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posted 10/29/2009 1:34:47 PM |
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I bought a bird feeder. I hung it on my back porch and filled it with seed. Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous flow of free and easily accessible food. But then the birds started building nests in the boards of the patio, above the table, and next to the barbecue.

Then came the poop. It was everywhere: on the patio tile, the chairs, and the table...everywhere. Then some of the birds turned mean: They would dive bomb me and try to peck me even though I had fed them out of my own pocket. And others birds were boisterous and loud: They sat on the feeder and squawked and screamed at all hours of the day and night and demanded that I fill it when it got low on food..

After a while, I couldn't even sit on my own back porch anymore. I took down the bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone. I cleaned up their mess and took down the many nests they had built all over the patio. Soon, the back yard was like it used to be...quiet, serene and no one demanding their rights to a free meal

.-- unknown

"I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer."
-- Benjamin Franklin


You don't see weak animals in nature run up to strong animals and ask them to catch their dinner for them. No! They either starve to death or they learn how to catch their own dinner. Don't you think that nature might have it right and we are wrong?
-- Reece Williamson

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Comments:
RightWingRepublican

Oct 29 @ 1:50PM  
Great quotes.
I support helping other people for sure. Not just handing them money and leaving it to them though. If they need clothes, buy them clothes. Don't assume the cash you're giving is going towards clothes.
I wish there was an answer to the poverty in this world. No one should go hungry or homeless this day and age. It's sickening and sad. With all that we have, no one should go to bed hungry. ever.
Blaiserboy

Oct 29 @ 2:16PM  
Without knowing and understanding the circumstances of poverty it would be very difficult to know that we can not feel obligated to feed others.

From what I have seen, there is definitely a reluctance to provide employment to certain groups of people and that may well contribute to their poverty.

As well, there is a reluctance to provide education to certain people....

And a reluctance to provide health care to certain people......

I wonder if a reluctance to share the wealth contributes to poverty, it could be that the reluctance to share has caused a liability that has to be dealt with by means of welfare.

If we were to gather statistics as to who the people are that are depending on society for support, we may well find a strong correlation between them and the people that we discriminate against in employment, health care, education and opportunity.

There are few people that actually want to be dependent..... there are many who are denied opportunity.

In other words, solutions are there to be found, we have to adjust our thinking somewhat to see what may be right in front of us.
burnslikethesun

Oct 29 @ 2:32PM  
I thought it was Christian like to open your doors to all thats in need?

Where in the bible does it say you must prescreen them first?
It does say something about give a man a fish versus teaching him to fish and all. Sooo
what are you doing to teach them how to fish? Writing a blog to bitch about helping others?
Nope doesn't count.

Some will never get it.
But all will hold their hands out begging for Gods great mercy.

CentsofHumor

Oct 29 @ 3:13PM  


From what I have seen, there is definitely a reluctance to provide employment to certain groups of people and that may well contribute to their poverty.

You must have missed the front page photo..of some "Bum" holding a sign,
"Willing to work for food", whilst stand on the road in front of a "Wendys'..that
has a billboard sign posted: ..."Help Wanted"..FT/PT Ben Franklin was
spot on !!!..
willy3411

Oct 29 @ 4:08PM  
I thought it was Christian like to open your doors to all thats in need

It is. You have to define who really needs it and who is milking the system. Nothing burns my behind more than a person in a convenience store using their food stamps card for slurpees, candy, and twinkies. I pay my taxes and these bums are freeloading off of me.
ttomtarr

Oct 29 @ 4:40PM  
Individuals may move ahead, but do you really think that the whole lower class can move into the middle class.

Are the schools, jobs, and infrastructure there? The class that controls those jobs AND also controls the government has done much to see that the jobs are no longer available in the USA.
Sherrybaby412

Oct 29 @ 5:05PM  
You must have missed the front page photo..of some "Bum" holding a sign,
"Willing to work for food", whilst stand on the road in front of a "Wendys'..that
has a billboard sign posted: ..."Help Wanted"..FT/PT Ben Franklin was
spot on !!!..

Seriously how man people would hire a homeless person? Someone who doesn't have a change of clothes, a place to bathe, etc.

I also doubt very many homeless people are getting welfare.

On the other hand, you have too many lifers in the welfare system. Their grandparents, parents and now they are in there. The welfare system was set up and should be a stepping stone to independence. Not something to use for the rest of your life.

My ex-in-laws moved into government housing aka the projects in 1945 just after he got out of the military. Their neighbors? Sam Walton. MY in laws saved for a couple of years and were able to buy their first home. They are currently worth a good amount of money. See a step up.

Some people are happy being on welfare. Others are not. For those that are not, there needs to be more direction on how to step up.
GreatOakofPlenty

Oct 29 @ 5:41PM  
It' s important to note that "Welfare" and "Food Stamps" are two different programs. You're right that "starvation is a great motivator". Unfortunately in a westernized society... it doesn't motivate people to become engineers, doctors, financial services geniuses, or mathematicians. And if said people have children.. it does even less for them. These programs should not be overused, abused, defrauded, or become the way of life for multiple generations so they should be accompanied by good monitoring and oversight, but The "Bums" you refer to include farmers, food companies, grocery retailers, financial institutions that are EBT vendors, and the food bank and food pantry network including church and charitable groups who help families out with their nutrition.

Food Stamps are a government subsidy that greases the MARKET FOR FOOD.. farmers grow and plant... companies build tractors and farm equipment.. truckers deliver food to markets.. markets keep the shelves stocked .. and poor people, handicapped people, sick people, and people who just took a pay cut or have lost a job.. INSTEAD of selling everything they own and hopping on a truck to California a la the Grapes of Wrath... get some support to keep going to the supermarket to buy needed food.. spurring and maintaining demand for staples like meat, fish, dairy, and vegetables that our farmers grow directly and as you observe some of the less valuable junk food that is also a LARGE sector of our nation's economy. So the government gives this subsidy to people so they will PURCHASE FOOD from the big businesses run by people who would not tolerate you referring to THEM as "bums". This keeps a floor under the people closest to the bottom of our economy.

Most who support Food Stamps would love to see it be more flexible and more generous with its benefits too. Particularly in times like these when people who had enough money last year are suddenly facing job layoffs or a spouse losing a jo or students who are in college who may be unable to buy into a school's meal plan. Just like unemployment benefits... food stamps could provide a boost to these people during this school year or downturn and perhaps help them tread water as the recovery generates. OR maybe they would do as you'd prefer them to do. Experience the "Creative Destruction" favored by conservatives in which they sell their house, depressing the real estate market, tighten their belts and restrict spending, putting coffee shops, hairdressers, plumbers, and home repair folks out of business, move to another area of the country, take any job even those they are overly qualified for squeezing out entry level job seekers, and, when the economy recovers, the area where they used to live will now struggle with having to pay a premium to find and locate qualified workers thus driving up the cost of labor.

So.. the government years ago figured... farmers grow food, transporters deliver it, retailers sell it and people eat it... but if every downturn of 5 or 10 percent disrupts this system... then maybe it is a good idea if all of us taxpayers contribute to a system where, when these downturns occur, we help keep people in place and maintaining an active engagement in the consumer economy. It mustn't be forever.. it shouldn't serve to subsidize and enshrine poverty in people's lives for multiple generations... it shouldn't become the way people get used to providing their own food.. that's true.. but it SHOULD be something that people aren't ashamed to use when they need to and folks should buy the occasional Twinkie or two at a grocers when they are on shopping day with their kids though a bag of whole grain flour and eggs might be a better purchase.
ttomtarr

Oct 29 @ 6:09PM  
Is no one going to mention welfare for millionaires and billionaires?

Forget Grandpaw Farmer in his straw hat. Modern farmers sit in corporate offices, figuring out yet additional ways to increase the millions they are already getting in corporate welfare.

Do names like GM and Bank of America ring any bells? They don't stand in lines, but they definately have their hand out for more, and get welfare that is more than some whole cities receive.

Here in Florida, Arvita (read Dupont) got millions in "development grants" so the taxpayers paid for corporate welfare to build roads and infrastructure for Arvita's real estate development. Pure welfare, and millions. Oh, did I mention brothers Jeb and George Bush are both big Arvita stockholders? Did their sign read "Will pull strings for millions, God Bless?

How about over 10 millions in stimulus money to stimulate the brazilian oil investments of the billionaire funder of MoveON?

The examples of corporate welfare are countless.

Reagan promised trickle down money for the rich that trickled into their bank accounts and stayed there. Maybe hungry people will trickle their money into food stores and for rent.
lovestobake

Oct 29 @ 7:06PM  
Couldn't agree more, but; 2 wrongs do not make a right.
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