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Computer makers in China have been instructed to pre-install blocking software on every PC hard drive from next month, under a government push to control access to the internet.
The new software, which has been developed by companies working with the Chinese military, is specifically aimed at restricting online pornography, but it could also be used to strengthen barriers to politically sensitive websites. China's authorities currently block overseas-based sites they disapprove of.
Control over domestic servers is applied through instructions to content providers and search engines, which must self-censor to stay in business. The new software – called Green Dam Youth Escort – potentially adds a powerful new tool at the level of the individual computer. It updates a list of forbidden sites from an online database, much as network security programs automatically download the latest defences against new worms, trojans and viruses.
The software, designed to work with the Microsoft Windows operating system, also collects private user data. Optional programs that allow parents to restrict internet access by their children have existed for some time, but this is the first time the government has instructed that every computer be installed with a single centralised system.
China's ministry of industry and information technology issued a notice to personal computer-makers on 19 May that every machine sold from 1 July must be preloaded with the software. Last year 40m PCs were sold in China, the world's second biggest market after the US.
According to the Wall Street Journal, the notice says the move aims to "construct a green, healthy and harmonious internet environment, and prevent harmful information on the internet from influencing and poisoning young people". PC makers and the providers of Green Dam are required to report periodically to the ministry about sales figures and the number of copies installed. For at least the first year the software will be free.
A separate instruction on the ministry's website obliged schools to install Green Dam on every computer in their institutions by the end of last month. The software was developed by Jinhui Computer System Engineering in Henan under a 21m yuan (£2.2m) deal with the government.
Bryan Zhang, the founder of Jinhui, told reporters his company was compiling a database of forbidden sites, all related to pornography. China periodically launches campaigns against online porn.
In the latest drive more than 1,900 websites have been shut down and search engines, such as Google and Baidu, have been castigated for failing to self-regulate. Last week the authorities blocked Twitter and Hotmail in the run-up to the 20th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square crackdown.
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dizzydoll
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Nov 4 @ 4:15PM
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I think the whole world should follow their example. 
It cant be all that bad and if the rest of the world had to follow then big companies who live off porn today would have to find other ways to earn their income. 
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texasblues
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Nov 4 @ 4:34PM
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That kind of a double edge sword. It would be good to be rid of the porn sites but I hate to see the goverment get involved in it world wide. Because you never what they would do with that power next.
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dizzydoll
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Nov 4 @ 4:39PM
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Well as long as its for a good cause why concern yourself if they do get involved.
In other words, governments stepped in to ban the fur trade. Did you argue about that too? So how would this be any different?
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gunn12fan
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Nov 4 @ 4:54PM
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Wow
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moon_watcher53
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Nov 4 @ 4:59PM
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The whole world could adopt many of China's practices and make this a much better and safer place to live. I like their way of dressing all the school kids in the same attire. Their form of justice is swift without appeal after appeal. And even tho the USA is supposedly the 'richest country' with trillions of $$ in debt to China, why isn't China in debt ??
The USA lives in constant fear of more killings in the schools and colleges whereas China put a stop to such youthful demonstrations with the Tiananmen Square incident.
Peaceful demonstrations accomplish nothing, blood letting demonstrations will get the people's attention !!
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dizzydoll
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Nov 4 @ 5:08PM
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I agree with much of your comment moon, except about all the kids dressing the same. That sucks 
Other than that I do agree. There is no freedom without responsibility and the world has got neither freedom nor responsibility right now. Everybody works to pay bills, what freedom is that? The kids run wild, are sexually active far too early and carry guns to school. Parents are too preoccupied with themselves to care and if I was a child today I would probably also just want to get high. 
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bluewind37
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Nov 4 @ 5:13PM
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I think it's a great idea to pre install the software.
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1frantastic
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Nov 4 @ 6:07PM
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awwww ya mean it's ok for Big Brother to install "prevent Porn" blockers and then install "prevent Politics" blockers too?
and we won't even know it's happening cause they won't bother us with information as to what they are doing?
Oh man! how clever of Big Brother!
And to think "Green Solvent" to keep us alive was actually recycled from our family and friend's dead bodies...
Big Brother has our interest in mind..doesn't he???
It cant be all that bad and if the rest of the world had to follow then big companies who live off porn today would have to find other ways to earn their income. oh? NOT THAT BAD??? 
That kind of a double edge sword. It would be good to be rid of the porn sites but I hate to see the goverment get involved in it world wide. Because you never what they would do with that power next
exactly! the very point!
Well as long as its for a good cause why concern yourself if they do get involved.
BECAUSE their "good cause" may not be for YOUR GOOD! that's why!!! 
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dizzydoll
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Nov 4 @ 6:27PM
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Fran: So what are you saying you agree with porn online? And what did you say when big brother stopped the fur industy? Which they did, by the way, worldwide. Did you slam them for that too? Are children less valuable than those animals? Judging by the way parents look after them these days I suppose so
And when big brother stepped in to insist vehicle manufacturers make unleaded motorcars to clean up the environment? Was that all bad too? Are you saying that everything that big brother enforces is wrong even if it protects the kids?
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ElmerFudd445
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Nov 4 @ 6:29PM
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I have issues when it comes to freedom of speech in our country.. I DO understand the concern about some of the sites out there and there may be better ways to deal with the situation than censorship mandated by the government.. As with anything computers.. the article doesn't talk about black market computers, and software tweekers that can find there way around blocking software.. so it isn't a solve all answer.. Also.. what about the software themselves? There is a lot of porn software available out there... Have you ever been to Japan where a lot of porn software is available at local magazine stands (as well as the mags themselves), all in open sight of everyone! Anything like this kind of censorship would be a hard sell in the US when it takes away from our freedom of speech.. What's next? Religions they don't agree with? Most, like myself don't want the government noses in our business..
I do commend you for your stance believing this would help stop child molesters and abuse. But I don't think it will do much and I fear doing it in this way.. I think we need tougher laws and more convictions given to the molesters and abusers..
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Wing_Zero_75
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Nov 4 @ 6:42PM
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Its all about who controls the information. I think its more of a misguided approach at "if it shouldnt exist, then it doesnt. Also its a way of forcing a morality and perspective upon people. As some have mentioned, Tianamen square, and rightfully so. The chinese government forbids acsess to any and all information regarding that. They are trying to force a pure version of a society to themselves and the world, sound like Hitler much? Except this way, they are controling and vastly expanding media. Control the content and you can control ones thoughts. Keep them is a stupor promising a better life and that the government will take care of things, all you must do is your part. Nothing but gears in a machine. ............Kind of sounds like this country. china has planned expansion, conrtol over how many kids you can have, and now control over what flows in and out of the country. This isnt the first time something like this has happened with china. A couple years or so ago, google was having problems trying to get china to accept use of its browser. Google had to make certain consessions to be granted permission for use by the people.
This may be a glimpse of what is to come.
Larry
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dizzydoll
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Nov 4 @ 6:54PM
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Tony: Its easy and can be done. A chip can be installed in all new computers to block porn, and when it comes to older computers or computers that are built in garages, each computer has an ISP address and the ISP operator can provide a download link to be installed from the net within one month, failing which the internet service is blocked until that client downloads it the porn block.
Certain codes can be installed to prevent people from bypassing the porn block. When it comes to tweaking and running one computer through another, this could be prevented by making each ISP addresses tamper proof. ISP operators are also able to black list certain ISP addresses which works much like your debit card at the ATM, if that computer is tampered with. I have done my research, for good reason.
I am not talking about magazines, let people perve over those if they must. I am talking about all porn which includes 4 million child porn sites. Have you got any idea how many children are used to make sick people millionaires on 4 million child porn sites? If there are this many child porn sites on the net now, how many do you expect in 5 years time? And 10 years time? What about 30 years time?
When does it stop? I say the sooner the better.
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TripOnLove
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Nov 4 @ 6:58PM
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#1...This is not a blog but the usual copy and paste.
#2...It is proper to link to the source of the article you pasted and not paste the whole damn thing and make it seem like YOU have written it because it is quite OBVIOUS you did not.I have posted the link below.
#3...Now about the article...China has been blocking sites in that country for years and that will NEVER change.They can do what they want in their country.
#4...Here in the USA I am sure that the internet will ALWAYS be a wide open affair and that is how it should be.
#5...Porn is a big time moneymaker around the world( #1 in sites visited ) and there is no doubt it pays the bills and keeps tons of companies making a lot of cash.With that cash flowing from Porn sites it is keeping costs for internet providers at a reasonable rate and for sure saving the rest of us who use the internet big bucks because if porn ever goes away so will 10's of Millions of subscribers and Billions of dollars.
#6 So in closing...When my woman greets me at the door wearing only her "fur coat" and her birthday suit...Talk about having the best of both worlds !!!!!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/08/web-blocking-software-china
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1frantastic
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Nov 4 @ 7:00PM
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I am saying you believe someone is going to take care of you....and they may...and take care of your income and spend it like they want to...but only if you give them permission to....
I am saying...KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING O K TO!!!
I am saying when you give someone an inch...prevent them from taking a mile!
They didn't get to where they are by NOT putting their concerns first...and sometimes it is masked by being your concern also....
Don't be so naive that when the "nice man" offers you candy and a ride...that you are going to your safe home! Just because you "think so"...
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dizzydoll
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Nov 4 @ 7:09PM
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Trip: I gave an edited version of the article I read, so what.
Unlike you, I am more interested in ridding all porn from the net and preventing those companies from making more $$$ millions off little children, some as young as 3 years old, thank you.
And I never claimed to write this article anyway
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iglooo101
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Nov 4 @ 7:11PM
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dizzydoll,When does it stop? I say the sooner the better. Who can stop the "oldest profession" while there is "supply and demand"
South America is pleading with the USA to curb the demand for drugs in order to put brakes on its production . Again, supply and demad!!
If you dig deeper you will find the unholy alliance between drugs+sex+anything evil.
The volume of this alliance is in the trillions...enough to make everyone filthy rich...
Who can stop this machine?
Roman Catholic bishop facing child-pornography charges
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sawduster
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Nov 4 @ 7:37PM
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Well as long as its for a good cause why concern yourself if they do get involved.
pardon me, but that idea is exactly what has gotten this country in so much shit right now. the idea that it is for the common good is nothing but smoke and bullshit. period. the only ones it is good for is the ones that keep saying it. look beyond the words at the actions, the only ones such things are good for are the ones that have you believing it.
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dizzydoll
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Nov 4 @ 7:38PM
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It makes my hair stand on end and sends shivers down my spine when I think of the trillions that is made from online child porn especially.
Its sick. No one can tell me that these guys who are benefiting financially wont pay for this indiscretion when they die. But that doesnt make me feel any better now.
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PrettyGreenEyes578
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Nov 4 @ 7:52PM
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Hi Doll,
Everything has pros and cons.
I like the Google search engine because I research a lot for my studies and it offers me a wealth of information that must be tested and proven to hold its merit. Personally, I am responsible and I don't have to be monitored to do the right thing. Having said this, I believe that porn and especially child porn have no place among us. If no one fed into the palms of the porn makers hands then it most likely would not continue, but we do have to keep in mind that criminal minds stay a step ahead of the game and invent a new game when an old game looks like it maybe a losing thing. It would be kind of like stamping out the new computer viruses that are popping up daily.
Adults should protect young minds from porn and porn makers who burn their way into minds and cause perversion. Tougher laws should be bestowed upon porn makers and child molesters. The key should be thrown away on every child molester.
Each of us wants our freedom to choose and right to free speech but collectively as a society, someone, somewhere, everyone, everywhere, needs to stop and assess what is in the best interest of society as a whole. We have a responsibility to ourselves and to those we can protect and help, and collectively are we protecting our young minds or allowing them to be exploited?
If we could trust that porn sites and other harmful entities could be blocked from our viewing, I am for it. China has certain success rates due to enforced laws and regulations. It is different than the U.S. most definitely.
Somewhere society has to make a decision to protect its members or allow them to be exploited on a daily basis.
Many individuals involved in porn sites have low self esteem issues and have been exploited early in life and go on to lead a demoralizing lifestyle that could end his or her life. Many things happen on a daily basis while individuals in power positions to make a difference sleep comfortably at night.
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WSOR
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Nov 4 @ 8:27PM
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Wow... that's a tough one. While I am all for the stopping of porn, I do agree that if the govt. gets involved then who's to say they're not peeking in on individuals computers (good, honest, decent people)? This is one of those blogs where it really makes ya think.
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musicianfriend
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Nov 4 @ 8:33PM
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Last week the authorities blocked Twitter and Hotmail in the run-up to the 20th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square crackdown.
Last week..authorities blocked Twitter and Hotmail? That right there tells the story...Communism..something I dont wish to import into America. If you know me at all..you will know I say this is a very very dangerous and bad idea...there are much better options.....
If gov had this kind of power...where would that leave Rush, Lavine..Savage..Beck..Jones???? Who would have warned us of the impending doom Obama is trying to bring to America...COMMUNISM...like in China..
One solution could be to put God back in schools so people will respect each other again...and children will be safe in two parent families...less pornographers...All this type of porno living is due to the destruction of the family unit and the birth of feminism...allowing more and more people to be involved in such a disgusting society...I dont remember any of this crap going on some years ago...
this is all new..
Children are not a priority in this nation anymore....they are 'in the way' in alot of peoples lives...aborted...or used as 'cattle' to bring home the bacon..
The gov. is using this 'bleeding heart' issue to tug at your heartstrings so you wont thing about the other aspects of such a thing as this....this is a road to loss of freedom...
I have internet security...no porn on my computer..not possible...I dont need the government to take care of me..I do fine on my own..My kids are doin good to without gov..
they want to do this because the internet screwed up their NWO plans..and outted them...in a very bad way....They are just trying to shut it down so they can do what they wish with us...this is the most dangerous thing ever....allowing gov .to control the only free press we have left... Its a trick. Offering Shiney Trinkets...when in reality..they are up to no good.
Rockerfeller himself said he hated the internet...and now this? The timing is interesting..dont cha tink? I think he hates the net because of it ruining his NWO plans...but it wasnt the net that didi that..it was the lies and the people lost trust...pure and simple.
Im quite uncomfortable with the fact that the gov would be able to 'collect private user data'....ggeessh...no thanks..
In the latest drive more than 1,900 websites have been shut down and search engines, such as Google and Baidu, have been castigated for failing to self-regulate.
Here is the solution.....let them deal with it....and have massive fines if they dont...beleiive me..they will get it done..
Promote morality.....when they kicked God out of the schools...and the children no longer learned right from wrong...and many never formed a concious....the Pandoras Box was opened...Now look what happened,,,,
Put God back in schools..and all this will go away..
I find it funny that the same people who destroyed the morality in this nation..on purpose...namely rockerfeller and his henchmen...are now trying to 'clean it up'? I think not....its about control...It always is with those people.
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Wing_Zero_75
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Nov 4 @ 8:37PM
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Dizzy, its more than just the web sites. There was a woman in maine taping and putting up vidoes of her boyfriend molesting her kids. The british police caught this and started the ball rolling. I would love to torture those 2 people. I would make their days long and plentiful and full of such suffering.
Porn on the net is not the real problem, its just a symptom. Kind of like a cough and a fever, we know somethings wrong but not exactly what. Porn is a response to mans desire of the unabtainable. If your 350 pounds and expanding, your not going to get a super model or fabio. This is just a way of people to have a reality they will never have.
Larry
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Josuha
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Nov 4 @ 8:41PM
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I'll chose what go's on my computer.
This is a free Republic.
Not the old Soviet.
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Wing_Zero_75
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Nov 4 @ 8:42PM
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Oops, I made a mistake on the last post. I would like to capitalize British Police. I did not mean that as a sign of disrespect, like when I dont capitalize a proper name, place or organization. They have earned my respect for stopping that....... well lets just say, my choice of words for her are not even proper to think, let alone type.
Larry
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musicianfriend
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Nov 4 @ 8:45PM
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When your blog mentioned 'Government" i thought it meant ours....But i think it means China......opps...but remember this...our gov did toy with the idea of blocking the net...the excuse used was that it would only be used for emergencies if hackers tried to hack in on gov. computers...Do they think were stuipid? After the Patriot Act...and other freedom sucking legislation..No thanks..
Businesses have complained that the software is so poorly designed that it opens computers not just to government snooping, but also to hacker attacks by vandals and criminals.
A day earlier, the European Union protested that the software was clearly designed to limit free speech
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/01/technology/01china.html
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SpiritOrnery
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Nov 4 @ 8:47PM
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I had my last puter built. I will most likely have my next one built as well. They don't put all the trash in them they do with the mass produced puters.
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Blaiserboy
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Nov 4 @ 8:54PM
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A great idea, however, I am not so certain it would fly in the free world and China has already backed off the mandatory installation.
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southernlass
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Nov 4 @ 8:59PM
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Gotta disagree with this idea, Doll.
I hate porn and realize it's our enemy through and through, but I'm one hundred percent against censorship because I don't want the government having that much power. I don't trust the government, any government. I don't want anything censored, period. I don't want to replace one evil with an even worse one.
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Strata2007
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Nov 4 @ 9:30PM
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China is a communist state. It is not democratic not capitalist. China will do what it thinks is best for its citizens as would most governments in the world.
In my country (which was once under British rule) uniforms are quite normal for schools. Its much easier to wake up and not have to worry about designers' latest, keeping up with peers by being in style and it gives a sense of equality but to each his own 
Back to the topic 
The decisions made by most governments are based on advice and consultations. It would be unwise of me to deem what is justifiable for China to do or not do. I have never been there. I do not know the culture.
I have seen in the media comments about young females having inappropriate behaviour and maybe this is part of or a method to control this situation I do not know.
Thanks for sharing this article with me.
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bardnsage
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Nov 5 @ 2:18AM
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Porn,,, has been outlawed in China for years. And still,,, they have a problem. No government ban or law against it is going to stop it. The news story here, is the fire wall imbeded into Microsoft 7, to prevent the porn.
The chinese have proven they will control more than just porn on the internet, including political speach, if given the chance. I think you are seeing an argument to control one thing, as a means to gain control over something else.
The porn industry has proven they can bust about any technology driven control.
My bet, is on the porn industry, and the black market of China, to overcome this little hick-up in their industry. In fact,, I can hear the wires humming now,,, for stockpile orders of non-blocked Windows 7 or Macbooks,,, to ship to Hong Kong.
The government will have as much success as they had shutting down the global fur industry.
FUR COATS DIRECT - low, low, prices
((Sorry to bust your bubble,,, but they still pay for beaver pelts here. And since the economy is slow because of the loss of jobs,,, I don't think the beavers are going to do well this Christmas. Personally, I like the taste of a nice beaver. ))
Everyone wants to save the children. It's natural and bread into most humans to do so. However, the best protection for children now, is the same best protection of children 100 years ago,,,
GOOD PARENTS.
Putting the role of watchdog and child protector of your children on the government, is like asking Jesse James to hold your wallet for a minute.
I keep hearing that sex is an open topic in many Scandanavian countries, and they don't have the same issues with porn, rape, teenage pregnancy, etc.,,, that the rest of the world has. Maybe we should try their model,, since there is a positive correlation to what you want,, less sex perverts and less exploitation of underage kids by the porn industry.
Now,, where is the legal brothel with the 17 year olds working? Crap,, I got to go all the way to Europe,, well,, hell. That's not convienant. Think I'll just take a box of the 99 cent plastic wrap in keyboard size, a bottle of lotion, and a carton of cigs for later.
For now,,, billion dollar porn industry, at 30% tax rate,,, is $300,000,000,,, oh hell,,, we can't let them ban this. We need the money too bad, to be giving it up. Besides, porn actors, are part of the union,,, which helps control the Hollywood money and message so desperately needed by the government to pass Health Care. And these compaines must document that everyone is over 18, it's the law. If they don't follow this one,, they will not follow a new one. The problem is with cheap, inferior, imported porn.
So,, quit getting your porn on the cheap from inferior imports. Go buy it,,, (or the new pay for view),,, from legitimate US dealers. Yes, it's more expensive, but it keeps Americans working for America. And I, as a good citizen, volunteer to help.
(Sing along,,,
Look for,,, the union label,,, when you are buying,,, your porn orrrr,, your toys,,,,)
Washington has been screwing us for years,, please don't ban porn, so that we can't even screw ourselves without the government regulating it.
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Loren62
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Nov 5 @ 5:50AM
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The government will have as much success as they had shutting down the global fur industry.
FUR COATS DIRECT - low, low, prices
((Sorry to bust your bubble,,, but they still pay for beaver pelts here. And since the economy is slow because of the loss of jobs,,, I don't think the beavers are going to do well this Christmas. Personally, I like the taste of a nice beaver. ))
Thanks for reminding me Bard!! I'll make sure to stop at one of the Fur Outlets in downtown Anchorage and pick me up a warm coat...before I head over to Thailand on vacation to rent me some young teenage Thai ASS!!   
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dizzydoll
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Nov 5 @ 7:59AM
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I want to thank you all for your comments, its been a real eye-opener... revealing people for who they really are
I believe the rest of the world will make an effort to clean up the online porn and America will probably be last to do so, if ever.
No longer is America leaders in anything of value anymore 
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Wing_Zero_75
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Nov 5 @ 8:56AM
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1...This is not a blog but the usual copy and paste I re read this and decided I wasnt going to let this pass a 2nd time. So what? She used it as an example of what is going on in the world, something that she is passionate about. To try and devalue her blog by saying that is hypocritical at best, blatantly ignorant at worst.
Larry
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POPO
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Nov 5 @ 9:11AM
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Porn is a form of adult entertainment, Although I personally don't watch it nor have any porn in my home, never have never will, it really doesn't do anything for me, call me old fashion, call me what you will and some have...  From an entertainment value if you can call it that, I really don't see the point, however from a control (governental) stand point I'm totally against it, except for any child pron, that should be scrubbed from the net all together.
If manufactures could install a program that recognized child porn, and the computer was designed to freeze access to it, and it automatically was reported to the authorities to take action, I'm for that program, But I don't agree that all porn should be scubbed, it's a matter of freedom of choice, Computers can be programed from the manufacture with parential controls and the parents can regulate what their kids may access, Any Computer in a public school should never have access to porn sites.
Their there to get an education, not watch porn.. 
but just so I'm clear here....I'm totally for no child porn sites and those involved locked up world wide. But porn for adults if that's what floats their boat, then they should have the right to watch it, I don't drink either, but I have no interest in banning that, keeping it away from kids yes, but we can't regulate or legislate are rights away from doing whatever it is we like to do, as long as we don't hurt anyone in the process. I don't agree with abortion , yet my tax dollars go to help pay for someones good time  To me that's child abuse your killing a baby that has done nothing wrong. whole differet topic... 
If were going to advicate saving and protecting child we should look at all areas where their is abuse. People who engage in child pron should be hung and hang-em high, no mercy! They gave no mercy to the children  But if adults want or need to watch porn to learn or get excited or whatever their reasons are..  then they should have that right, providing no children are involved and that their is some way to controll child access to it.
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eastham
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Nov 5 @ 9:29AM
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I vote no.
Firstly, this technology is not "new". It was put in place in the days running up to the Bejing Olympics. When the Olympics were over, the censorship abated, but was turned on again for the recent anniversary of Tiananmin Square.
This is censorship plan and simple. The PRC had no real interest in blocking porn sites; that was simply an excuse. They blocked news sites and social networking sites. Think about it. How much would we have seen and learned about the recent post-election uprising in Iran if the government there had been able to block Flickr and other sites? The news and video out of Teheran came from those sites.
By the way, here is a list of the sites blocked -- censorship. The sites include the New York Times, the Huffington Post (which routinely runs news and commentary about Tibet),
When you log on to Yahoo or AOL or whatever email/brower you use, you have the ability to filter the types of websites your children can access. Turning those filters on is a far different thing than the government turning it on for you. Or the web company for that matter. For example, when I worked at the AAD and we first went online, the AOL filters blocked access to our own website, because one of the search words was skin. As in skin disease.
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bluewind37
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Nov 5 @ 9:42AM
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Like I said earlier, I'm for pre installing the software. But, it should be left to the person buying the computer whether or not it gets activated. And quite honestly, I have to agree with the others as to NOT wanting the government inside my computer. I trust government about as far as I can throw a house.
Someone had a really good idea about freezing access to child porn sites, having the ISP tracked, and then arresting the offender.
Far as I'm concerned, pedophiles need to be locked away permanently.
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john49887
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Nov 5 @ 9:52AM
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It makes my hair stand on end and sends shivers down my spine when I think of the trillions that is made from online child porn especially. Agreed.
That's exactly why it won't be stopped; too much money involved that generates tax revenue.
We all know that smoking is a death sentence yet tobacco products aren't banned because of the huge financial losses state, local and federal governments would endure. Therefore, it can be stated that the government is aiding and abetting suicide for the sake of revenue.
The same can be said of many products that are detrimental to both physical and mental health.
It's ALL about greed and money.
That's the main reason we're in this mess; and that is one hell of a sad state of affairs!
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dizzydoll
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Nov 5 @ 10:03AM
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cbond35:
If I consider someone is a PERV for looking at any porn, how does that make you believe I hate sex, the male body and the female body? How can YOU put sex, which is a wonderful expression of love, and the male and female body into the same league as perving over porn?
Thank God I dont see the art of lovemaking as you obviously do. You can accuse me of whatever BS comes into your mind, I will not give up the fight to rid the net of ALL PORN, especially child porn. Your psychological tactics will never work in order to make me drop what I believe is wrong, fool.
Also, what does the fur trade have to do with porn?......What an off-center analogy.
Since you are not very bright let me make it clear, the fur business was crueliity to animals. Plus Tigers as well as many other endangered species in the wild are almost extinct due to the fur industry. The same applies to child porn... its cruel to use children in porn for some PERV to get his rocks off. Do you get it now?
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AngelLight
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Nov 5 @ 12:28PM
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I think it's like The Matrix
Here's an excerpt from one of
my writes called "The Matrix"...
"Most certainly,
we do what we must,
but don’t get lost
inside The Matrix.
Which pill did each
of us swallow?
Which pill will each
of us swallow?
Only we can choose
what Truth to follow!"
~© JDS 4/23/2009~
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CHARLIgurl1
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Nov 5 @ 12:47PM
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I have to agree with East.
Its an excuse to monitor whats going on in peoples comuters and porn was a handy excuse/reason to do it.
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bardnsage
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Nov 5 @ 1:02PM
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Let us pose a stlightly different twist to this argument.
It would seem that everyone thinks that child porn is wrong.
There is a matter of difference when it is not child porn.
There is a matter of difference when discussing how porn should be controlled, personal regulation or governmental regulation.
SO,,, let's look at the thing we all seem to agree on,,, and throw a monkey wrench square at it to see what happens.
Why would a parent give up thier child, to child porn?
Why would a parnet give up their child to the sex industry?
Why would a child, enter into the industry of thier own will?
These are some hard questions. Yet, the only two answers I can think of, are 1. money and resources, or 2. culturally OK.
I've seen the faces of kids in the sex industry, first hand. They don't want to be there. But many are locked into the business by their families. The father who's daughter is basically contracted into the sex industry and she sends her earnings back to help support the family. Do we really want to starve that family, and the other kids still at home? And if you say, hell yes,,, starve the asshole to death who sent his daughter to pimp in the big city,,, remember,,, he eats first. The kids and the wife eat last, so you are starving them first. It's the same catch 22 the father is in. Sacrafice 1 to keep from starving 6. Are you really that cruel, that you starve 6 kids to sooth your concious?
In history around the world, their have always been culturally accepted sex slaves, children in the sex industry, etc. In the spirit of diversity, and acceptance of others, who are we to tell a group of people who have traded their females like live stock, that they can't do it anymore? In cultures where the "groom's" family pays a dowery to the father of the bride,, could this be considered "Selling your child" into servitude and sex. Not by their standards,,, but,,, by yours, and definitions of child prostitution I have seen,,, maybe.
What would be your vote on "animated" porn or "animated" child porn?
What would be your vote on a "virtual" porn star?
What woud be your vote on a nice oil canvas with naked little children eating vanilla ice cream cones?
What would be your vote on modern art, and the splashes of color on a white canvas (indistinguishable as anything other than splashes of color) was to represent a 13 year old child being raped?
What would be your vote on two people taping themselves to watch later?
So,,, if you are going to vote that all porn should be banned,,, perhaps you can tell me what your definition of porn is, and why your definition should be superimposed on the cultures of the world that are different than yours.
Perhaps we need to ban video cameras instead. Any two people can make a porno,,, but not just any two people can make a video camera.
After all,,,,, is this not the exact same reasoning used to justify banning guns.
Evil corporate bastards,, SONY, PANASONIC, SAMSUNG,,, making profit by selling the cameras that exploit the children of the world, and ruin their lives, and even get them killed. The corporate bastards,,, you can get these things anywhere, even at the Walmart. and you don't have to have a psyche exam, or register them, or a criminal background check, or a waiting period, or anything.
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leprichaun_magic
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Nov 5 @ 1:24PM
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it is about controll of information...and our first priority should be to protect children...can we trust the financial,Moguls--to do that... ?
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dizzydoll
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Nov 5 @ 1:34PM
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bardnsage:
So what you are suggesting is we close an eye to child porn without attempting to stop it. Yet if the Arabs want to use the net to put out propaganda there are methods to scramble whatever they post. But we cant to save the kids. Looks like our priorities are all fckd up wouldnt you say? Any family using their child in porn to make money should be jailed for life or hung and their children put in a decent loving home. By the same token any company who exploits children for financial gain should not only have their trading licence taken away but the person who does the deed should also face life in jail or hang em high.
The way I see it all this is going to backfire in the future. As it is the kids are not being treated as they should in general. They are NOT learning empathy and one day those same kids will begin to snuff us when we get to 70 as oxygen thieves and who knows they may even select the most painful and cruel death for us. If there are 4 million child porn sites now, how many do you think there will be in 5 years time, or 10 years time or 30 year when I am 76 years old? I am not looking forward to old age because I can see the writing on the wall already. Look around already, kids going to school with guns to eliminate what they see is a sick world.
We have to find a way out of this mess and it can be done. Not like the Chinese, there are other ways as I pointed out with the Arabs. Its a very serious problem.
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dizzydoll
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Nov 5 @ 3:18PM
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Its obvious the worst is yet to come. With kids arriving at schools laden with guns and ammo to shoot whoever crosses their path... When did this ever happen before in history? This is a symptom of a sick society were we are more concerned with our Internet privacy than our own kids future and safety. Just take a moment to think about that!
If people really cared it could be nipped in the butt right now, but its clear to me they dont
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bardnsage
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Nov 5 @ 4:03PM
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They are NOT learning empathy and one day those same kids will begin to snuff us when we get to 70 as oxygen thieves and who knows they may even select the most painful and cruel death for us.
They are here now, and the vote is on Saturday. Go ask your medicare advisior for a liver transplant for your 70 year old mother, and hear them say,,, no. So, that is a moot argument.
Any family using their child in porn to make money should be jailed for life or hung and their children put in a decent loving home.
Do you have a suggestion for a network of orphanages and prisons in Cambodia, Vietnam, Tialand, China, North Korea, Sudan, Kenya, Chad, Brazil, Chile, Columbia, Nicaragua, Mexico, etc. etc. etc.? And what about those brothels in Europe, with the 17 year old age of consent? Are these children, or adults?
By the same token any company who exploits children for financial gain should not only have their trading licence taken away but the person who does the deed should also face life in jail or hang em high.
Like I said,,, the video camera industry, Dell, HP, Cisco, Mastercard, Visa, Trojan, Victory Secret's, Kalvin Clein, Kraft, Royal Khmer Airlines, Time Warner, AT&T, Verizon, Intel,, just where do you want to draw the line on these corporate bastards.
It's not like there is a company for PERVERTED ENTERTAINMENT INC. Since it is, and has been an illegal activity already,, for a long time,,, there is no company. It's a network of underground organized crime. And in some cases, just a network of kids trying to make a buck to buy food.
Banning the internet, or giving the government access to block the internet, is just going to drive them further underground, and make it harder to find and track them. Don't you think there are child porn networks already, where it's just a server and a select group of perverts who have access. It's not like you can search Google and find these sites. They are private sites.
We even found one embedded into the public access area of a corporate site. Just go the corporate site, and log in with a special log in,,, and there you are. No tags, no markers, no nothing. It was found by a bunch of IT guys at the company, doing a sweep of the drives for SOX compliance.
It's not that anyone here supports child porn,, I don't think anyone is saying that. But to throw filters all over the net,,, is not going to stop it. It is only going to serve to limit the access to information by people who have other motives to be on the net. It's the same as gun legislation. Once you outlaw the guns, only the criminals have guns, and you have limted the ability and freedoms of the people who would never think to put a gun in your face for any reason other than self protection.
We need an answer to the problem, but ban's on the internet,,, are not the answer. The US tired to ban alcohol,,, it lead to problems. The US has all but banned prostitution, and made sex a subject that is still taboo. In some places, the entire sex education curiculum can be summed with three words,,, DON"T DO IT. Guess what, it's not as effective as they would have you beleive. And it does no good to tell someone that sex is banned, and Don't Do It,,, when the mass media they are pounded with every day says,,, do it, do it now, do it often, buy this and do it bigger, stronger, faster, better,,,, than ever before.
As long as we are going to toss the first ammendmant baby out with the bathwater, can we please throw rap music out first. I think this ultimately is doing far more harm to our society and our children than underground child porn is.
And maybe we can keep religious nuts off my TV and radio. They got an hour on Sunday morning to talk all they want, to the people in church,,, I don't need to hear their crap either. I don't care that people are starving in Etheopia,,, and the children are dying,,, they should move to where the food is.
And please, please, please,,, get the Animal Rights nuts off of the internet too. I'm sick of seeing pictures of dead animals, or starving animals, or drowning Polar Bears,,, etc.
See Doll,,, once you open the gate to banning or censorship,,, who ever is in power at that moment has the ability to control what they think is important, and what "THEY THINK IS STUPID". Imagine, where would the fight to save the whales be,,, if governments decided that harrasing free shipping was a terrorist act, and no images should be put on the media, and we are going to filter it all out of the internet. Someone,, could make that argument, and win.
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dizzydoll
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Nov 5 @ 5:00PM
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I am talking about the children will be snuffing us bard, not the surgeons. Forget about all those countries you list, isnt it time the people of the USA fix up their own back yard. Its amazing I am always coming across this issue of people in the States pointing out other countries without stopping to take a closer look at their own problems. Why is that?
Read the article again, it clearly says China is microsoft's 2nd largest client to the US. So if America buys the most computers in the world dont you suppose they would have the highest porn activity. Its clear to me they must do. When it comes to any company exploiting children for financial gain I am sure if they wanted to the lawmakers could monitor them and institute huge fines, so much so that it wont pay them to take advantage of children anymore. Plus they could expose them to the media which could result in further loss of income.
Right now kids are learning from the adults and I am not surprise they are beginning to rape each other. They are not doing it for food I am sure, you guys have food stamps for those who dont have money and churches feed many people. That 15 year old girl who was publically raped recently happened because those kids are reflecting a sick society that is busy breeding right now. I am sure they figure, if adults can do it so can we. Its obvious.
Thats BS, no underground.. scramble porn and be done with it, same way as they do with the Arab propaganda. But i have a better recommendation, I am not suggesting gov interfere like China. But whats wrong with each new computer having a chip embedded in it that blocks all porn? and older computers and those built in garages can download a link to block the porn within a certain time period. If they fail to do this they loose connection to the net. Each PC has an ISP number which the ISP operator has control of if they wish, stop paying your account to see just how much control they have. No-one is even attempting to think of a solution so lets drop the underground stuff until they face up to what is in our face.
Now I am sure you will say, why must all porn be blocked. Simple answer, as long as its on the net people will act out their fantasies and continue to abuse little kids. Ok it wont stop it completely but it will put an end to a lot of it.
Bardnsage: It's not that anyone here supports child porn,, I don't think anyone is saying that. But to throw filters all over the net,,, is not going to stop it. It is only going to serve to limit the access to information by people who have other motives to be on the net.
Some things just have to be done and they can be done. Just like motor manufactures had to build unleaded vehicles, they didnt want to do that I am sure but they had to and they had no choice. This is how it must be with the porn. Also like fur industry even tho you dont consider this serious if they hadnt put a stop to it we would have no Tigers or other endangered species in the world long ago. Even now they are almost extinct because of human greed and evilness.
Bardnsage: Once you outlaw the guns, only the criminals have guns, and you have limted the ability and freedoms of the people who would never think to put a gun in your face for any reason other than self protection.
In this country where i live people said the same but they tightened the laws so that all firearms must be in a safe and licencing has to be done every 5 years. Whats wrong with that? When i came to the States I found that people leave guns lying around throughout their homes for anyone to take charge of. Thats why your kids go to school with guns. Thats just not right, it would never happen here due to our strict laws now.
I have a firearm so I too had to go through the whole procedure and i was happy to do it if it would reduce armed crime which it has for the most part but of course there will always be those who break the law but it happens less now than it did before. People always fear change who knows why but i can tell you I am pleased our gun legislation was introduced, the benefits outweigh the disadvantages. How can you know what i am talking about unless you are exposed to gun laws to protect your citizens.
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dizzydoll
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Nov 5 @ 5:29PM
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continued response to:
Bardnsage: As long as we are going to toss the first ammendmant baby out with the bathwater, can we please throw rap music out first. I think this ultimately is doing far more harm to our society and our children than underground child porn is.
How can you say rap music is doing more harm than child porn? I disagree but you probably wont see what is brewing until later and then it might be too late.
When its comes to religion, animal rights or and other crap like Ethiopia begging for money, I agree turn the station off you dont need to watch or listen to it. It might annoy you but it is not going to affect your children's future if you turn the station off or douche the link on your computer.
Certain things are banned for our own good, like LSD was legal for a while when Dr. Timothy Leary experimented with the drug. You must admit it would not be a good thing if we all got high on LSD so there was good reason to ban the drug. Now think of child porn in the same way, like a drug that needs to be banned for the good of mankind.
I see this porn business as a ticking time bomb where we will not be able to turn the clock back. I see it like terrorism amongst us and if we dont stop people acting out their fantasies something is going to blow and it will be a lot worse than 9/11 when it hits us.
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dizzydoll
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Nov 5 @ 6:20PM
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For those of you who take exception to the subject matter of my blogs, remember this...
I am like a dog with a bone and I will bury it when I please
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bardnsage
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Nov 5 @ 8:31PM
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Well,,, I like to bury a good bone too. But there are laws about where I can bury it.
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bardnsage
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Nov 5 @ 9:18PM
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I am talking about the children will be snuffing us bard, not the surgeons. Forget about all those countries you list, isnt it time the people of the USA fix up their own back yard. Its amazing I am always coming across this issue of people in the States pointing out other countries without stopping to take a closer look at their own problems. Why is that?
First, children grow up to be surgeons, and you were the one who pointed out that 30 years from now when you are 76 they will snuff you out in some horrible fashion. I simply made the point, we dont' have to wait, the children of the 60's are voting on health care this Saturday. And they will let your 76 old self die from a dieseased liver, rather than spending the money to replace it.
Now, about the USA,,, place child porn on a server in the US, and the FBI will frag your ass. Google search,,, FBI, CANDYMAN,,, and take a look how they tracked down persons with child porn on their PC's, and charged them with a felony count for each pic.,,, deleted or not. It's the easiet felony to commit in the US,,,, one click,,,, 5 to 9 years,,, no parole - time served only.
The other countries mentioned, are those where children in the sex industry is much more rampet than in the US. Yeah,, here in the good old United States of pervision,,, I can click around on my computer, spend a couple of hours,, and at last find some child porn. It's not as easy as you think. Google Kiddie Porn,,, and see how many sites you can find. Hint.... not many, if any. Why? Because google and other search engine compaines work to keep child porn off their d-bases, to avoid fines and going to jail themselves. Go to Cambodia, and I can have 3 or 4 children for the entire night for the equivilant of $50. BOOM BOOM YUM YUM. And it's easy to find,,, the 16 year old pimps will lead you right where you need to go, from right outside the hotel or the airport.
Some of the most famous child porn, still on the net,,, is 30 year old productions from Sweden and Denmark. Not the US. And it normally does not just sit on a server,,, it's passed around via networks of freaks.
A chip in a computer,, is not going to stop them. It's barely going to slow them down. And the restriction of ISP's and monitoring,, well hacker 101 is knowing how to route through various different computers and networks to hide your real ISP. SO,,, it's not going to be an effective tool.
And you are still stuck with the 800 pound Gorilla question, that you have not answered....
WHAT IS PORN?
Is it just hard porn,,, or soft porn,,, or just pictures of kids,,, or do we include racists jokes, or Snow White because of the exploited dwarves. Are we also going to limit violence. Many countries have restrictioins about violence portrayed in media, and most have restrictions about violence in porn movies. (i.e.,, you can't have a rape scene, or beat up someone to force someone else to have sex with you,,, etc.)
For the FBI, even pic's of little girls jumping in a fountain can be considered child porn. How many people in the US, and the virgin islands, have little nude pic's of their kids in the bath, or standing in yard, that are just cute and funny as hell, that they send to grandma and their other family. Perfectly innocent. And yet,,, it meets the definition of child porn, and you are proposing that it be blocked, or worse, that these people be prosicuted.
When i came to the States I found that people leave guns lying around throughout their homes for anyone to take charge of. Thats why your kids go to school with guns. Thats just not right, it would never happen here due to our strict laws now.
Kids go to school with guns because of bad parents, not because I didn't lock my guns up. Yet, you propose a law that requires me to lock up my guns, instead of letting me shoot the bad parents.
How can you say rap music is doing more harm than child porn?
Simple math, more kids exposed to it because it is not illegal. And the same laws that protect these worthless bags of meat, protect the non-child porn,, which you want to ban. A violent message, is being smashed into the psyche's of children, that says you pop a cap in the guy who insults you. And the treatment of women, is purely as an object of sex, voluntary or not. If da bitch dont give da booty, roofie tat ass.
it clearly says China is microsoft's 2nd largest client to the US. So if America buys the most computers in the world dont you suppose they would have the highest porn activity. Its clear to me they must do.
What's clear here, is that you jumped to a conclusion. The amount of Microsoft customers is not mutually exclusive to the number of people who are viewing porn, or child porn. (microsoft does not even make computers).
News flash,,, child porn is illegal in the US, and has been for a long time. It does not fall out of your computer simply because you have gone to a porn site, or even searched for it on Google. It just doesn't happen that way. The best way to find child porn,,, is to search in a country other than the US. Try .EU,,, as much of the stuff on those servers would be considered child porn in the US. (17 year old age of consent).
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dizzydoll
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Nov 6 @ 5:14AM
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Ok I am ready to get back to the online porn problem and so I roll my sleeves up once again. You are more eloquent than I but this is a good exercise for my dizzy nutter.
Now, about the USA,,, place child porn on a server in the US, and the FBI will frag your ass. It's the easiet felony to commit in the US,,,, one click,,,, 5 to 9 years,,, no parole - time served only
If they catch you, but are they looking? No. Why? Because even tho laws exist, crime fighters are underfunded and those who are providing this form of entertainment know this but are only interested in making more $$$ and care not. Even so, if they do catch someone it should be life till death or a death sentence for those who exploit underage children in any way, including online child porn. I happen to believe if a law like this is introduced you will be surprised how quickly people stop doing their evil.
It's not as easy as you think. Google Kiddie Porn,,, and see how many sites you can find. Hint.... not many, if any. Why? Because google and other search engine compaines work to keep child porn off their d-bases, to avoid fines and going to jail themselves.
Everyone knows they have access to all Google search engines worldwide. If I enter "Google UK" on my computer, in many cases it will bring up different websites than if I enter "Google USA". Surely the same will apply to "Google Cambodia" and so if that country have no restrictions with online child porn do you think Google will block it? I think not, too much money involved as Trip says.. online porn is #1 money spinner now. What did people do before they had the net? They were not as sick. The older generation has not been exposed to, nor interested in that form or entertainment.
Go to Cambodia, and I can have 3 or 4 children for the entire night for the equivilant of $50. BOOM BOOM YUM YUM. And it's easy to find,,, the 16 year old pimps will lead you right where you need to go, from right outside the hotel or the airport. Some of the most famous child porn, still on the net,,, is 30 year old productions from Sweden and Denmark. Not the US. And it normally does not just sit on a server,,, it's passed around via networks of freaks.
The problem is so vast the only way to curb it is to start with baby steps. The only way to start is to clean up our own back yard first and then move on to other areas like Cambodia to enforce trade embargoes if need be. Again I know all about that because we had sanctions and that does work. Treat other countries the same by making recommendations and you will see how quickly their authorities clean up their back yards. All of this could have been done years ago, why has no-one cared to enforce such measures cos there is a chit load of money $$$ made off the backs of little children.
And the restriction of ISP's and monitoring,, well hacker 101 is knowing how to route through various different computers and networks to hide your real ISP. SO,,, it's not going to be an effective tool.
I agree that cannot work. But I am of the opinion if you tighten the rope around someones neck they will do anything to get a breathe of air. Life till death or the death sentence will carry an awful amount of weight. I am not convinced that chips in computers cannot work or other measures that they currently use to scramble online Arab propaganda. See child porn in the same light as you see terrorism and right their you have your answer.
WHAT IS PORN?
Ah the golden question. The only way I believe it can be done is to remove all porn form the net. Of course that will freak a lot of people out cos it involves trillions of $$$ including the tax man in every country. The thought of countries worldwide collecting tax from the back of a child leaves me feeling sick to my stomach but its true. If we dont stop this practice, it will backfire and the implications will be worse than terrorism I believe. As I have stated, 4 million child porn sites now, how many in 5 years? or 10? or 30 years from now? Get the picture? I do and it looks bleak.
Are we also going to limit violence. Many countries have restrictioins about violence portrayed in media, and most have restrictions about violence in porn movies. (i.e.,, you can't have a rape scene, or beat up someone to force someone else to have sex with you,,, etc.)
All kinds of visuals should be blocked from the net. I am speaking about online porn no the family album.
Kids go to school with guns because of bad parents, not because I didn't lock my guns up. Yet, you propose a law that requires me to lock up my guns, instead of letting me shoot the bad parents.
Geez the homes I was in the US had enough weapons and ammo to start a war. I was shocked. I have travelled and in no other country did I find so many weapons left in the open. One homeowner didnt even lock his front door when he left home in West Hurley. I feel its unnecessary to have so many guns in a home. All types of guns and none locked up in safes. Again your gun manufactures want to sell more arms even tho people most likely will never use them and so they will encourage demonstrations. I ask you, 30 years ago were kids taking firearms and going to school to shoot innocent people? If not then right there is a problem which will get worse for many reasons, not only bad parenting. Because crime is glorified in the media, TV and movies I feel some kids want to be infamous and thats why they will kill.
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dizzydoll
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Nov 6 @ 5:49AM
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Bard: Well,,, I like to bury a good bone too. But there are laws about where I can bury it.
Fortunately I dont have that problem, I do I love my bone, in case you might think differently
and remember, for every rat you see there's 50 you dont.
what better way to clean out the drains than to start with online porn? 
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dizzydoll
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Nov 6 @ 11:29AM
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continuation response to:
Bard: Rap music - A violent message, is being smashed into the psyche's of children, that says you pop a cap in the guy who insults you. And the treatment of women, is purely as an object of sex, voluntary or not. If da bitch dont give da booty, roofie tat ass.
I dont know, I think the music that first hit the scene in the 60's freaked every parent out. That hippie music that dealt with drugs, sex and rock and roll. God, you had Alice Cooper biting chickens heads off on stage and some even crapped on stage. Those parents were completely blown away then but there was no porn and many who did drugs cleaned their act up and became responsible parents.
What's clear here, is that you jumped to a conclusion. The amount of Microsoft customers is not mutually exclusive to the number of people who are viewing porn, or child porn. (microsoft does not even make computers).
No Microsoft do not make computers but most computers sold have XP, Visa or Microsoft 7 program loaded on it. Therefore I think it is safe to assume that America would be Microsoft's biggest client. Of course the USA were the first country in the world to build computers and software so that is another reason to assume that there are more computers in circulation there. Then of course there is Apple and others too. But we are spitting hairs here, which country would you say has the most computers in circulation? I still say the US and due to this I feel the most porn would be viewed there.
News flash,,, child porn is illegal in the US, and has been for a long time. It does not fall out of your computer simply because you have gone to a porn site, or even searched for it on Google.
As i pointed out before, and there is documented proof to show that law enforcement is understaffed and underfunded to catch the criminals involved child porn online even tho laws are on every countries books. We all know this so whats your point?
The best way to find child porn,,, is to search in a country other than the US. Try .EU,,, as much of the stuff on those servers would be considered child porn in the US. (17 year old age of consent).
No, no, no, it simply doesnt wash to keep looking for the monsters elsewhere in the world. As I have just stated most computers are sold in the US of that I am sure. Thats the trouble in the US, its easier to stick your head in the sand and blame everyone else for the worlds woes. Denial will never protect your children, the first step in any form of healing is to admit where one is wrong and then fix it. Its no wonder its got out of hand, I wonder how many other people think like you?
This comment was sent to me by another MD member who lives in the States:
The problems that occur are obvious to everyone except the complete morons who hold public office.
There was a documentary on PBS the other night that I could only watch for about 12 minutes because it was so damned sick and disgusting.
It outlined the child sex slave rings that operate within the UNITED STATES!
Young girls are kidnapped (at bus stations for example) and forced into prostitution.
Some are as young as 10!
It detailed how a pimp can make up to $1,000.00 per night for every girl he "owns."
Those girls who try to escape are brutally beaten as an example to others while some simply disappear, never to be seen again.
Very few girls actually do manage to escape. That some do is in itself is a minor miracle.
The producers of the documentary claim that law enforcement officials are aware of the problem but enforcement is not up to par because of budgetary constraints.
These pimp bastards should be shot on the spot.
Better yet, to set an example, they should be publicly strung up in their area of operations as a warning to other pimps who engage in sex slavery.
There are 4 million child porn sites, there is no getting away from it and as long as everyone blames the other guy (country) the problem will never be solved. My question remains, how many in 5 years time? or 10? or 30 years time? When is anyone going to take this seriously?
Meanwhile children suffer while parents & adults look away. Nothing is done to protect kids and this concerns me
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lucy8
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Nov 8 @ 6:09PM
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Mind can be either the source of bondage or the source of freedom. It depends how the mind is used. Right use of the mind becomes meditation, wrong use of the mind becomes madness.
If your center of wrong knowledge is functioning, whatsoever you do, whatsoever you choose, whatsoever you decide will be wrong.
The center has to be changed.If the wrong center is functioning then nothing can be done.
Mind is the only barrier
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Roverboy
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Nov 9 @ 12:45AM
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While I'd LOVE to see all the kiddie-porn sites go away, I also have a VERY BIG PROBLEM with any government keeping tabs on what I do. If I want to look up how a nuclear reactor is built, I don't need the Fed-nannies emailing me, asking "Why do you need to know that information?" Heck, I may be building a time machine out of a DeLorean so that I can go back in the past, make a few investments, and become a gazillionaire, and I don't want them to know! (wait a minute...I think that's already been done...DAMMITT!!!)
They can go after all the porn sites in the world - I don't care, BUT - leave my computer alone! There's none of that garbage on it, nor will there ever be.
FWIW - Google also keeps tabs on everything you search for on their site...Big Brother is out there, and he is a-watching...
BTW - Fran, it's not Green Solvent, it's Soylent Green. (I have the movie...one of my fav Heston films, along with The Omega Man...)
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phantom53
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Nov 9 @ 4:28AM
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OK...here we go again...let's separate fact from fiction...
Green Damn software has been available for about a year now. It is mandatory on all government funded computers (schools, gov offices, etc)
It is not mandatory on privately bought computers. I just bought two computers and it was not installed on either one.
It is a "opt-in/out" software. Go to "Properties", click "Disable", click "Save" and wa la! It's turned off.
It also has a function so that you can limit the amount of time a particular user can access the computer. Set the parameters and it shuts off the computer at the preset time.
It has a section for "Unwelcome sites" that you can fill in to keep your kids out of sites that might be particularity graphic or violent if you choose to do so.
If you leave the software enabled, it will update itself based on a government database of less than desirable sites.
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lucy8
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Nov 9 @ 4:30AM
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Nobody is stopped by punishment, but society goes on thinking that it is because the wrong has to be stopped that we punish. And the criminal, he also understands-- the criminal also thinks, "Okay, I will take revenge when my time comes, I will see."
Nobody ever bothers whether that good is ever achieved or not. We have been punishing criminals for thousands of years, but nobody bothers whether those criminals are ever transformed through our punishment or not.
Criminals go on increasing: as prisons increase, prisoners increase; the more laws, the more criminals; the more courts, the more punishments.
The result is absolutely absurd -- more criminality.
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dizzydoll
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Nov 9 @ 5:58AM
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phantom: It is not mandatory on privately bought computers. I just bought two computers and it was not installed on either one.
and therein lies the problem. i am NOT concerned about children viewing porn, i AM concerned about adults acting out their fantasies after they have viewed online porn, which they do.... so now, a 10 year old child is too old to act out fantasies ..yippee, lets go for 3 year olds
and there is nothing fictional about that, the proof is all around us and its gonna get worse
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dizzydoll
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Nov 9 @ 6:03AM
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Lucy: We have been punishing criminals for thousands of years, but nobody bothers whether those criminals are ever transformed through our punishment or not.
therein also lies the problem, child porn should carry a mandatory life term till death or the death sentence. Instead there a plenty of evil attorneys for human rights where criminals get services free of charge. If a victim doesnt have money pay an attorney... tough luck
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dizzydoll
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Nov 9 @ 6:38AM
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Rover: They can go after all the porn sites in the world - I don't care, BUT - leave my computer alone!
Sadly that is how the West is, only interested in themselves.. with a "fck the rest as long as i am happy Jack" attitude.
And so the children will continue to be used in porn as my previous blog shows 4 million child porn sites. I respect the East in recognizing that freedom comes with responsibility, something the West has never acknowledged..., they do not and will never be responsible for anyone one else but their own selfish little butts. Not even to protect their own kids.
Well, the USA is Microsoft's biggest client, China is 2nd to the US market in computer sales. So its obvious the US is watching the most porn and getting sicker and sicker as they will act out their fantasies once they have enjoyed online porn. So be it, if you guys are happy... dont change anything. I just feel very sorry for your kids
Microsoft will tow any line to tap into the Chinese market, which means they are prepared to block the porn there. Most computer manufacturers have Microsoft products installed on them. And Google will do the same. on the flip side, those same companies continue to exploit people in the US "in the name of freedom"
Google and other companies are making trillions of $$$$, and I am sure they will encourage you to fight for your freedom so they can live like leeches off of you all. You are blind, you will never see! As i said before, if there are already 4 million child porn sites now, how many do you think there will be 5 years from now, and 10 years, worse still in 30 years?
And btw, before you are quick to point out the China is communist, that simply isnt true... they are probably more capitalist now than the US. In fact there are more US$ in China than in the US. I also see by the blogs, a number of Americans who have left the US and live in China now where they claim their quality of life is better and cost of living cheaper. Now that is real freedom. That compared to many educated Americans who have to work 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet.
For me i am happy the majority of people in africa dont have a computer to lust themselves up. I dont even want to consider what the next 30 years has in store for the American people, I am just happy I dont have to live there to witness it.
Also on my blog Sex Slavery. The Growing Trade you said:
This is why I'm not in law-enforcement or politics: I don't stand for the abuse of women/children, and to me, the ONLY sufficient punishment, is death. Not just death, but a very slow and painful let the world hear you scream in agony, type of death. Tie the bastards to the ground bare naked in the burning summer desert sun. Leeches, rats picking at limbs, fire ants, heck - throw in a rattlesnake or two as well, and of course the vultures. Then, let the families of the victims - or even the victims themselves, offer up their own revenge in the manner in which they choose. Anything that's left after that gets a bullet in the head at point-blank range AFTER having white phosphorous poured into their wounds, and then set afire.. THAT is a fitting punishment.  However, the liberals that rule the USA these days seem to think that a death penalty by itself is a bit harsh, let alone the rest of my punishment. ...guess they know better than I do..
Talk is cheap, nothing will happen to those who exploit children. Your comment on this blog is a contradiction, I think you should make up your mind where you stand.
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Roverboy
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Nov 9 @ 8:16AM
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Dizzy,
I'm sorry if you misunderstand where I stand, but in this country the majority vote rules: unfortunately, I'm NOT in the majority.
The reason the majority vote rules here, is because this country was formed in such a way to avoid the tyrany under the former control of Great Britain (yes, ruffled feathers on both sides have since been plucked) - it's a FREE society, to do as we wish (to a point). To take rights away by any means, is to go back to the "good 'ol days" that our forefathers died to defend against.
If you REALLY want to fight child porn - you go after the source, and NOT control what people can/cannot see, as this in itself will eventually become abused. Before you know it, what rights you did have, will be gone.
It's bad enough that gun ownership rights have been slowly plucked away over the last few decades, and Obama is planning another sweep to take away more rights in this area: take away the people's ability to fight back by any means, and it's all over.
Which do you prefer?
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dizzydoll
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Nov 9 @ 8:43AM
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If you REALLY want to fight child porn - you go after the source, and NOT control what people can/cannot see
Porn is making society sick.
btw, its no longer Great Britian, it was only called that when she had her colonies. Look at any map today to see they are referred to as "The United Kingdom" altho there is nothing united about them
That was then and now is now,
Which do you prefer?
What do you propose your forefathers would say to this child porn now, right in your own back yard? This is a damn sight worse than what the British could have ever done to take your freedom.
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phantom53
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Nov 9 @ 8:59AM
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Dizzy....I am speaking of China...I live in China...what happens in the US or any other country is no longer my interest. China is my home.
Child molesters get death. There isn't anybody crying that they were abused and misunderstood. They just die.
Now, lets sidetrack a bit and let me tell you what happens here to porn peddlers. The laws are specific in these cases....
Under 25,000 RMB of inventory....3 to 5 years in prison
Over 25,000 RMB but under 50,000 RMB of inventory...5 to 10 years in prison
Over 50,000 RMB of inventory....death
By the way, 50,000 RMB of porn would fill a medium size warehouse.
Are these punishment carried out very often...NO!....pay the right person and you are back in business before sun up.
But, if the wrong person catches you...and you never know who the wrong person is...you could end up dead. The cop that caught you last month and took your bribe might be looking for a promotion this month and you won't have enough money to bribe your way out this time.
Now, on the subject of restricting adults rights to porn. I don't think we should do that. If you are a registered sex offender, you already have that restriction. No need to take it any further.
Why does China restrict porn? Because the people here are basically innocent and naive to the wicked ways of the west for the most part and the government wants to keep it that way. Porn, drugs, weapons, freedoms beyond what you actually need to take care of your family are seen here as indulgences that lead to greed and crime and violence.
What does all this mean? In China, on 99.999% of all the streets in China, your 8 year old granddaughter is completely safe to walk and take the bus across a city of 15 million people, home from grandmas at 2 in the morning, by herself.
Tell me how many free countries you would let your granddaughter do that?
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dizzydoll
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Nov 9 @ 10:27AM
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phantom: Why does China restrict porn? Because the people here are basically innocent and naive to the wicked ways of the west for the most part and the government wants to keep it that way. Porn, drugs, weapons, freedoms beyond what you actually need to take care of your family are seen here as indulgences that lead to greed and crime and violence.
What does all this mean? In China, on 99.999% of all the streets in China, your 8 year old granddaughter is completely safe to walk and take the bus across a city of 15 million people, home from grandmas at 2 in the morning, by herself.
Tell me how many free countries you would let your granddaughter do that?
thank you so much phantom...
Let the readers of this blog decide the answer to your question before they are quick to shout about their freedoms
Are todays children free anywhere in the world? I say NOT, especially not those who are victims of sex slavery of any kind or pedophilia. 
And all this while the worlds governors look the other way.
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dizzydoll
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Nov 9 @ 11:36AM
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my reply to this comment is timely now, lest I forget:
TriponLove:
#1...This is not a blog but the usual copy and paste.
#2...It is proper to link to the source of the article you pasted and not paste the whole damn thing and make it seem like YOU have written it because it is quite OBVIOUS you did not.I have posted the link below.
#3...Now about the article...China has been blocking sites in that country for years and that will NEVER change.They can do what they want in their country.
#4...Here in the USA I am sure that the internet will ALWAYS be a wide open affair and that is how it should be.
#5...Porn is a big time moneymaker around the world( #1 in sites visited ) and there is no doubt it pays the bills and keeps tons of companies making a lot of cash.With that cash flowing from Porn sites it is keeping costs for internet providers at a reasonable rate and for sure saving the rest of us who use the internet big bucks because if porn ever goes away so will 10's of Millions of subscribers and Billions of dollars.
#6 So in closing...When my woman greets me at the door wearing only her "fur coat" and her birthday suit...Talk about having the best of both worlds !!!!!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/08/web-blocking-software-china
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Of all the comments on this blog, this one is the most disturbing. Such a lack of respect for women, let alone children. But theres more, bear with me while I point out other reasons why.
The psychology of porn is addictive... and being human with everything we do we push the limits or the boundary's.
Now this is a good thing at times, this is how we learned more about space, how we advance medically replacing organs, providing a better quality of life to keep people alive longer. And naturally we will continue to push the boundaries...
On the flip side, if we smoke, drink or have other vices our quality of life deteriorates. I used to smoke and what started as a few smokes a day ended up as two packets daily. Lucky me I was hypnotized to stop. Now all vices are addictive and porn is the most despicable of them all.
The way I see it the sickos (porn freaks) will push their boundaries.... to act out their fantasies at some stage. And that could be dangerous, very dangerous
More especially the long term affects will be devastating..... the children are paying the price now, cos at 10 a child is just too bloody old now . Someone on this site used the word newborns in the same sentence as porn, and my hair stood up on the back of my neck.
Look at TriponLove, he has what he perceives as the best of both worlds. I say its NO quality of life at all. Judging by his support of porn, he nothing better than a sicko porn addict.... nothing more and nothing less.
America holds the majority of computers worldwide... Millions of people making money off of your kids (and others) and millions of viewers are watching them online.... I want you guys to think long and hard about your freedoms while your children are NOT free of this scum...
I ASK YOU, WHAT WOULD YOUR FOREFATHERS THINK OF THIS? Think long and hard of this before you decide the fate of your children and future generations of children too quickly.
Europe must take heed too... the whole bloody world should think long and hard, cos even tho there might not be as much of this filth in YOUR country... it will eventually spill over to it.
Oh and a final word, TriponLove I didnt try to "make out" that I wrote the article... unlike you, my ego doesnt play such a large role in my life. I couldnt give two hoots who writes what about porn. My blog had a purpose, to show that China is doing a better job of protecting her subjects (against people like you obviously), than any other country.
And the real reason I didnt put my blog in quotes was because I changed the article somewhat and I dropped some paragraphs which I deemed irrelevant to THIS blogs message.
Furthermore, "This is not a blog but the usual copy and paste" does comments like this make you feel like a big deal? 
TriponLove With that cash flowing from Porn sites it is keeping costs for internet providers at a reasonable rate and for sure saving the rest of us who use the internet big bucks because if porn ever goes away so will 10's of Millions of subscribers and Billions of dollars
I DONT believe 10's of Millions of subscribers would be lost if they couldnt view porn. Stop deluding yourself
I also DONT believe subscribers would need to be charged more if porn is removed. Stop attempting to frighten people into accepting porn. Your comment says a lot about your character, dont for one minute think that everyone else is like you, sicko 
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PeacefulGuy
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Nov 14 @ 12:44PM
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Kind of sounds like what Obama is trying to pull on us through a few senate bills..
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=44649
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dizzydoll
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Nov 15 @ 7:33AM
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"See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you, that their angels in heaven continually behold the face of My Father who is in heaven." Matt.18:10.
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