Not the madness of Muslims but the madness of uptight, puritanical beings that would openly imply that to be a Muslim is to be a Satan worshipper.
There is a saying.. I can't even remember which part of the Bible it's in right now, may be in the Sermon on the Mount, so this is not a direct quote by any means.
It says with what you are judging you shall yourself be judged.
That's very applicable here. If they can say that anyone who is not a strict adherent to .. whatever it is they believe is right... is a Satan worshipper, anyone who doesn't follow the teachings from the Holy Scriptures.. or anything is said of that nature, by them .. then they have set the standards for which they will be judged and that from the same book they sought to judge others by.
You know what it is, in part? Besides stupidity, which it surely is. I mean, do you know what kind of stupidity it is? It's the kind of stupidity that revolves around approaching things from the exact opposite angle.
I mean .. and bear with me as I am fuzzy-brained this morning:
If a person had dedicated their life to the Christ, had received and been led by holy spirit, and then they got involved with Muslims, Buddhists, whatever .. and they decided it was easier to join in with them, and they denied the holy spirit, etc. then the people who knew them could say that this person was given over to Satan. .. because they would know that at one point he was truly with God and he turned his back on that.
But, someone who was raised Muslim, Buddhist, etc. or who wasn't raised into a religion at all but chose of their own free will and by their own studies to become that, is not denying anything, not forsaking any teachings .. at least not just by being what they are.
It's denying what you know is true that is wrong .. but if you learn something else is more true, it is not denying, it is growing. And if you have yet to learn what is true, it is also not denying.
As long as you are a Muslim who believes that it is right and you follow the proper teachings because you believe it is right .. well.. at least you are doing what is, by your own beliefs, right.
Now, if someone shares something with a person that they then believe is right and goes against their beliefs, and yet they decide to adhere to the things they know, rather than to investigate what they believe is right, then there are other issues. But that is certainly not for others to say... that is between the person and God.
The only one who should be questioning if Muslims are Satan worshippers are Muslims .. or Satan worshippers. But I think they already know the answer, most of them, in either case.
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sparechange64
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May 21 @ 1:12PM
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Mathew 7:1 "Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2 "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3 "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
HOWEVER,
Ezekiel 33:8 "When I say to the wicked, 'O wicked man, you will surely die,' and you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require from your hand. 9 "But if you on your part warn a wicked man to turn from his way and he does not turn from his way, he will die in his iniquity, but you have delivered your life.
I THINK the key here is learning the difference between judgement and discernment. Judgement would be telling someone that they are going to hell or that there behavior is going to send them to hell, while discernment may be pointing out to a person that though they say or claim to be spiritual in some nature or they go to church, that their behavior - is or may be in contradiction to the teachings of whatever "BOOK" they are following
And I totally agree, we cannot necessarily fault the believer, but the teacher
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HopelesslyHopeful
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May 21 @ 1:36PM
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Good comment, thank you!
And thank you for posting that scripture, too.
The point being that if you tell people they are worshippers of Satan because they were taught something outside of strict Christianity, then you had better be absolutely sure that you never have and neve will do anything unchristian.
Yet telling them that is unchristian.
Telling them the good news of the Kingdom is Christian. A person who is trying to do good, though, is not wicked.. they are wicked if they are not trying to do good. They may be wrong, even if they are trying to do good .. they may believe things that are false, but wickedness is rebelliousness, hatefulness, judgemental behavior, etc.
A witch who does not know either God or his view on witchcraft is a sinner, but not necessarily wicked. But a Christian who turns to witchery has a wicked heart.
That is my understanding.
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new2ma
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May 21 @ 2:43PM
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Just a fact here. Muslims DO believe in Christ and they worship the same God that we do, they just call him by a different name. A little known fact, Jesus Christs name is mentioned more times in the Quran/Koran than it is the holy bible. You know if people would stop being so ignorant and go read other relions holy books they would soon discover that people are not so different. A thought for the day, there will be other religons than christians in heaven one day. If you can't get along with a certain race or religon of people down here you will not be able to get into heaven due to heaven is not divided. Everyone will be the same there. Organized religon is why we have wars in this world because everyone thinks that their RELIGON is the right one, however most religions make up bull.... rules and regulations that have nothing to do with God.
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sparechange64
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May 21 @ 3:09PM
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quoting "You know if people would stop being so ignorant and go read other relions holy books they would soon discover that people are not so different"
http://www.ethicalatheist.com/docs/islam_infidels.html
and that's from an atheist 
http://www.ropma.net/killing_by_beheading_is_islamic.htm
quoting "there will be other religons than christians in heaven one day"
yes ... but also, Mathew 10:32"Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven. 33 "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven. 34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword
quoting "If you can't get along with a certain race or religon of people down here you will not be able to get into heaven" seems a little judgemental
quoting "Organized religon is why we have wars" this also seems judgemental ... but look at the "religions" whom started these wars
quoting "however most religions make up bull" religion can be defined as the belief in something that you must have faith in as there is not provable evidence ... so yes, the religion of evolution ... and Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, etc ... the MANY so-called christendom religions whom claim certain things, but do not practice these very things ... which again proves the point I have been making again and again and again - though I now realize I have to change the wording slightly ... PEOPLE who say they are religious, do not necessarily practice those religious bahaviors written in the "BOOKS" they value
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HopelesslyHopeful
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May 21 @ 3:10PM
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*ahem * Yeah .. well, not according to the Muslims I studied with. Because the God that I believe in did not have any prophets after Jesus and for a very good reason. Jesus was whom was being prophecied about.
The ones I studied with believed Jesus was a very good man who was a prophet of God and that Christians were the antichrist for having failed to live up to the teachings of the Christ and for having perverted them, and that was why another prophet was needed later to lead the true followers of God to the true faith.
Seriously.
To many Muslims, thusly, Christians are what to many Christians Jews are. . the people who once had it right but failed to keep up with the times.
A thought for the day, there will be other religons than christians in heaven one day.
Nothing in the teachings of the Christ or the Mosaic Laws in any way indicates that heaven is a place where the population of the earth at large gets to go. In fact, Jesus made it clear that not even John The Baptist would be in heaven. Judaism does not teach that it's followers go to heaven or if it does it is some new and recent perversion of it's teachings because it surely did not do so throughout history up until now.
While Christianity is it's own religion, it is also built upon the same truths as Judaism. They worship the same God, believe in the same promises, etc. There are differences but .. if Moses could not get into Heaven, why do you think your average person who isn't even putting in that sort of effort would?
The people who get into heaven are those hand picked by the Christ who do not fail him. Judas was hand picked but failed. No heaven for him.
As to everyone being the same, that is true: for the Holy Scriptures state that the Kingdom of God will be over the whole earth and everyone will have to know that he is Jehovah.
This is not a debate, by the way, on the pronunciation of his name: Jehovah IE: the one true God, the Creator, He who causes to become; the Grand Instructor; the God and Father of Jesus the Christ; the one who gives life and takes life. If the only thing you are doing wrong is a mispronunciation of his name, I'm sure he'll help you get it straight!
Organized religon is why we have wars in this world because everyone thinks that their RELIGON is the right one
Wrong!
however most religions make up bull.... rules and regulations that have nothing to do with God.
Right!
Organization is not wrong, religion is not wrong .. worshipping falsely or organizing yourself to tear down and take over other peoples is wrong. Where most religions go wrong is not in their original teachings but in their allowing themselves to be perverted by inner and outer influences including greed for money, sex, and power.
To have religion is to dedicate yourself to a lifestyle. To be truly religious is to actually live by that dedication. Most people who claim to be religious give it lip service, not true dedication.
If two leaders from a country are both dedicated to a religion that promotes peace, whether it is the same or a different religion, and are truly religious, their countries will not be at war.
Religion is not the problem .. hypocrisy is. And you can be an atheist or agnostic and still be a hypocrite!
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HopelesslyHopeful
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May 21 @ 3:14PM
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PEOPLE who say they are religious, do not necessarily practice those religious bahaviors written in the "BOOKS" they value
That and some people are religious and don't even know it.
If you dedicate your life to pornography, you are a very religious person. . but you are hardly going to get into heaven for your efforts.
Every serial killer dedicates their life to a goal and their own desires become their god.
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sparechange64
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May 21 @ 4:06PM
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quoting "some people are religious and don't even know it"
yes that is Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo true
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HopelesslyHopeful
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May 21 @ 5:42PM
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Thank you! Unless you are being a smart alec right at me and I remain clueless. In that case: bite my left knee!
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sparechange64
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May 22 @ 1:37AM
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of course I am NOT being a smart alec ... people "preach" at me every day about their evolution religion
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HopelesslyHopeful
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May 22 @ 1:41AM
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Whoops .. I think I put the comment I intended to go here on a different blog lol
Ah well .. my knee is adorable .. you should have elected to bite it. Unless you are a cannibal .. then forego your desires, Sir, for I shall be called long pork for no man!
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