This is mainly to the Americans, but all are welcome to read:
It is said that history is not science, with fixed proofs, but a continuing investigation into the past and one coloured over by personal bias. Yet, if one approaches it with an open mind and dwells upon the facts, one's viewpoint may change.
It is my viewpoint that we are all in this together, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, sex, etc. And that unfortunately many of us are under the impression that it is our race, ethnicity, sex, etc. that are the only ones who truly suffered or who suffered the longest throughout history.
I have to say that I do believe the Jews have the most startling record of suffering in history, especially with regards to the 1940's, but even then there were many others persecuted by the same people as were persecuting the Jews. Some of them were just as persecuted but it was less public, mostly because there were less of them and they were also called Jews.
The blacks in America have the next most startling of the most public records, to my mind. But again, there were many others who were enslaved with them, some of whom were treated far worse, and the reason that they do not hold an at least equally startling record of having been persecuted is simply that their persecutor's chose not to keep records of the majority of their hate crimes. Yet these records do exist, enough to prove the truth, and they are kept hidden away if they are not, instead, destroyed when revealed.
This disregard for the holocaust visited upon the poor and working class Whites of Britain, the wiping of our collective national and racial memories, only serves to exabberate the feelings of inadequacy and inability to reach understanding between all person of what is, or should be, one people.
When White servitude is acknowledged as having existed in America, it is almost always termed as temporary "indentured servitude" or part of the convict trade, which, after the Revolution of 1776, centered on Australia instead of America. The "convicts" transported to America under the 1723 Waltham Act, numbered perhaps a hundred thousand.
Yet there were already hundreds of thousands of Scots, and also Irish, sold into slavery, to the American Colonies before this, starting in the year 1630 or thereabouts.
The indentured servants who served a tidy little period of 4 to 7 years polishing the master's silver and china and then taking their place in colonial high society, were a minuscule fraction of the great unsung hundreds of thousands of White slaves who were worked to death in this country from the early l7th century onward.
Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America's first slaves. These Whites were slaves for life, long before Blacks ever were. This slavery was even hereditary. White children born to White slaves were enslaved too.
A quote from the Egerton Manuscript of 1652 as evidence:
it may be lawful for two or more justices of the peace within any county, citty or towne, corporate belonging to the commonwealth to from tyme to tyme by warrant cause to be apprehended, seized on and detained all and every person or persons that shall be found begging and vagrant.. in any towne, parish or place to be conveyed into the Port of London, or unto any other port from where such person or persons may be shipped into a forraign collonie or plantation.
George Downing wrote a letter to the honorable John Winthrop Colonial Governor of Massachusetts in 1645, “planters who want to make a fortune in the West Indies must procure white slave labor out of England if they wanted to succeed.
The Quoke Walker case in Massachusetts 1773 ruled that; slavery contrary to the state Constitution was applied equally to Blacks and Whites in Massachusetts.
Marcellus Rivers and Oxenbridge Foyle, England’s Slaves 1659 consists of a statement smuggled out of the New World and published in London referring to whites in bondage who did not think of themselves as indentured servants but as “England’s Slaves” and “England’s merchandise.”
Colonial Office, Public Records Office, London 1667, no. 170 records that “even Blacks referred to the White forced laborers in the colonies as “white slaves.”
Ulrich B. Phillips, Life and Labor in the Old South explain that white enslavement was crucial to the development of the Negro slave system. The system set up for the white slaves governed, organized and controlled the system for the black slaves. Black slaves were “late comers fitted into a system already developed.” Pp 25-26. John Pory declared in 1619, “white slaves are our principle wealth.”
Bridenbaugh writes, on page 118 of his accounting, that having paid a bigger price for the Negro, the planters treated the black better than they did their “Christian” white servant. Even the Negroes recognized this and did not hesitate to show their contempt for those white men who, they could see, were worse off than themselves.
in the year 1739, Alexander McDonald of Sleat and Norman McLeod of Dunvegan, employed Captain Thomas Davidson and chartered a ship 'William' which put in at Bracadale in Skye, Finsbay in Harris and Loch Portan in Uist. At these ports people were lured aboard by promises of cheap goods for sale. Once aboard they were forced below decks as captives and, later, transported to the other side of the known world .
Aberdeen became the center for most of this sort of kidnapping. There are records of a goodly number of these "transactions" if you can get anyone to show them to you.
Whites were auctioned on the block with children sold and separated from their parents and wives sold and separated from their husbands. Free Black property owners strutted the streets of northern and southern American cities while White slaves were worked to death in the sugar mills of Barbados and Jamaica and the plantations of Virginia.
The Establishment has created the misnomer of "indentured servitude" to explain away and minimize the fact of White slavery. But bound Whites in early America called themselves slaves. Nine-tenths of the White slavery in America was conducted without indentures of any kind but according to the so-called "custom of the country," as it was known, which was lifetime slavery administered by the White slave merchants themselves.
Sounds awful, does it not? Yet it gets worse, both for that time and when examining the histories back beyond that date.
The Vikings had a very profitable slave trade, taking the majority of their slaves from Ireland, Scotland, and Norway; and they routinely slaughtered the children of these slaves - the white slaves.
The Romans were enslaving vast numbers of the early ancestors of the Alba, Scots, Pics as early as the 1st Century A.D.
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Blondino
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Dec 4 @ 9:09AM
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Yet there were already hundreds of thousands of Scots, and also Irish, sold into slavery, to the American Colonies before this, starting in the year 1630 or thereabouts.
The Romans were enslaving vast numbers of the early ancestors of the Alba, Scots, Pics as early as the 1st Century A.D.
we were ??  we know them as press gangs ... I never thought of them as slaves ... must look into this .....
With no means or hope of ever returning to their native land, most lived, worked and died far from home.
Most were sold to the slave trade to the colonies, there to be put on the block as workers in the many farms that the King owned and run by usually Nobel stock, many times Scots and English, who were not the oldest son, and therefore would not inherit.
They thought to run the plantations for the English Ruling Class at the colonies, would be their path into the monied upper classes once more, their other option, serving in H. M. Military Services.
Many former slaves in the USA today, have Scottish names because they took their master's name.
They were a lost people, and tried hard to live out their slavery with as little suffering as possible.
The Scots, however, were accustomed to hard times and difficult living, and while working kept their eyes on the idea of escape and the distant mountain chain of the Appalachian Mountains.
These Scots although accustomed to hard work, saw quickly they were nothing but slaves and if they received papers of any type, could not read them and were forced to work on and on, many years past any indentured servant.
They had to escape, and escape they did.
Most headed straight for the mountains, eating whatever they could find or kill along the way (rabbits etc. squirrels, firsh, berries) in order to survive the long treck across Virginia or North and South Carolina until they reached the mountain range.
The Scots were a tough stock of people, having lived with adverse conditions all their life, and soon found themselves in the mountains. Their captors, could not follow, as the Scots were adept at not being tracked, and if anyone followed they would lay in wait and kill the captors rather than go back.
They would bury them and make the forrest look undistrubed to hide their trail.
Much like the Native American Indians, they kept going until they found a friendly group or formed their own group in the mountains, there they settled for a time.
They found mamy Irish in the same situation and they all settled in the areas, keeping in mind who was enemy and who was not.
They survived for so many generations and were only found many, many years later by people with the study of anthropology, who found some groups who spoke in early Elizabethan, and many who spoke the Scots and Irish mixtures.
Many escaped form Governor Oglethorpe's penal colony for the King.
are they now the un -shoed and inter breed Appalachian dwellers ?????
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Blondino
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Dec 4 @ 9:20AM
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There is a famous book .. Kidnapped by Robert Louis Stevenson about this subject .. also found this
HE KIDNAPPING of men, women and children for sale in colonial America is a little publicised aspect of Scottish history.
As early as 1668 ships were being searched at Leith for people being shipped to America against their will. Elizabeth Linning was kidnapped and shipped to South Carolina on the Carolina Merchant in 1684. In 1739 more than 100 Highlanders from Skye were put aboard ship involuntarily for shipment to the colonies for sale as servants, however the ship grounded on the Irish coast and the forced emigrants escaped.
Evidence of this trade exists on both sides of the Atlantic, but the best recorded example is that of Peter Williamson.
http://www.thebloodisstrong.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1977
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HopelesslyHopeful
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Dec 4 @ 9:56AM
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are they now the un -shoed and inter breed Appalachian dwellers ?????
Appalachian Dwellers
Tennesee Alumnus article written by an Appalachian dweller
Activities of interbred, unshod Appalachian dwellers
Appalachian sampler: pictures and information, good and bad on Appalachian dwellers
Time's article related to Appalachian dwellers
There's a lot more information both on Appalachians and on the Scots and Irish being forced into slavery, right there online, for anyone who cares to put in the time. Plus a lot at the library too.
My point about the Appalachians, posting the URLS regarding them, is that many of them have been authors, teachers, newspaper editors, and involved in other occupations that require education. They are known primarily, by some persons, as being very intelligent and artistic craftsmen and scholars. But they were also severely oppressed and mistreated and hence why they were put in a position to be unshod and interbred in the first place.
And, yes, I'm pretty sure they are mostly Scots and Irish; though not just.
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HopelesslyHopeful
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Dec 4 @ 9:57AM
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Oh and thanks for the link! Looks like there's some good info there!
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prada_red
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Feb 14 @ 12:27PM
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I also believe that the Holocaust was a terrible injustice. But I hope you do not believe these Scot-Irish descendents, who were not really slaves, but indentured servants (hence there was a decison made somewhere along the line) had comperable pain, suffering, sexual humiliation, devastating effects, psychologically and socio-economically which effects are still felt today. Because the bottom line was it was all about race. Some whites may have had it bad, and some blacks had it good. However that was one quick snapshot in American History. There was a complete 360, and it was long, and brutal, and it was the biggest social injustice in American History. It is like comparing a little kitchen fire, to a gigantic California wildfire. You are wrong for trying to minimize what happend to black people, because that is exactly what you are doing. You need to re-take American History 101. As a matter of fact, you should re-take all the American History you had in elementary school, if you even went. Because you obviously were not paying attention. And this is coming from a real American. Hard working, never had to take a hand out. And never blamed anyone for the way my life turned out. If you are not happy with yourself, try something different. Whatever it is you are doing right now is not working, and you sound like you hate yourself.
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HopelesslyHopeful
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Feb 20 @ 3:40PM
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Wrong, Prada Red You have entirely missed the point.
See, what happened to the blacks in America was NOT the worst injustice in history and to tell the truth of what happened to the Irish and Scottish, who were not just indentured servants but slaves- and slaves that were usually treated worse than black slaves - and to tell the truth of what happened to Jews for thousands of years, and the Chinese in America, and the Japanese in America, and the American Indians, in America, and the blacks in "the Americas' but who were not even in North America and whom were treated worse there, in general, than the ones in North America.... to tell the truth of the plight of other ethnicities, other injustices, is not MINIMIZING what happened to blacks The effect of embracing the truth is EQUALIZiNG
In other words, don't hate me because I'm Irish, American Indian, and Chinese and don't assume none of my ancestors had it bad, and that only yours did. Read real history, not just from the black person's perspective geared towards making blacks feel allegedl empowered but which, more often than not., seems to leave them feeling out of the loop - but real ships manifests and journals and etc. that tell what happened to other people, too.
I can't believe you even came at me with that racist statement about Irish and Scottish people ... that YOU MINIMIZED what happened to THEM . I don't deserve to have your hate-crime lies spewed about my ancestors!
Sound familiar?
Get educated as to the FACTS!
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HopelesslyHopeful
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Feb 20 @ 3:56PM
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PS: I just emailed you this, Prada Red. It is the only email you will receive from me, so kindly take heed:
You know, your entire comment was uncalled for, childish, and had no bearing on reality. You should be ashamed of yourself!
You don't know me, or how I sound. You didn't even properly read the blog you commented on, much less every other one I wrote! If you had properly read it, you'd know that I was talking about PROOF, not just my own personal feelings.
Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to not even try to listen to what people are blogging about, and seek to attack them and insult them based on our own ignorance.
Real American - as opposed to what? Because by the laws of America, toots, I am a real American and a real American would not dare to call me otherwise, unless I asked them to, for fear of corrupting their Constitution!
Totally disgusting comment. I hope you grow up!
You can comment on the blog, so long as you read it and have something rational and less personally offensive to say. But, if you email me or you post on my blog, again, and insult my intelligence, my character, or my citizenship, then I will block you and I will report you for it. And, by that, I mean in part: DO NOT EMAIL ME AT ALL! I don't like racists, especially ones that think only their little group gets to be Americans, regardless of what the law says.
Thank you and have a nice day.
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HopelesslyHopeful
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Feb 20 @ 4:00PM
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Oh and one last thing, Prada Red;
America is NOT the world! Nor is racial hatred, ethnic cleansing, etc. mitigated by the circumstance of it not having happened in America!
What happened,especially with the Irish, went on for thousands of years. So, yeah, it didn't all happen in America. I'm sure that made them all feel better to know, when they were tortured, raped, and worked to death after having been ripped away from their family. Or, while watching it also happen to their family.
But, hey, keep up your social ignorance, keep being insular, because it's what is really pulling America together as a nation, isn't it? NOT!
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