not with acts of violence or force. Rather, Jesus said, "When insulted, be willing to take another insult." Assuming that persons in Jesus' time were generally right-handed, a hit on the right cheek is a back-handed slap, which even today in the Middle East expresses a gross insult. This idea of a slap as an insult is seen in Lamentations 3:30: "Let him give his cheek to the smiter and be filled with insults." This slap would be roughly equivalent to spitting in someone's face in our society.
Jesus is not saying, "Don't defend yourself when you are attacked" or "Don't help a woman who is being raped" or "Don't defend your country when it is being attacked." He is not negating the judicial principle of an "eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth"; he speaks against the abuse of that judicial principle to justify personal retaliation or vengeance.
Although there are some pacifistic Christian groups which I respect, I believe good biblical reasons can be given for advocating a just war as a last resort to bring about lasting peace: Governments, when operating as they should, must bring order and punish evildoers. God approves of this arrangement, as Romans 13:1-7 and 1 Pet. 2:14 indicate. Even though war is never neat and innocent civilians will be killed, the Judeo-Christian tradition is realistic in recognizing human self-centeredness and sinfulness which may necessitate force to keep evil from spreading its tentacles further, to restrain violence.
Scriptures without understanding their full meaning are meaningless words, that can be slanted to fit most any situation. Understanding their complete meaning in the context their given, allows us to better understand the intention of them. Jesus was neither Conservative or Liberal....His wisdom has never been duplicated, and often misinterpreted, or used by man to fit his own agenda.
But no where in any of his teachings, did he say...
Thou shalt let thy neighbor kill thee...
Thou shalt let thy neighbor ravage thy wife or daughter...
Thou shalt not defend thy home or country....
Jesus was no Liberal...
Jesus reached out to all, not just those whom agreed with him.
Jesus saw the good in all men, not just those who supported or (voted) for him.
Jesus would plant a tree and hug the man, not hug the tree and slap the man.
Jesus fed the masses with love, not loved the masses because they fed him.
Jesus taught us to how fish, (he was a fisher of men) not take the fish from men to feed the slothful.
Jesus encouraged us to use our talents, not bleed the talents of another.
Jesus taught us to respect women as daughters of God, not use and abuse women for selfish pleasure.
Jesus taught us to not make money our God, not use God as a reason not to make money.
Jesus taught us to feed those in need, not create a need for those to need.
Jesus taught us to pray to God for inspiration, not to seek gratification from man.
from the chronicles of
Popo
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skyscraper948
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Jun 29 @ 11:55AM
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Jesus is not saying, "Don't defend yourself when you are attacked" or "Don't help a woman who is being raped" or "Don't defend your country when it is being attacked." He is not negating the judicial principle of an "eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth"; he speaks against the abuse of that judicial principle to justify personal retaliation or vengeance.
I didn't say this either.
And exactly what "just war" are you referring to? Iraq?
Iraq did not attack us. Iraq did not threaten us.
Sorry, but, your post is irrelevant.
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skyscraper948
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Jun 29 @ 11:57AM
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Jesus taught us to how fish, (he was a fisher of men) not take the fish from men to feed the slothful.
Jesus disagreed with you...
But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just. [Luke 14:13 &14.]
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lucy8
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Jun 29 @ 12:03PM
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Jesus was the first liberal voice among religious.
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POPO
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Jun 29 @ 12:11PM
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In case anyone was wondering, Jesus didn't have a job, he was living off of women, therefore, he may have been a rep,lol
Jesus was a Carpenter by trade...the rest of your comment is both Moronic and Ignorant, furthermore it disrespects both his memory and mocks his teachings..
You've managed to disrespect Christians, Women and Republicans with your ignominious (disgraceful) antipathy (hatred) proving your ultracrepidarian mentality.
(a critic giving an opinion beyond his knowledge).
you've really out done your self here....
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skyscraper948
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Jun 29 @ 12:16PM
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Jesus was a Carpenter by trade...the rest of your comment is both Moronic and Ignorant, furthermore it disrespects both his memory and mocks his teachings..
You've managed to disrespect Christians, Women and Republicans with your ignominious (disgraceful) antipathy (hatred) proving your ultracrepidarian mentality.
(a critic giving an opinion beyond his knowledge).
you've really out done your self here....
is this directed at me or ed?
if me, I'd say... I backed up my arguement with scripture, you with pat robertson. Who's moronic again? Are you supreme's twin or something... geez, that sounded alot like somthing he'd say.
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ttomtarr
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Jun 29 @ 12:20PM
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Ttomtarr's prayer
Dear Lord, please preserve me from your followers.
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lucy8
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Jun 29 @ 12:25PM
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GO AMONG THE PEOPLE. EAT WHAT THEY SET BEFORE YOU, AND HEAL THE SICK AMONG THEM. FOR WHAT GOES INTO YOUR MOUTH WILL NOT DEFILE YOU, BUT WHAT COMES OUT OF YOUR MOUTH, THAT IS WHAT WILL DEFILE YOU.
This is a very significant saying. Don't bother too much if the food is not pure, or if a sudra has touched it, or if a woman who is having her period has passed by and her shadow has defiled it. The question is not what you take in, the question is what you bring out -- because what you bring out, that shows your quality; how you transform what you take in, that's the thing.
The point is that if you are centered in your being, whatsoever goes in is changed, is transformed; it takes your quality of being and comes out.
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funguy007
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Jun 29 @ 12:44PM
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Great blog Skycraper,
Thanks you for opening up a can of worms here and making people think.
Jesus, is a compassionate conservative. Offering a chance to strain up before it's all over. 
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dizzydoll
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Jun 29 @ 12:55PM
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i can see a war brewing... i am outta here
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lucy8
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Jun 29 @ 12:56PM
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He says: IF YOU FAST YOU WILL BEGET SIN FOR YOURSELVES.
What is sin? In Jesus' terminology the extreme, to move to the extreme is sin. To remain just in the middle is to be beyond sin. Why? Why is it sin to move to the extreme? To move to the extreme is sin because in the extreme you have chosen half and half has been denied -- and the truth is whole. When you say, "I will eat too much," you have chosen half. When you say, "I will not eat at all," you have again chosen half, you have chosen something. In the middle there is no choice: you feed the body, and you are not obsessed either this way or that; you are not obsessed at all, you are not neurotic. The body gets its needs, but you are not overburdened by its needs.
This balance is going beyond sin. So whenever you have an imbalance you are a sinner. Jesus' idea is that a person who is too much in the world is a sinner, but if he moves to the other extreme, renounces the world, becomes too much against the world, then again he is a sinner. A person who accepts the world, without choosing this way or that, transcends it.
Acceptance is transcendence. Choice means you have entered in, your ego has come in, now you are fighting.
Whenever you go to one extreme you have to fight continuously, because an extreme can never be at ease -- only in the middle can you be at ease. At the extreme you will always be tense, worried, anxiety will be there. Only in the middle, when you are balanced, is there no anxiety, no anguish; you are at home, nothing worries you because there is no tension. Tension means the extreme. You have tried many extremes, that's why you are so tense.
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coalingagirl94
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Jun 29 @ 1:54PM
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Wow Sky, Im very impressed with this blog. Good Job on this one.
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bardnsage
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Jun 29 @ 2:06PM
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Peacemaking (Anti-War):
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [Matthew 5:9] Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [Matthew 5:39] I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute you; [Matthew 5:44]
Cival War - Lincoln - Rep - but, a liberal party at the time,,, so says all the libs when I remind them a rep freed the slaves.
WW1 - Wilson
WW2 - Rossevelt
Korea - Truman
Vietnam - Kennedy and Johnson
Grenada - Reagan
Bosnia - Clinton
Kuwait/Iraq - Bush 1
Iraq/Afganistan - Bush/Obama
Nuff said. Not saying that Christ would promote war,,, just challenging the assumption that conservatives are war mongers, and liberals are not.
Crime and Punishment:
If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]
Deuteronomy 25:2 (New International Version)
2 If the guilty man deserves to be beaten, the judge shall make him lie down and have him flogged in his presence with the number of lashes his crime deserves,
Equality & Social Programs:
But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just. [Luke 14:13 &14.]
Proverbs 6:6-11
6 Go to the ant, you sluggard;
consider its ways and be wise!
7 It has no commander,
no overseer or ruler,
8 yet it stores its provisions in summer
and gathers its food at harvest.
9 How long will you lie there, you sluggard?
When will you get up from your sleep?
10 A little sleep, a little slumber,
a little folding of the hands to rest-
11 and poverty will come on you like a bandit
and scarcity like an armed man. [a]
Public Prayer & Displays of Faith: And when thou pray, thou shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou pray, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret… [Matthew 6:6 & 7]
I think you misunderstand,, the point is to pray for the right reasons,, not for the reasons of man. This does not mean hide your faith, or hide your God,,, it means, don't practice faith for the benefit of man.
Hebrews 13:15 (New International Version)
15Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise—the fruit of lips that confess his name.
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lucy8
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Jun 29 @ 2:22PM
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JESUS SAID TO THEM: IF YOU FAST YOU WILL BEGET SIN FOR YOURSELVES; AND IF YOU PRAY YOU WILL BE CONDEMNED; AND IF YOU GIVE ALMS YOU WILL DO EVIL TO YOUR SPIRITS.
AND IF YOU GO INTO ANY LAND AND WANDER IN THE REGIONS; IF THEY RECEIVE YOU, EAT WHAT THEY SET BEFORE YOU, AND HEAL THE SICK AMONG THEM.
FOR WHAT GOES INTO YOUR MOUTH WILL NOT DEFILE YOU, BUT WHAT COMES OUT OF YOUR MOUTH, THAT IS WHAT WILL DEFILE YOU.
This is a very strange saying, but very significant also. It looks strange because man is not real, he lives in falsity. So whatsoever he does, it is going to be false.
If you pray you will pray for the wrong reasons; if you fast you will fast for the wrong reasons -- because you are wrong. So the question is not what is right to do, the question is how to be right in your being. If your being is right, then whatsoever you do will be right automatically; but if your being is not right, not centered, not authentic, then whatsoever you do, it is going to be wrong.
Finally everything depends not on what you do, but on who you are. If a thief goes to pray his prayer is going to be wrong, because how can prayer be born out of a heart that has been deceiving everybody -- stealing, lying, harming? How is prayer possible out of the heart of a thief? It is impossible. The prayer can change you, but from where will the prayer come? It will come from you. If you are sick, your prayer is going to be sick.
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lucy8
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Jun 29 @ 2:26PM
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Can you pray? You can go to the temple because that is easy, but you cannot pray. Prayer needs a different quality; that quality you don't have, so you can only deceive yourself that you are praying. Go and look in the temple at people who are praying: they are simply deceiving themselves, they don't have that quality of prayerfulness. How can you pray? And if you have the quality of prayerfulness, what need is there to go to the temple or the church? Wherever you are prayer is: you move, you walk -- and it is prayer! You eat, you love -- and it is prayer! You look, you breathe -- and it is prayer! Because the quality of prayerfulness is always there, it is just like breathing. Then you cannot be in a moment of non-prayer. But then there is no need to go to the temple or to the church. Churches and temples exist for those who want to deceive themselves, for those who have no quality of prayer and still would like to believe that they are praying.
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IamTrinity
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Jun 30 @ 4:39AM
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In the temple courts [Jesus] found men selling cattle, sheep and doves and other sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.
King James Version: And he found IN the temple (nothing about a temple court) those that sold oxen, and sheep, and doves, and the changers of money sitting.
And when he had made a scourge of small cords he drove them all out of the temple, AND (not both ) the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers money, and overthrew the tables. ( the version you quoted could be read to suggest he drove all the animals out but did not take the whip to the changers)
Verse 16: ............. Take these things hence; make not my Fathers house an house of merchandise.
Sounds like a good republican action to me. In other words do what you want with your own life but the moment you attempt to defile MY house, you'll get your butt kicked! Sometimes it requires a little violence to take back rights others are attempting to take away.
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POPO
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Jun 30 @ 7:05AM
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I didn't say this either.
I never said you did...
And exactly what "just war" are you referring to? Iraq?
Iraq did not attack us. Iraq did not threaten us.
Without turning this into a history lesson, The war in Iraq was started when Hussein invaded Kuwatti, the war never ended, it was merely suspended based on Hussein following the UN resolutions, he failed to even defied them, when we went back to Iraq, Hussein had violated 17 UN resolutions including but not limited to shooting at US and allied planes flying over the No Fly Zone, along with continuing to trade oil for weapons with Russia and others, another UN violation. He was to use oil for food not arms. Furthermore he had put out a 25 million dollar contract on a US president. Saddam had killed over a million of his own people.
How much just cause is cause enough?
Sorry, but, your post is irrelevant.
no need for any cheap shots, I was very polite to you.
Popo wrote;
Jesus taught us to how fish, (he was a fisher of men) not take the fish from men to feed the slothful.
Jesus disagreed with you...
This has yet to be proven..
But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just. [Luke 14:13 &14.]
That's not what this scripture is saying.. I was talking about all those who are slothful as I wrote..your adding other things in hope to make a point. The above scripture is referring to helping those who can't help their self...no has a problem with that, but we have millions who are able but just won't work because it's easier to stay home and let others work for them.
is this directed at me or ed?if me, I'd say... I backed up my arguement with scripture, you with pat robertson. Who's moronic again? Are you supreme's twin or something... geez, that sounded alot like somthing he'd say.
This was directed at Ed's comment, slow down and read what I said, before answering, you got all worked up over nothing...
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kjac
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Jun 30 @ 8:28AM
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Maybe these people are on to something with their hourly bashing of liberals after all.
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skyscraper948
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Jun 30 @ 9:41AM
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This was directed at Ed's comment, slow down and read what I said, before answering, you got all worked up over nothing...
My apologies sir, seriously. A few things though...
Hussein had violated 17 UN resolutions
Israel has violated 65 UN resolutions, and we haven't invaded them.
Saddam had killed over a million of his own people.
How much just cause is cause enough?
Yes, he did. You forget though that he accomplished this by using weapons sold to him by the United States. Not only that, Iraq was an ally during the 80's. We didn't seem to care back then.
That's not what this scripture is saying.. I was talking about all those who are slothful as I wrote..your adding other things in hope to make a point. The above scripture is referring to helping those who can't help their self...no has a problem with that, but we have millions who are able but just won't work because it's easier to stay home and let others work for them.
I gotta tell you popo... I don't recall christ making such a distinction. Please correct me if i'm wrong. And besides, who decides who among the poor is simply being "slothful"?
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skyscraper948
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Jun 30 @ 9:42AM
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Maybe these people are on to something with their hourly bashing of liberals after all.
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POPO
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Jun 30 @ 10:43AM
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My apologies sir, seriously. A few things though...
Apology accepted... Mis-understandings can happen no big deal..
Popo wrote;
Hussein had violated 17 UN resolutions
Israel has violated 65 UN resolutions, and we haven't invaded them.
I understand what your saying...But..and dontcha just love them buts..
We have never been at war with Israel, We were at war with Iraq, and the cease fire of the 100 day war was conditional, Saddam willfully broke the cease fire agreement with the US and the UN. Secondly, you didn't mention Israel originally, so I didn't address that. So there is a difference in sernario's. point to ya for trying..
Popo wrote;
Saddam had killed over a million of his own people.
How much just cause is cause enough?
Yes, he did. You forget though that he accomplished this by using weapons sold to him by the United States. Not only that, Iraq was an ally during the 80's. We didn't seem to care back then.
I didn't forget, not at all, Hussein didn't kill the million people with only weapons sold to him by the USA, others like China, Russia, France and Germany and so on, at one time he was an allie, a couple of things, one he wasn't slaughtering them like he was in the late 90's and early 2000's, his focus was more on the war with Iran back then. Lest we forget we became closer allies with Saddam after the hostage situation in Iran, along with the Shaw situation.So the comparison is not that simple.
Popo wrote;
That's not what this scripture is saying.. I was talking about all those who are slothful as I wrote..your adding other things in hope to make a point. The above scripture is referring to helping those who can't help their self...no has a problem with that, but we have millions who are able but just won't work because it's easier to stay home and let others work for them.
I gotta tell you popo... I don't recall christ making such a distinction. Please correct me if i'm wrong. And besides, who decides who among the poor is simply being "slothful"?
Of course he didn't in that way, there was no welfare programs back then, Men worked at what ever it was they did by trade or otherwise, and the women minded the houses and children. So he had no referrence point, other then those whom were blind disabled or unable to tend and fend for themselves.
Our Government who takes our taxs should be responsible for determining who's capable and who's not, since their capable of taking our money, they need to be responsible in the distribution of it. If you Google Welfare Fraud, you will clearly see it's not just a few, it's many it's not just millions, it's billions, if the truth be told it may top a trillion, if it doesn't already.I believe it does, I just don't have the facts here in front of me. I have known many over my life time who have abused the system, I'm all for helping those in need, and gladly pay taxs for their support, I came from welfare, my Mother was disabled trying to raise 3 boys alone, so I understand and can appreciate welfare first hand. I was raised in the Ghetto's and Varrio's of South Central L.A. and East L.A. I understand being hungry and where is the next meal coming from, as well as fearing not having a roof over our head.
Not to mention the drive by's and gang fighting. 
I understand poverty as well as anyone who actually lived it..I still have the tats from the gang I was in..schitt they now have a web site you can go too.. you can Google "Artesia Varrio" Mi Varrio Por Vida that's where the name Popo came from it was El Popo de Varrio Artesia...When your jumped into a Mexican gang, they tag you with a nick name...My homies gave me that name because of a volcano down in Mexico that errupts without notice and reaks havoc on the people..Thus El Popo was the name given to me.
anyway, I didn't mean to side track the blog with my personal back drop, but I just wanted you to know that I don't live in a glass house..
Popo
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edthepoet
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Jun 30 @ 10:11PM
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Russia killed over 25 million people, China in the past, killed over 50 million during the Ming Dynasty and were borrowing money like crazy from them and helping them build the most powerful military in the future by doing so.
How easily we forget, we have so interfered with Iran gov't, then we gave billions of dollars for Saddam to kill them, not to mention the poison gas and other weapons to kill the Iran people. Then when saddam doesn't want to play with us by doing our dirty work, we go after him too.
Look at Panama, The Philippines and other South American countries who didn't want to do our dirty work anymore, gone are all those leaders.
Israel is very important to us for many reasons.
Now, what is ashame, the only way to keep power is to abuse it, sadly.
Check the history books, nice countries don't last long.
If we don't want to be overthrown, we must do things that are morally wrong.
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POPO
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Jul 1 @ 9:18AM
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Then when saddam doesn't want to play with us by doing our dirty work, we go after him too.
Totally false.....Dessert Storm was inacted by the UN because Saddam invaded Kuwatti, that war was never ended, it was suspended based on Saddams compliance with the UN resolutions, which he defiled as soon as the UN/US troops were out of his sight.
Please atleast deal in facts not lap dog sound bites..
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skyscraper948
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Jul 1 @ 9:25AM
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Totally false.....Dessert Storm was inacted by the UN because Saddam invaded Kuwatti, that war was never ended, it was suspended based on Saddams compliance with the UN resolutions, which he defiled as soon as the UN/US troops were out of his sight.
Please atleast deal in facts not lap dog sound bites..
Why POPO do you suppose the U.S. gave a sh*t about Kuwait being invaded by Saddam Hussein. Kuwait was not an ally per se. That war was based on lies as well. They just did a better job at hiding it. I'll tell you exactly why.... because the U.S. never really cared for the fact that when Hussein came to power, he nationalized Iraq's oil reserves and cut US and british companies out of the profits. That never really sat right with us. The only reason we didn't invade during the 80's was the iran/iraq war, which iraq conveniently fought for us. You have been scammed sir.
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kjac
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Jul 1 @ 9:36AM
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No offense sky, but you're accusing someone of being duped on a blog written about someone who cannot be proven to have ever existed.
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skyscraper948
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Jul 1 @ 9:50AM
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No offense sky, but you're accusing someone of being duped on a blog written about someone who cannot be proven to have ever existed.
None taken... my blog never addressed whether Jesus actually existed or not. That's for a different blog. It simply addresses his teachings.
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zanie
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Jul 1 @ 11:45AM
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Well, one can see you have not a clue about Christ,you take His word out of context, Jesus was not a liberal. You had better seek Him for the last days are upon us and you will surely burn in hell.
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skyscraper948
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Jul 1 @ 12:58PM
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Well, one can see you have not a clue about Christ,you take His word out of context, Jesus was not a liberal. You had better seek Him for the last days are upon us and you will surely burn in hell.
oh goodness... umm zanie... your comment made me think of one of my favorite verse from the bible...
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Matthew 7:15-16
Think about it Zanie because Jesus also said...
Matt 7:2-5 "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged [if we judge with an evil heart or dark intent, His judgment of us will reflect it; if we judge nobly with honesty and justice, His judgment of us will reflect that, too], and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you [if we use extremes or exaggerations or other ignoble means, our judgment will reflect it and judging with fairness and compassion will garner likewise in His judgment of us].
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skyscraper948
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Jul 1 @ 1:32PM
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You had better seek Him for the last days are upon us
This also reminds me of my favorite quote from Forrest Gump...
Lt. Dan: "Have you found Jesus, Gump?"
Forrest: "I didn't know i was supposed to be lookin for him, sir."
Gotta love the Born again christians.
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RightWingRepublican
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Jul 1 @ 4:59PM
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Sky,
I have a few beers in me and i'm ready to slap you around.
Get off the computer and get out of my basement. It's ass kicking time.
go to my room and stay there till i get home.
I believe there may be some sexual tension between us. if you let me beat you up, it may make it easier between us.
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skyscraper948
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Jul 1 @ 5:39PM
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Sky,
I have a few beers in me and i'm ready to slap you around.
Get off the computer and get out of my basement. It's ass kicking time.
go to my room and stay there till i get home.
I believe there may be some sexual tension between us. if you let me beat you up, it may make it easier between us.
Note to self: If you ever meet RWR (which is highly unlikely)... bring beer... plenty of beer.
omg... seriously though, this is the hottest thing anyone has said to me in a while.
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Josuha
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Jul 1 @ 5:49PM
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Makes one wonder, just what 'bible' people use, to justify thinking you can't be a liberal and christian.
Working..2 Thessalonians 3
"We were not idle when we were with you, 8nor did we eat anyone's food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to make ourselves a model for you to follow. 10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."
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skyscraper948
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Jul 1 @ 6:24PM
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Working..2 Thessalonians 3
"We were not idle when we were with you, 8nor did we eat anyone's food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to make ourselves a model for you to follow. 10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."
these are not the words of jesus... but of course... i agree that people who are slothful should not be helped in being slothful by society. However, I believe that conservatives tend to overestimate the amount of poor people who are poor simply because they are slothful. I think that they may be the exception, rather than the rule.
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burnslikethesun
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Jul 1 @ 9:33PM
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Awesome Blog.
Kudos 4 U
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HopelesslyHopeful
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Jul 2 @ 12:38AM
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Jesus was a Monarchist, and is now the King; so, obviously, he's still all for it.
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skyscraper948
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Jul 2 @ 9:15AM
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Perhaps the title of this blog was ill conceived... it probably should have been something like...
"Jesus Had Many Liberal Views... Deal With It"
My apologies.
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