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Should an ex felon have their voting rights restored?

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  LOVER17

Just curious to know, how many of you believe that an ex felon should have their voting rights restored?

A simple yes or no with the reason why they should or shouldn't in your comment.

Some say yes because they believe when one pays their debt to society then they should have all the same rights as before.

And some will argue no because having been incarcerated for years in prison, these ex felons may not have the best intentions on improving the country with their vote.

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Comments:
DiamondRain

Jun 11 @ 7:28PM  
No, I do not believe they should have their voting rights restored. If you have been convicted of a felony you have demonstrated that you do not respect and abide by the laws of this country and therefore should be unable to participate in electing anyone who makes or enforces those laws. That means you have forfeited your right to vote.

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smoothassilk

Jun 11 @ 7:29PM  
I think that there are alot of convicted felons who come out of prison to live productive lives.

Voting rights Yes

Firearms HELL NO
LOVER17

Jun 11 @ 7:33PM  
Voting rights Yes

Firearms HELL NO
Silk, you have peaked my curiosity. Why trusting with the voting, but not firearms?

drcocktail

Jun 11 @ 7:35PM  
Nothing is black or white in today's politically correct world. Hopefully we're moving away from it but as we've seen with recent judicial decisions, ie the Travel ban everything is open to interpretation. We're born with 'certain inalienable rights', so says our constitution, and the right to vote is fundamental. At what point can those rights be taken away......Never.

Btw, I could make a point for instances where they might be taken away (crimes against the nation) but then we open up the gray areas and political correctness.
DiamondRain

Jun 11 @ 7:36PM  
Why should someone who has shown utter disrespect for our laws be able to take part in deciding who can make and enforce the laws?

It's like two wolves and a lamb voting on what they are going to have for lunch.
eastham

Jun 11 @ 8:05PM  
The 14th Amendment allows each state and the District of Columbia to determine whether or not a felon can vote.

Two states, Maine and Vermont as well as the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico never strip a felon of the right to vote.

Fourteen states automatically restore voting rights after a felon is released from prison. Another twenty-nine restore voting rights after the felon has completed all requirements of his/her sentence, including probation and parole. In New York, felons must complete their sentence plus parole, but may vote on probation. That said, even in those states where felons can regain their right to vote, there are often impediments that discourage this, including low staffing levels of departments which process applications for reinstatement.

According to the Brennan Center of Law at NYU School of Law, 6 million Americans have lost the right to vote, because of previous incarceration. Of that number, nearly 5 million have gone on to obtain gainful employment, married, bought homes and have done everything they are supposed to do to be model citizens.

The US and a handful of former Iron Curtain countries are all that remain in the 1st and 2nd world, which deny voting rights to felons who have completed their sentences. Countries and states which restore voting rights have lower rates of recidivism than states which do not. The right to exercise your franchise has proven to be an important step in knitting former felons back into the fabric of society.

The right to vote is fundamental to a thriving democracy. It is the great equalizer. At the ballot box the votes of the wealthy and powerful count no more than those of the working class. As public policy affects us all, we all should have the opportunity to vote.

eastham

Jun 11 @ 8:23PM  
No, I do not believe they should have their voting rights restored. If you have been convicted of a felony you have demonstrated that you do not respect and abide by the laws of this country and therefore should be unable to participate in electing anyone who makes or enforces those laws. That means you have forfeited your right to vote.

Under the Rockefeller drug laws, thousands of men and women found with a little bit of pot were given the same sentence as second degree murder (in New York, murder in the 2nd degree is premeditated murder, or murder in the 1st degree in most other states) or 15 years to life. The result was a marked increase in arrests and incarcerations of low level, non-violent felons and a minimal reduction in drug use and crime related to drug use.

Of course, if you had the money, your lawyer would send you to rehab and you'd get a slap on the wrist. We saw a lot of this in the 1980's when affluent white cocaine users were sent to rehab but poor crack users of all races, but disproportionately black, were sent to jail.

drcocktail

Jun 11 @ 8:23PM  



The right to vote is fundamental to a thriving democracy. It is the great equalizer. At the ballot box the votes of the wealthy and powerful count no more than those of the working class. As public policy affects us all, we all should have the opportunity to vote.

"Brevity is the sole of wit"
eastham

Jun 11 @ 8:49PM  
Silk, you have peaked my curiosity. Why trusting with the voting, but not firearms?

The NRA has been working long and hard to restore gun owning rights to felons, but equally as hard to ensure those same gun-owning felons cannot vote. For the NRA, America is the land of second chances for felons, including those who have committed violent offenses with a firearm, as long as they want to buy an AR-15. But if they want to vote for dog catcher! Well too bad.
tj49

Jun 11 @ 8:57PM  
If its a no violent crime, all rights should be restored including gun rights,,, if it is a crime involving violence I say no,,,,,,,
LOVER17

Jun 11 @ 9:18PM  
The NRA has been working long and hard to restore gun owning rights to felons
Well, I don't agree with the NRA on this issue. I believe in gun rights to lawfully abiding citizens without a felony criminal record.
moon_watcher53

Jun 11 @ 9:23PM  
Why even bother voting when the ELECTORAL COLLEGE will do if for you $$
eastham

Jun 11 @ 9:32PM  
Because this concerns local elections as well as national.

Northern239

Jun 11 @ 9:44PM  
Someone screws up, commits a crime. Sometimes under the influence of alcohol or drugs or both. They do their time and get on with the business of life.

Are they no longer an American? You judgemental types would have no problem putting them into a uniform and sending them off to fight for our country right? But you would deny them the right to vote?.... BULLSHIT!

They may be Americans that have made a big mistake in their lives, but they are still Americans and as such ought to retain the basic fundamental right to exercise their right to vote.....end of flipping story.
CrocDayv

Jun 11 @ 9:46PM  
Yes, they should have their voting rights restored. They would still lose their rights to bear arms, but having paid the price, they should get voting rights back.
CrocDayv

Jun 11 @ 9:55PM  
no problem putting them into a uniform

Apparently, you haven't tried to enlist lately! Not only are ex-cons forbidden to enlist, one must have a HS diploma in order to join. Used to be, someone could join, then get their GED, but now, they have to get it first.
Northern239

Jun 11 @ 9:58PM  
And furthermore if our country turns it's back on felons and they can't vote...what kind of a message are we sending to them? "You are no longer a full citizen".......Well that ought to put them back on the road to rehabilitation huh?

Lighten up you moralistic s.o.b.'s.......Everybody deserves a 2nd chance. ....kudo for a great subject blog.
Northern239

Jun 11 @ 10:01PM  
Croc...I thought that if they got a full pardon on non violent crimes they can enlist...am I wrong on that?
eastham

Jun 11 @ 10:10PM  
When I lived in Alexandria, VA, one of my neighbors was a retired prison warden. She was the first woman to serve as a warden of a level 5 men's prison. Her house was decorated with paintings given to her by former inmates.

Her lesson to me was that the vast majority of inmates will not spend the remaining years of their lives in prison, but will return to their communities. If you bang your fist on the table and say they cannot vote, they cannot have educational or vocational opportunities in prison, if they are tortured by lack of sleep to the point they have a psychotic break, please remember they will return to their communities after they have finished their sentence. They may return to the homes of their parents or an apartment on your street after they have been pushed to their limit psychologically.

In the 1840's, Alexis de Tocqueville came to the US to tour American prisons. He was thrilled by the American inclination to give inmates a second chance, to learn a trade, to put a bad decision behind them. He lived in a country where few moved beyond the class to which they were born.

We cannot pretend we are a country of second chances, if we deny our most fundamental of rights.
Angel54214

Jun 11 @ 10:21PM  
This topic falls under Felony Disenfranchisement (14th Amendment, Article 2):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_disenfranchisement#In_the_United_States

FELON VOTING RIGHTS (9/29/2016)
http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/felon-voting-rights.aspx

The court of public opinion where ever they take place, does not change Federal or State Laws.
eastham

Jun 11 @ 10:43PM  
....kudo for a great subject blog.

Sadly, the purpose of this blog was to present a forum to advocate for the taking away of the franchise.

Northern239

Jun 11 @ 10:52PM  
East...I picked up on that. The OP has a right to his opinion. I have the right to disagree.

But it still is a great blog subject...can we at least all agree on this?
LOVER17

Jun 11 @ 11:19PM  
Sadly, the purpose of this blog was to present a forum to advocate for the taking away of the franchise

I let everyone who posted a comment voice their opinions on this topic without advocating anything other than not agreeing with the NRA to give back gun rights to ex felons in a later comment by me.

However, on another blog late this afternoon, I believe Eastham is referring to a comment I had made to her which was this.

A governor trying to restore felons voting rights just months before a huge election, especially when it's close in polls in his state and his state is considered a swing state, and has worked in Bill Clinton's admin., and he's very close friends with Clinton.

Where I stand on this issue is ex felons can continue having productive lives without having the right to vote. I believe there's too much at risk, and not knowing their intent after being incarcerated for years is when their voting rights are restored afterwards. I know of a lot of criminals who would love to see this country fall. And with many of them voting democrat, that's a good way to start the downfall of this country.


East...I picked up on that. The OP has a right to his opinion. I have the right to disagree.

But it still is a great blog subject...can we at least all agree on this?
I let her have a lot of her say without interfering with her message. But she felt the need to go this route at the end anyway.

Northern, I'm glad you and a few others liked the blog topic. And you're right, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

And I want to thank everyone for their comments!
a_simple_man

Jun 11 @ 11:23PM  
crime and punishment...

any criminal should realize going in that he loses rights by becoming a criminal...

and that should be cut in stone...

I am all for rehabilitation... and giving them needed breaks..

but the right to enlist.. the right to become a cop.. the right to vote... should be forfeited...and never given back...

because.. they made the choice to lose those rights...

if one wants to cry out.."always there are exceptions to the rules..."

and some did not mean to become a criminal...it was a matter of accidently being in the wrong place at the wrong time....

BS.....

the key word is....

FELON....


that said.... those who stated that it's up to the feds or the states...

negates this blog.... and put's it into the let's talk about this..rather than trump...

if trump is a felon...

hang him high....and don't give him any liberal justice...



eastham

Jun 11 @ 11:28PM  
I disagree. Unfortunately, we all know too well that money can buy you freedom. The same young person can make the same mistake, such as smoking weed, and for one the rest of his life is forfeit. For the other, it is merely a bump in the road. Both made the same mistake, one pays not only in time behind bars, but in perpetuity the other shrugs his shoulders and more likely that not never learns a lesson.
LOVER17

Jun 11 @ 11:32PM  
Eastham, you can disagree with anyone on here all you want, their still entitled to their opinions without you taking issue with anything you disagree with. I asked for opinions in the blog, not for someone on here to challenge them. You have had more than enough of your say on here already, let others chime in with their opinions!
a_simple_man

Jun 11 @ 11:40PM  
she has the right to disagree with me... her point is valid... statistically justice is not served blindly...nor equally for all.....

on that.. I agree with her..

but.. rather than reinstate felons right to perks...

I say..

make justice blind again... and equal for all...

crimes...require punishment..AND rehabilitation..

her point can be summed up by..

if that florida vigilante had shot and killed... a white guy..instead of a black teenager...

he would bi in jail today....
...................
yep L17...

everyone can find common ground.... if they continue talking....

eastham

Jun 11 @ 11:59PM  
Eastham, you can disagree with anyone on here all you want, their still entitled to their opinions without you taking issue with anything you disagree with. I asked for opinions in the blog, not for someone on here to challenge them.

You've held no one else to a yes or no.
LOVER17

Jun 12 @ 12:19AM  
You've held no one else to a yes or no.
That's clearly not true. I asked for everyone's opinion, and the reason that they felt that way. You gave reasons on more than one comment which I had no problem with.

However, you took it above and beyond wanting to take issue and challenge a few other peoples opinions as well. Remember, I asked for peoples opinions, not for someone to challenge and debate them because you disagreed with them.

I think I have been more than fair with you and others on here.
staticcling

Jun 12 @ 12:56AM  
I feel that only violent criminals should be permitted to vote. For the president they feel is most corrupt. That's right, why have good American citizens getting involved with crooked politicians.
staticcling

Jun 12 @ 1:05AM  
All felons have the right to bare arms against the criminals they vote into office.
znselenide

Jun 12 @ 2:08AM  
I asked for opinions in the blog, not for someone on here to challenge them.

Good point! And one that was my mistake in my blog I made. I should have insisted on an opinion only on my subject matter! In my blog, some people decided to take it upon themselves to give their opinion on the subject matter, followed by their comment of intense dislike for Trump, which had absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter! Some folks are so hard-core thinking in their political beliefs, that their minds have no flexibility to view the entire political picture of a candidate vying for an elected office in particular or, the political machine in D.C. in general! So, they keep voting in the 'old establishment', and we all keep ending up with the same old problems that never get resolved! That is what Trump wants to do away with and that is what the people on the left and some on the right, are afraid of!! Like I say, don't listen to what politicians say, watch what they do, if you want to see what their true character is about!

My opinions are generally not very popular (surprise! ) because I don't connect with the 'old establishment' Fact is, I don't connect with politics in general on either side of the fence, except to give my POV, on a comment that catches my eye, right or left; usually left because most of their comments or so off the wall at times, I leave a comment on the ones that make their insolent comments they do!


Pompoms

Jun 12 @ 3:10AM  
Personally I wouldn't allow voting rights to prisoners when they get out of jail, but remember I live in South Africa where it might be a deterrent to crime because everyone wants to vote.
Hooks

Jun 12 @ 4:35AM  
Non-violent after full completion of parole/probation, and maybe a time period, yes. Violent and repeat offenders, no.

I have noticed terms such as taking away or stripping them of their rights, but it really isn't a matter of "taking away" but of an individual "forfeiting" their rights. Like any other law you make the decision to obey it or not, and if you choose not to obey the law you suffer the consequences of your actions.
texasgirl8585

Jun 12 @ 6:30AM  
tj49:
If its a no violent crime, all rights should be restored including gun rights,,, if it is a crime involving violence I say no,,,,,,,
I agree.


Hooks:

Non-violent after full completion of parole/probation, and maybe a time period, yes. Violent and repeat offenders, no.

I agree.

staticcling

Jun 12 @ 7:21AM  
So what everyone on here wants is non violent people to elect violent minds that send their sons and daughters to commit violent acts against humanity (war).

You repdems make total sense, (not).
Pompoms

Jun 12 @ 7:31AM  
^^ I agree wholeheartedly with you son.
staticcling

Jun 12 @ 7:39AM  
You people are so blinded by man's law / rules & regulations, that you can't see the Whole Picture.

Jaded berated outdated inflated, Misguided united divided one sided, We are better than they we are, My country their country we wage our war, Left right right left it's all the same, Brainwash the masses with our war game, We balance our check books, They balance our lives, We're their assault weapons with bayonet knives.
staticcling

Jun 12 @ 7:42AM  
I better stop, people might think I'm intelligent again. Allow me to slip back into stupidity again.
Fayvorite

Jun 12 @ 7:53AM  
Because felons are usually repeat offenders - I have to go with NO rights. They should think before they do the crime and just because they did the time doesn't give them their rights back.

I'm pro guns but I don't think anyone with a felony record should be allowed to own one.

If I had my way they would give up their social security or pensions too.
Fayvorite

Jun 12 @ 7:54AM  
I forgot to say - Tigers don't change their stripes.
drcocktail

Jun 12 @ 8:20AM  
I better stop, people might think I'm intelligent again.

Not a problem.
staticcling

Jun 12 @ 9:30AM  
ty drc, for keeping me humble for the Lord.
staticcling

Jun 12 @ 9:34AM  
I need to get back to glorifying the Lord. Because speaking only politics only glorifies satan.
Pompoms

Jun 12 @ 9:57AM  
I have this to add on good authority.

did you know that most all felons who would vote, are republican??
as they know republicans are crooks, just like them.

whereas liberals are not and want liberal justice for all, so they are not felons.
drcocktail

Jun 12 @ 12:34PM  

Current time in South Africa ?(UTC+2)?

6:30 PM- medication time but so few blogs where I can comment. Here come the men in white....I have to go....why me, locked up....I'm sane as them, aren't I? Oh no oh no

Mon, Jun 12, 2017

#wingnuts
drcocktail

Jun 12 @ 7:28PM  
More input
drcocktail

Jun 14 @ 11:40PM  
Left wing loon James Hodgekins had his voting rights taken away today. Any questions on how we should proceed in the future?
LOVER17

Jun 15 @ 12:09AM  
One less piece of sh*t walking the earth...

Sad how liberals started with all the political crap after this happened this morning blaming Trump and Republicans for supporting the 2nd amendment. Liberals want to blame Trump when they should be blaming the person who did the shooting. This scumbag was a Sanders supporter, but I'm not blaming Sanders, I blame the person himself for what happened.

I see another stupid comment by a liberal on this site saying this what happens when someone reaches their breaking point (like it was justified after almost 4 months of a Trump's presidency). Typical liberal mentality, blame others instead of putting blame where it actually belongs.

Thankfully the crazy loon was taken out before he had a chance to kill anyone.

Trump's birthday was today (June 14). What a way to spend a birthday, and then at the end of the day seeing leaked reports from 5 unnamed sources to the Washington Post (illegal) and now Mueller is said to be investigating Trump on obstructive charges because he fired his best friend Comey. Looks like the fix is in. If Trump isn't going to fire the special councel, then if anything, he should push for Mueller to recuse himself since he knows Comey on a personal level.
drcocktail

Jun 15 @ 1:33AM  
Everyday the left invests its time and our money in some farsical spin. This is there news , their slice of baloney. Let them eat the sandwich. I make my own meals. The fools mistakenly think they have yet another dog to chase for awhile and we all expect it, but only the wounded are buying it. My selection for the 'dumbest comment' of the day......'it was his karma' ( Scalise) because of his stance on gun control. Brilliant analysis.
LOVER17

Jun 15 @ 1:49AM  
My selection for the 'dumbest comment' of the day......'it was his karma' ( Scalise) because of his stance on gun control.

I saw that earlier tonight, and I agree, that was a stupid ass comment.
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