This is one of the reasons why women are not yet liberated, because they cannot become a force together. They sympathize with the man; their sympathy is not for other women. With other women they have a relationship only of jealousy -- if she has better clothes, if she has better ornaments, if she has a good car, if she has a better house. Their only relationship with other women is of jealousy. But if every woman is jealous of every other woman, then naturally this is one of the fundamental causes of their slavery.
They cannot become a force; otherwise they are half the number of people -- they could have managed to become liberated long ago. Any time they wanted to be liberated there was nothing to prevent them. They are their own enemies. One thing every woman has to remember is that man has divided you in such a cunning way that you can never become a force. You are jealous of each other; you don't have any sympathy for each other. You would rather sympathize with men -- not your man of course! It has to be somebody else's man
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Osho
I would like to add, no sooner was this blog posted when two sexually explicit blogs were posted. One called, Do all men cheat? and the other Orgasmic ??(dont recall). Anyway, these two blogs were up for a long time... revealing a lot about the blogger and the commentors. Its a pity these blogs were removed..... 
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lucy8
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Aug 29 @ 6:56PM
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gunn12fan
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Aug 29 @ 7:22PM
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silksox
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Aug 29 @ 7:37PM
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~AMEN~
& a kudo
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leprichaun_magic
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Aug 29 @ 7:47PM
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.. cleverly written .. kudos :)
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dizzydoll
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Aug 29 @ 7:49PM
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thank you all... its Osho's clever writing 
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travelwoman
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Aug 29 @ 8:17PM
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Oh, and then there is the "victim syndrom" and she needs to be "saved" by a man..... instead of asking advice and support from other women....
And there is greed, and "the man" is supposed to provide for that.... and therefore she would rather do most anything to please the man, than let go of the greed. Which greed has of course a lot to do with peeking what the neighboring females might "have"....
I grew up in a place where women were much more liberated than here.
Here, some women act like men, "throw their weight around", talk bad language, drive big pick-ups (downtown....), etc.... But when you look closer, these women are still not liberated.
Worse.... they don't even have the beginning of a clue what liberated might mean..
It certainly does NOT mean having three jobs while raising 5 kids and making sure hubby's ice cold beer gets to him when he "unwinds" on the couch......
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RainSongSpirit
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Aug 29 @ 8:44PM
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peace 
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dizzydoll
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Aug 30 @ 3:16AM
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excellent reply travelwoman.... and a nice addition to help women see the mistakes they make
its amazing how much disrespect for women this blog has revealed by just the surrounding blogs.... keep a open eye ladies, now you see who the gents are  ... and who are not 
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ragtopcookie
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Aug 30 @ 4:30AM
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I read this blog last nite.......and again this morning.....and im still not sure what you mean by liberation......if it means not allowing your man to domonate you.....or coweling down to your man......i understand.....but then....you go on about being jealous of other women....and then talk about slavery.....so is it the fact that women need to rise above all of this......and join others that are also above this.....or is it the fact that women wont......and they are destined to repeat this over and over again......or are you talking about a few that wont see this is how they are....or how they are acting towards other women.....maybe this message is not meant for us guys.....or its a direct slam towards somebody.....anyway...confusion sets in....... .....cookie
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dizzydoll
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Aug 30 @ 7:01AM
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cookie... thanks for asking.
the message Osho is giving is that women will continue to be slaves as long as they work against each other or are jealous to each other... it certainly doesnt mean this applies to all women. It simple warns women to this as well as becoming aware that men are also capable of keeping you off balance by fueling women to act against each other.
But then again, you can interpret the message they way you see fit.... thats the great thing about spiritual awareness, we are all on a different path to our own individual journey of awakening. 
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observed50
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Aug 30 @ 8:40AM
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May I suggest a different way of looking at this?
Note that the Osho piece places women in some sort of juxtaposition in their power, with men. It sits rooted in a Western motion of so often thinking...'two sides'...to everything. If women need liberated, they must need liberated from something, from someone. Who or what is the someone? Why...it is man...males...that have cunningly divided them one from the other.
If life was so simple as to be simply good and bad, white and black, happy or sad, we could probably do a lot more to improve our lot. Then 'just stop!' makes sense...on and off...another dichotomous relationship.
But there is nothing in the universe of that level of simplicity. Not even dying. Is an late stage Alzheimer patient alive? Biologically, yes. Persona? No. Person we knew. Not really. But we see the person we knew...we just can't interact with them. Not even in death, is there simple dichotomies. How about gender? Nope...1 in 10,000 children are born with genital anomalies with many so significant, that it requires decisions as to gender assignment. Regardless of genital clarity, many children are still born with brains that want to function in another gender.
Both genders have hammered out seemingly dysfunctional roles based on differences in physical power and breeding capacity that are differentially distributed. Men as hunters, women as gatherers. Women as breeder capacity, men as free-wheeling seed producers. And then with differential power and differential capacity, a need to overlay it with ideology so we can explain why women get paid less, get treated poorly, and so on.
But the ideology also has to explain why men have to be warriors, and bread winners and all those things that result in earlier deaths for them.
In societies practicing female circumcision, that is a practice almost entirely overseen and enforced by females, to ensure their daughters can marry some equally socially manipulated dude who thinks a woman shouldn't scream from pleasure, but rather from pain. Watch the socialization of girls in the US...mothers driving girls to be 'girls' instead of humans.
The complexity of social systems cannot be approached as if liberation is from another...it is from a herd that has both genetic and social mechanisms driving its dysfunction. This isn't about uniting women, or uniting men.
Liberation requires the ending of one's complicity with the herd's desire to make today look like yesterday. Part of that tradition, is thinking there is an 'us' and a 'them'....a dichotomy that can be attacked from one side.
But that side is also the other side...it is one. It doesn't exist without the other. Not dichotomous...but who we are...one.
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hoftner
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Aug 30 @ 11:10AM
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well, doll "goosebumps"
I am a Man, " I don't want ya all divided"
I think maybe it's the Estogen: thats the culprit
~just sayin~
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dizzydoll
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Aug 30 @ 11:49AM
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Observed: thanks for your observations. However, Osho's message, this one, is targeted at all cultures not just western cultures.
In fact, he was the biggest critic of the Indian culture and how their women were treated and divided by men, ie mothers/daughters in-law are a perfect example.... furthermore, the arab culture could improve in leaps and bounds if they saw more value in women and were not so threatened by them
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lucy8
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Aug 30 @ 12:08PM
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Woman certainly needs a great liberation, but what is happening in the name of liberation is stupid. It is imitation, it is not liberation. Here there are many women who have been in the Liberation movement, and when for the first time they come here they are very aggressive. And I can understand their aggression: centuries and centuries of domination have made them violent. It is a simple revenge. They have become insane, and nobody is responsible except man. But slowly slowly, they soften, they become graceful; their aggressiveness disappears.
They become, for the first time, feminine. Real liberation will make the woman authentically a woman, not an imitation of man. Right now that's what is happening: women are trying to be just like men. If men smoke cigarettes then the woman has to smoke cigarettes. If they wear pants then the woman has to wear pants. If they do a certain thing then the woman has to do that. She is just becoming a second-rate man.
This is not liberation, this is a far deeper slavery -- far deeper because the first slavery was imposed by men; this second slavery is deeper because it is created by the women themselves. And when somebody else imposes a slavery on you, you can rebel against it, but if you impose a slavery on yourself in the name of liberation, there is no possibility of rebellion ever. I would like the woman to become really a woman, because much depends on her.
She is far more important than man because she carries in her womb both the woman and the man, and she mothers both, the boy and the girl; she nourishes both. If she is poisoned then her milk is poisoned, then her ways of bringing up children are poisoned. If the woman is not free to be really a woman, man will never be free to be really a man either. The freedom of woman is a must for the freedom of man; it is more fundamental than man's freedom.
And if the woman is a slave -- as she has been for centuries -- she will make a slave of man too, in very subtle ways; her ways are subtle. She will not fight with you directly; her fight will be indirect, it will be feminine. She will cry and weep. She will not hit you, she will hit herself, and through hitting herself, through crying and weeping, through using these Gandhian methods, she will dominate you.
Even the strongest man becomes henpecked. A very thin, weak woman can dominate a very strong man simply by using Gandhian methods. Gandhi is not the inventor of those methods; they have been used for centuries by women He simply rediscovered them and used them politically.
The woman has been using them for centuries, but only in a family context. The woman needs total freedom so that she can give freedom to man too. This is one of the fundamentals to be remembered: if you make somebody a slave you will be reduced to slavery ultimately, finally; you can't remain free. If you want to remain free, give freedom to others; that's the only way to be free.
.................but then again, you can interpret the message they way you see fit.
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observed50
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Aug 30 @ 12:27PM
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Doll> My comments weren't about Osho's criticism being 'of' Western culture, but 'from' Western cultural roots of analysis...or creating dichotomies of everything.
In that manner, regardless of whether its Saudi Arabia, India or New York City, the analysis pushes the observer to see groups in opposition, instead of groups in symbiosis.
Seemingly oppressive systems always succeed because of the complicity of the oppressed. The deeply enduring successful ones come to have the complicity so deeply engrained, that the seemingly oppressed both train and enforce their similar others to take on the yoke of oppression as if it is the mantle of the blessed. Think of how many mothers have trained their daughters to protect their 'reputation', and how women think of each other as sluts and whores, so that women lose access to their sexuality as theirs. Instead, it belongs to a valuable male, or the community's who either approves of her keeping her legs closed, or isolates her in family and community because she opens her legs too willingly.
At the same time, men who experience war as hell and the stupidity, brutality and inane injustice of it, nonetheless line up to ensure their sons put on uniforms to do it all over again...warriors without end.
All so we can each fit in, belong, be a member in good standing...in our desired identity herd.
You'll approve of me as a warrior, even if you have to have a glory parade for me and carry my coffin flag, and I will offer you marriage because not every Tom has stuck his hairy dick in ya.
Makes a lot of sense to me!
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dizzydoll
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Aug 30 @ 12:39PM
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Observed: i agree with you wholeheartedly... you might have noticed we have another expert blogger about Osho on this site, who is focusing on biochemical warfare as if Osho condoned such a violent act... having said that, Osho was a rebel and so he would attract likeminded followers... and like every follower, some are just plain evil in the hope of achieving glory
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duwant1
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Aug 30 @ 2:42PM
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