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Firing Up the Trade War

posted 6/6/2018 1:58:59 PM |
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As a trade war heats up, Canada is making our own stance in regards to the illegal tariffs that are being slapped on the free trade goods. Even the US NAFTA negotiator said that Canada's move was brilliant, targeting those areas and states that would affect trump supporters.

The current trade war isn't because of Canadian steel and aluminum, but is actually due to the fact that we don't accept US dairy products into Canada. As the US injects their cows with rBGH, a synthetic growth hormone (supplied by Monsanto), Canadian scientists tested it years ago, and could not confirm Monsanto's claims, and thus banned the substance and US dairy. At that time, the scientists were fired by the conservative government, but not before they released their findings, thus ensuring that Canadian health was protected.

Current testing is inconclusive, however rBGH has been known to increase certain cells that cause breast, ovary and prostate cancer. With the number of cancers in western civilization, we don't need to exacerbate that in any way shape or form. Nor do I think we need to put Canadian health at risk, or to decimate our own dairy industry.

I wrote a few weeks ago how I'd run into a dairy farmer and how he'd asked me not to post photos of his farm and house on the local Facebook page. I hadn't, but he wanted to ensure that I didn't, either. No problem. He told me at that time he's a key figure in the Dairy Farmer's of Canada organization.

As this dairy issue is coming to a head, I contacted him today via a fb message asking him why negotiations to take illegal US milk were even a consideration and what about protecting our own dairy industry? He responded that he would get back to me as he was in a meeting and thanked me for my concern on this issue.

These current tariffs are punishment for not accepting the dairy into Canada, and as far as I'm concerned, an illegal substance is an illegal substance and there's no room at all for any negotiation on it.

Canadians are generally sick and tired of the US' bullying in regards to our resources and trade, and we haven't forgotten the $5 billion that California still owes us for power they were sold when they didn't have enough and the $5 billion that the courts ruled the US owed us on softwood lumber that was also never paid (and some idiot minister forgave). Despite the courts ruling that the US owes the $5 billion for the power, we have yet to see a penny of it. It'd be great to see another power shortage in Ca and for Canada to tell them so sorry. No can do, you don't pay your bills. If Ca has one of the highest economies in the world, then why can't they pay their bills? Maybe it's why they have one of the highest economies, they screw over their suppliers.

Regardless of that issue, there's simply no reason for Canada to have to bend over to take the excess milk and dairy that the US can't dump anywhere else. The EU won't take it, and up until now, neither has Canada, nor should they. They need to find other markets for their dairy, and if Canada and the EU won't take it because of the hormones injected into the cows, then perhaps they need to rethink their methods.

As far as I'm concerned, the trade war can go on indefinitely, Canada can start restricting her sale of resources to the US and adding tariff upon tariff in retaliation and an effort to protect OUR country and citizens. There are many other trade partners in the world, and it's more than time Canada sought other partners.

The US should be careful about insulting us, considering we supply them with much needed power. And it's always a Republican president who starts this divisive bs, pissing off their allies. As much as I love my US friends, this trade war is not doing either country any good, and I hope our PM has enough balls to tell trump to shove his dairy where the sun doesn't shine.

Looks like it may be time for Canadians to burn down the White House again, metaphorically speaking. Protectionism works both ways.







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Comments:
ttomtarr

Jun 6 @ 5:00PM  
Canada's move was brilliant, targeting those areas and states that would affect trump supporters.

Some supporters will be hurt. but without exports, the oversupply will drop prices for consumers, and while President Trump loses some dairymen, he will gain more from the consumers paying a lower price.


supplied by Monsanto

If I was more religious, I would call Monsanto the Anti-Christ.

and we haven't forgotten the $5 billion that California still owes us for power

That is what you get for trusting the most liberal state in the USA. As a Sanctuary State, California draws crooks from the entire USA, As Aunt Edna used to say, birds of a feather flock together. Why did Canada trust the word of the Chief crook in an official den of crooks? Would you invest with Bernie Madoff? Jerry Brown is in the same league with Bernie.

But the real problem is not what the US owes Canada. The real Canadian problem is what Canadaa owes the rest of the world. The credit based spending binge that has driven interest rates so high that 45% of Canadians have trouble paying their debts.

But you must admit that the US is trying to even the score. Yes, we stole a log of power, but we are sending you all those lovely Somali and Haitian workers. Trudeau has told you that diversity is Canada's strength, and Canada believed him. The US has just made Canada a whole lot stronger. Good luck feeding and housing all those power generating illegal aliens.
SimplyImp

Jun 6 @ 5:22PM  
Some supporters will be hurt. but without exports, the oversupply will drop prices for consumers, and while President Trump loses some dairymen, he will gain more from the consumers paying a lower price.

This has been an on-going dispute for years. So how come the US is still pushing an issue that their consumers are paying less for? You should be happy that your dairy is less than ours. So you lose a few dairies - obviously someone doesn't agree. If you've got that much over-production of milk, evidently you do need to restrict your production and your dairies.

If I was more religious, I would call Monsanto the Anti-Christ.

You can call Monsanto anything you want.

That is what you get for trusting the most liberal state in the USA. As a Sanctuary State, California draws crooks from the entire USA, As Aunt Edna used to say, birds of a feather flock together. Why did Canada trust the word of the Chief crook in an official den of crooks? Would you invest with Bernie Madoff? Jerry Brown is in the same league with Bernie.

I have no idea. Why did we entrust that the US would pay us the $5 billion for the softwood lumber? As far as I'm concerned, when one of our ministers 'forgave' that, that should have been the end of Canada 'selling' anything to the US. Obviously our generosity in supplying power when it was desperately needed, was just a way for the US to spit in our faces again. I hope Canada has learned that lesson, and the next time Ca needs power they're s.o.l.

But the real problem is not what the US owes Canada. The real Canadian problem is what Canadaa owes the rest of the world. The credit based spending binge that has driven interest rates so high that 45% of Canadians have trouble paying their debts.

That isn't what's at issue in the trade war. Most North Americans have trouble paying their debts, it's not just a Canadian problem. This issue in the trade war is the US trying to bully Canada into accepting their excess milk products. We didn't want it backing 1999, and we still don't want it. Find somewhere else to dump it, or start putting stronger controls on it so it's a product people do want. Our dairy industry shouldn't be decimated to appease the US. We already saw that with our softwood lumber industry.



ttomtarr

Jun 6 @ 5:42PM  
That isn't what's at issue in the trade war

But it very much is. When your interest rates rise, any debt from imbalance of payment becomes much more costly to maintain, and as your currency devalues as a result, your country suffers the results of a trade war even more. What Canada suffers from the US, the US is suffering from China.

But don't take President Trumps words too seriously. He is a negotiator. His initial position is extreme, then he negotiates back to a less extreme, but still advantageous position. It is not too different than bargaining at a flea market.

Dumping is a real trade war. First the industry, perhaps subsidized by the government, dumps cheap products in another country, destroying the local industry. Once local production disappears, the dumper raises prices, with no real competitors to compete down the price. China does a lot of that. So does the US. An astute national leader sees what is going on, and enacts policies to protect his country. That is what President Trump is doing now, unlike the previous Obama administration that concentrated more on bathrooms for sexually confused children than on international trade.

Perhaps Canada needs to elect a leader with more brains and less pretty face. As you can see in the US news, it helps a lot.
SimplyImp

Jun 6 @ 5:50PM  
Dumping is a real trade war. First the industry, perhaps subsidized by the government, dumps cheap products in another country, destroying the local industry. Once local production disappears, the dumper raises prices, with no real competitors to compete down the price. China does a lot of that. So does the US. An astute national leader sees what is going on, and enacts policies to protect his country.

And that is EXACTLY why we don't want your milk. We do not need an inferior product dumped in our market to destroy our own dairy industry. Find somewhere else to dump it. I'll pay the price for a quality product and to ensure our own industry is protected.



ragtopcookie

Jun 6 @ 8:32PM  
I hope this whole thing blows up in orange boys face...…..cookie
ohiobbw1956

Jun 6 @ 9:26PM  
When Trudeau asked Trump how he could justify the tariffs based on national security concerns Trump replied "Didn't you guys burn down the White House?"

Of course it was the British and not the Canadians who burned down the White House in the war of 1812.

Trump doesn't read books and sometimes his ignorance shows.
jimnastics1

Jun 6 @ 10:07PM  
sometimes his ignorance shows

"Sometimes" ??? More like....continually.
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