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A philosophical, scientific question about God written to a blogger

posted 8/27/2009 9:56:01 PM |
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  Always_Striving

After reading your profile I was wondering if you would answer a question for me.

I saw that Quantum Mechanics was on your list of interests.
You also have a lot of references to Spirituality.

My understanding about Quantum Mechanics, in a nut shell, is that it breaks everything down to the infinitesimal and attempts to go further.

My view of God is that God is not an entity but God is everything.

God is the universe.
God is everything known, and God is also not meant to be understood.
God is everything that has happened, everything which is occurring everywhere, and everything which will occur in the future.
This is the reason why God cannot clearly be understood.

I believe that God created Quantum Mechanics for humanity to discover.
You seem to have a grasp on that as well as spiritualism.

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So tell me where you believe conscious thought and self-awareness come from?
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Quantum Mechanics can certainly explain space and time and the universal forces but how does it explain self-awareness and the thought process?

I believe that self awareness and the thought process go beyond the electro-chemical physics of our brain functions...i.e. dendrite cellular reinforcement due to cause and effect experiences as explained by scientists in the fields of neurology studies.

I believe that self awareness is an incomprehensible Godly force.
I do not see self-awareness as an evolutionary adaptation....Ex: like how a tree strives to live in response to environmental factors of sunlight and weather, or even its defensive measures to counteract insect invasion.
Trees, apparently, do not possess brains but they do respond to their environment as if they might possess a self-awareness trait for survival.
Plant life does use photosynthesis which happens to be an electro-chemical process much like our brains synthesize as a reaction to help us survive.
Plants also pollenate in response to an inherited or pre-programmed procreational instinct (if we want to call it that) but I still do not think of that example as possessing self-awareness traits.

Philosopher, mathematician, and scientist - René Descartes used the famous quote "Cogito, ergo sum", translated: "I think, therefore I am".

Do you think that he viewed God in the same way in which I do by what I have explained and questioned?

Is self-awareness an unexplainable Godly factor beyond the limitations of the science of Quantum Mechanics?

Will you answer my question?

Thank you

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Comments:
lucy8

Aug 27 @ 10:19PM  
The Osho Mediation centre is a place for self awareness, meditation and rejuvenating celebrations. We welcome people on path to take part in our initiatives.

lucy8

Aug 27 @ 10:26PM  
You have to participate in courses, meditate, develop self awareness and simply take time out from your busy lives to focus on inner growth.
lucy8

Aug 27 @ 10:44PM  
After reading your profile I know you would understand

1.lesson

Osho - I have told you the story of Ramakrishna and Keshav Chandra Sen. Keshav Chandra was one of the most intelligent people of his time. He founded a religion just on his intellectual philosophy, brahmasamaj, the society for God. And he had hundreds and thousands of intelligent people, a very intelligent group, as his followers. And he was puzzled that this uneducated Ramakrishna, who had not even completed the primary school – in India the primary school, the lowest school, takes four years; he had done only half.... Why were thousands of people going to this idiot?

That was in Keshav Chandra Sen’s mind. Finally he decided he had to go and defeat this man, because he could not think that the man could not be defeated by argument. That was impossible for him to imagine. This idiot from a small village is collecting thousands of people every day! From far and wide people are coming to see him, and to touch his feet!
Keshav Chandra with his followers informed Ramakrishna: ”I am coming on such and such a day to challenge you on every point in which you believe. Be ready!” Ramakrishna’s followers were very much afraid.

They knew Keshav Chandra was a great logician; poor Ramakrishna would not be able to answer anything. But Ramakrishna was very joyful, he danced. He said, ”I have been waiting all this time. When Keshav Chandra comes that will be a great day of joy!”

His disciples said, ”What are you saying? That will be a day of great sadness, because you cannot argue with him.”

Ramakrishna said, ”Wait. Who is going to argue with him? I don’t need to argue. Let him come.” But his disciples were shaky, very shaky, very much afraid that their master was going to be defeated, completely crushed. They knew Keshav Chandra. In that century there was no parallel to Keshav Chandra’s intelligence in this country.

And Keshav Chandra came with one hundred of his topmost disciples to see the argument, the debate, the challenge. Ramakrishna was standing on the road to receive him, far away from the temple where he used to live. And he hugged Keshav Chandra. And Keshav Chandra felt a little embarrassed, and that embarrassment went on growing.

Ramakrishna took his hand in his hand and took him inside. He said, ”I have been waiting and waiting for years. Why did you not come before?”

Keshav Chandra said, ”He seems to be a strange man, seems not to be afraid at all. Do you understand? I have come here for a discussion!”

Ramakrishna said, ”Of course.”

So they sat near the temple by the side of the Ganges, a beautiful place, under a tree.

And Ramakrishna said, ”Start.”

So Keshav Chandra asked him, ”What do you say about God?”
Ramakrishna said, ”Have I to say anything about God? Can’t you see God in my eyes?”

Keshav Chandra looked a little puzzled – ”What kind of argument is this?”
And Ramakrishna said, ”Can’t you feel God in my hand? Come closer, boy.”

And Keshav Chandra said, ”What kind of argument...?” He had been in many debates, he had defeated many great scholars, and this villager... In Hindi the word for idiot is gamar, but it actually means the villager. gaon means village, and gamar means from the village. But gamar is used as stupid, retarded, idiot.

Ramakrishna said, ”If you can understand the language of my eyes, if you can understand the energy of my hand, you are proof enough that existence is intelligent. Where have you got your intelligence from?”

This was a grand argument. He was saying, ”If you have got this great intelligence – and I know you are a highly intelligent person; I have always loved you – tell me from where it comes? If existence is without intelligence you cannot get it. From where? You are the proof that existence is intelligent, and that is what I mean by God. To me God is not somebody sitting on a cloud. To me God simply means existence is not unintelligent. It is an intelligent universe; we belong and we are needed. It rejoices in our rejoicings, it celebrates in our celebrations, it dances with our dance. Have you seen my dance?” – and he started dancing.

Keshav Chandra said, ”What to do!” But he danced so beautifully. He was a good dancer, because he used to dance in the temple sometimes from morning till evening – no coffee break! He would dance and dance till he would fall on the ground.

So he started dancing with such joy and such grace that suddenly there was a transformation in Keshav Chandra. He forgot all his logic, he saw the beauty of this man, he saw the splendor of this man, he saw a joy which he had never felt.
All that intellect, all those arguments were just superficial, inside there was utter emptiness. This man was so overflowing.

He touched the feet of Ramakrishna and said, ”Forgive me. I was absolutely wrong about you. I know nothing, and I have been just philosophizing. You know everything, and you are not saying a single word.”

Ramakrishna said, ”I will forgive you only on one condition.”
Keshav Chandra said, ”Any condition from your side. I am ready.”

Ramakrishna said, ”The condition is that once in a while you have to come to discuss with me, to debate with me, to challenge me.”

This is the way of a mystic; and Keshav Chandra was completely finished. He became a totally different man; he started to come every day. Soon his disciples deserted him: ”He has gone mad. That madman infected him so much. There was only one madman, now there are two. He is even dancing with him.”

But Keshav Chandra, who had been a sad man, grudging, complaining about everything, because he was living in a negative space, suddenly blossomed, flowers came to his being, a new fragrance. He forgot all logic. This man helped him have a taste of something that is beyond mind. Zen is the method to go beyond mind. So we will be discussing God and Zen together. God has to be negated, and Zen has to be planted deep in your being. The lie has to be destroyed and the truth has to be revealed. That’s why I have chosen God and Zen together. God is a lie, Zen is a truth.
Always_Striving

Aug 27 @ 11:20PM  
^ That is thought provoking, I will revisit this blog on occasion.

Thank you for your insight lucy8. I did investigate internet references to the Osho Meditation centre.
lucy8

Aug 28 @ 5:20AM  
dizzydoll

Aug 28 @ 4:52PM  
for some reason i missed your blog.... i have found this very informative as well. a well written blog and excellent comments
dizzydoll

Aug 28 @ 5:04PM  
"I think, therefore I am"

Osho knocks this statement completely.... in fact he teaches you to still your brain to stop thinking. But you will discover this and so much more in this chapter of your growth
lucy8

Sep 6 @ 10:44AM  
http://videos.matchdoctor.com/56241/Ambition_to_Meaning_Finding_your_Life_s_Purposes_PART_13_FINAL.html

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A philosophical, scientific question about God written to a blogger