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Freedom of Speech Is Not Freedom From the CONSEQUENSES of That Speech

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  DiamondRain

Apparently minky didn't agree with my comments on her blog and can't tolerate any other views so she blocked me before I could respond to a rebuttal. So I am posting this to give my response. If she wants to comment on that she is free to do so on this blog as I don't fear allowing her views to be seen by others as she does mine.

It applies to the Islamist sympathizer named Kathy Griffin who apparently identifies with Islamic terrorist enemies of the United States and of civilization who cut off the heads of innocent people simply because they are Christians, Jews, Gays, adulterous women, or a whole host of other types they deem to be infidels.

Two kinds of people are cheering what Griffin did: Islamic terrorists, and American liberals. What does that tell you?

Griffin's message was loud and clear. In her twisted liberal, America hating mind, she sides with the enemies of the United States. That hatred is so deeply ingrained in her liberal being that she just took for granted that what she did would be so appealing to other like minded liberals that it would give her career a giant boost. To see an image of her holding the severed head of the President of the United States -- as if it was severed by these Islamic barbarians who she apparently admires so much that she mimics their atrocities -- would be so irresistibly appealing to her like minded liberal followers that it would put her lackluster, talentless career on a rocket to stardom.

And in some respects she is correct. Just look at how many liberals are so sick that they are willing to overlook this despicable act of anti-Americanism.

But fortunately it has rightly raised the mighty ire of those who will not tolerate that kind of disrespectful treatment of our beloved country and they are pushing back.

You have the right to free speech. But so do we. And you don't have the right to be free of the consequences of that speech. I hope this vicious hateful America hating loser's career is destroyed over this and that the lesson doesn't go unheeded by other America haters who are contemplating the same kind of evil act.

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Comments:
texasgirl8585

Jun 5 @ 2:18PM  
That's pretty sad when you get blocked just because you disagree with someone. I guess some people only want responses that agree with them.
minky

Jun 5 @ 3:10PM  
Trump is a woman hater, he has shown that in the press many times. Anyone who defends his actions, in turn agrees. They simply are not a friend of mine. I never speak out politically. But this time I had to voice my opinion. His own wife can not bear to touch him in public. I stand by what i believe, if a man had posted the same severed head photo, the reaction would not have been so dramatic.
roberto77b

Jun 5 @ 3:13PM  
You've been watching TV and it really shows. The rally for Trump that was in my town last year attracted so many women, it almost made my tongue hard.
eastham

Jun 5 @ 3:19PM  
And if Kathy Griffin had posted a picture with the severed head of Hillary Clinton, you would personally invite her to speak at the RNC convention.
Pompoms

Jun 5 @ 3:23PM  
I stand by what i believe, if a man had posted the same severed head photo, the reaction would not have been so dramatic.

Agreed minky.
DiamondRain

Jun 5 @ 3:24PM  
And if Kathy Griffin had posted a picture with the severed head of Hillary Clinton, you would personally invite her to speak at the RNC convention.

Absolutely not. Conservatives don't share the same affection for political violence that liberals do or side with Islamic terrorists. It's liberals who revere this kind of atrocity including riots and physical intimidation of free speech. Conservatives abhor it, liberals/fascists applaud it.
DiamondRain

Jun 5 @ 3:27PM  
Trump is a woman hater, he has shown that in the press many times. Anyone who defends his actions, in turn agrees. They simply are not a friend of mine. I never speak out politically. But this time I had to voice my opinion. His own wife can not bear to touch him in public. I stand by what i believe, if a man had posted the same severed head photo, the reaction would not have been so dramatic.

As I suspected. No denial that you blocked me simply because you don't like my view. Thanks for confirming it. It helps us understand a liberal's mentality.
eastham

Jun 5 @ 3:32PM  
Nice try, DR, but I'm not buying it. You guys all clapped your hands when Ted Nugent visited the White House despite his threatening to kill Obama on more than one occasion as well as his comments about decapitating Democrats during his endorsement of Mitt Romney.
DiamondRain

Jun 5 @ 3:40PM  
I never clapped my hands or had any comment on those things one way or another because I never heard about them, and don't know the quotes or the contexts. You are giving your interpretation of what Nugent said. That is automatically suspect to me.

There is no interpretation of content or context necessary in the Griffin Case. One image makes it all crystal clear.
roberto77b

Jun 5 @ 3:50PM  
Limbaugh brought it to my attention: Libs are never happy. NEVER !
You would think they would have produced at least ONE national speaker to tout their rather awesome accomplishments. First, they own Washington & NY politics outright. They have California on Lock-UP, and Hollywood is their personal play thing. When a 'Republican" gets the presidency [ examples are IKE, Nixon & Bush ] they dislike their liberal policies...eYe would articulate--but they will not believe me anyway.) ) now then, they have the NY Times, the Chicago Tribune / L A Times, Rolling Stone and um, Rock n Roll.....still, they are unhappy with all that. Even the Super Bowl and the NFL halftime shows abound with Liberal 'Arts'. Every Junior College, all NC2A colleges---and basically every nook and cranny of public school is a monument to Liberalism & Karl Marx.
... MOST of all, the agnostic, ruthless Fractional Reserve Banker, is a bona fide Liberal & the entire Catholic Church is infested with liberalism.
.....So have thyself a par-Tay dear Libs, and look at the G'd damn scoreboard once in awhile.
drcocktail

Jun 5 @ 5:45PM  
How tiresome the left has become. Trumps a nazi, Trumps a woman hater, Trumps in the Mafia, and on and on and on. These declarative statements by the left are taken as gospel by those so inclined to adopt whatever mantra democrats provide as fodder. The sad thing is this:

I stand by what i believe
But do they really? Or are they so easily led? If so why should we take them seriously? Well, we don't. Their narratives are childish, their intentions are to inflame not inform. They are simply people with nothing to contribute to any discourse. And we're stuck with their inane comments. So much for the comedy of Mork-less Mindy.
Angel1964

Jun 5 @ 7:14PM  
That picture of Trump's bloody severed head was discussing. It sent a message... Yes we have freedom of speech... But the message can be perceived as threatening. That is not considered free speech.

Again.... I can't justify this just because I don't like Trump. It's just wrong!

I am in mo way excusing Trump's actions... I simply can't excuse Kathy's actions as well.
DiamondRain

Jun 5 @ 7:26PM  
Let's see if you put your money where your mouth is.

So what should the consequences of Griffin's action be? We just say oh that's awful and she ends up with no consequences?

Or does her act demand that all people of good will call for consequences other than just lip service.

I say she should be shunned by anyone in show business at the least. I think anyone that would hire her is tacitly approving of her act.
Angel1964

Jun 5 @ 7:40PM  
I see it as a threat...
She should loose work. Maybe she should have a restraining order placed against her.

I have one against my husband for abuse. He can't even talk to me. If he tries to send me a threatening message... I can have him arrested.
DiamondRain

Jun 5 @ 8:03PM  


I have to agree with you about the threat part.

Ask yourself this. No matter how much you might despise the president, would you EVER dare do something like that? Something so violent and physically aggressive?

Aside from the fact that I would never do it for other reasons, like that it's an immoral and despicable thing to do, I would never do it for another reason that seems obvious to me. I would be afraid to because I know it could be construed as a threat.

It is an aggressive assault on the President of the United States. What person in their right mind would do such a thing and not expect there to be massive consequences?

She's like the guy on the plane that yells "I HAVE A BOMB!" and then sues the airline when the security guy body slams him.
Angel1964

Jun 5 @ 8:20PM  
I wouldn't do that ever... Not just because it could be considered a threat... But because it's just a sick thing to do!

When I do something without thinking... I should expect back lash. This goes for everyone... I'm including Trump.

With every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. We have to be held accountable for our actions.

That isn't right or left as in sides.... It's right or wrong as in mortals.
DiamondRain

Jun 5 @ 8:28PM  
If she did it "without thinking," -- such as when someone makes an offhanded comment -- then it could possibly be excused as a mistake. But she spent hours doing it at least with great deliberation and consciousness of what she was doing, and even made a video to turn her doing it into an entire publicity event. That's not without thinking, that's a premeditated threat. It's inexcusable.
roberto77b

Jun 5 @ 8:57PM  
One more Time. It wasn't speech. Its an image.
Now edit the image so that only Griffin* appears.
That's one cranky, unhappy Liberal. covfefe.

* eYe didn't want to assume gender.
Angel1964

Jun 5 @ 10:11PM  

If she did it "without thinking

Yes... I have to agree...


Omg.... DR and I agree on something...


And I'm a registered Democrat...

Dude.... You really are going soft upstairs!?!?
Joking..... ( it's what you said on my blog)
DiamondRain

Jun 5 @ 10:30PM  
lol... yes I did say that.

I'm just repeating myself over and over to savor this moment in time when we actually agree on something.

But already there's a rift! It's not that I'm going left, it's that you are finally seeing the light and moving right!
signme

Jun 5 @ 10:49PM  
I didn't get much bent out of shape with Kathy Griffin's so-called prank. (We saw plenty of things like that with Obama). But when she said she would also target Barron Trump, that made me angry. Any grown-up who is in the public eye knows they may be the butt of many jokes. But in my eyes, it is totally wrong to include the children of those people.
signme

Jun 5 @ 10:52PM  
And of course, once again, I missed the point of the post! LOL
Angel1964

Jun 5 @ 10:59PM  
Don't know about that DR.... But I do know "right" from wrong....

roberto77b

Jun 6 @ 1:09AM  
If so, you would not have 'registered' as anything.
Angel1964

Jun 6 @ 8:38AM  
^^^^^

Are you not registered to vote?
roberto77b

Jun 6 @ 9:11AM  
Who told you that your vote matters ? No. I avoid Washington as much as possible.
Angel1964

Jun 6 @ 12:22PM  
Who told you your vote doesn't matter?

Please don't judge me when you're not even in the game.
STILLNOTBETTY

Jun 6 @ 12:43PM  
Stoopid stunt gone wrong.Her WHOLE professional life has been about making fun of people. Griffin has always been inapropriate!
She just didn't think that one through!

Obama's presidency was marked by BURNING effigies hanging from nooses all across the country. I don't recall a huge uproar about that??

America~ where you can stomp on the flag and decapitate the President in effigy...because we are land of the free!

Try that chit in Russia..I dares ya!!
DiamondRain

Jun 6 @ 1:54PM  
America, where you can call for the entertainment industry to shun someone who thinks that Islamic terrorists cutting off the head of the President of the United States is funny.

Try that in an Islamic country about their leader!
roberto77b

Jun 6 @ 2:56PM  
No judgment--just discernment. You cannot name a single election--anywhere-- whose outcome is not beholden to vote COUNTERS ) ) behind closed doors. Was the Trump election legitimate ? The better question is....how did Ann Richards of Texas lose a gubernatorial election to W.-- when the former had an unprecedented 90% approval rating going into "the election"....?? *

* 2 words } Karl Rove.
minky

Jun 6 @ 3:07PM  
"Obama's presidency was marked by BURNING effigies hanging from nooses all across the country. I don't recall a huge uproar about that?? " Exactly, but Obama is a classy guy who knows that Americans have freedom of speech. I for one would not want that changed. I don't agree with many things said by politicians, or whoever, but will always defend their right as Americans to say what think. If that makes me a "Liberal" then I am proud, that is what this country was built on.
DiamondRain

Jun 6 @ 3:15PM  
You are creating what is known as a "straw dog."

No one is claiming that Griffin doesn't have a right to do what she did. You are arguing against and getting on your high horse about a case that isn't being made.

What we are saying is that she doesn't have any right to be free from the consequences of what she did and we are pushing for the consequences that we have a similar right to push for,

The title of this blog is "Freedom of Speech Is Not Freedom From the CONSEQUENSES of That Speech"

Not

"Griffin Shouldn't Be Allowed to Do What She Did."

You have a right to be an asshole. That doesn't mean people have to like you.

prepper62

Jun 6 @ 3:50PM  
You have a right to be an asshole. That doesn't mean people have to like you.

Or shun you, or fire you.
Angel1964

Jun 6 @ 7:49PM  
Americans have freedom of speech.

Yes.... You are right... However, holding up a severed head can be seen as a threat... You can speak your mind all you want but you are not allowed to threaten anyone!

No it wasn't right when they had pictures of Obama in a noose. That was also wrong... Two wongs don't make a right...
DiamondRain

Jun 6 @ 9:46PM  
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