It never ceases to amaze me how much time non-believers spend trying to bedunk religion ... it's even comical ... to an extent
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The fact is, is that you have no conclusive proof that it didn't happen that way ... no conclusive proof that it happened another way. Again and again and again I have debated with most of the people around here and have proven again and again and again this point of no conclusive proof ... I am not advocating I have conclusive proof either ... 
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Christians do not go around telling you evolutionists that you are retards or neanderthals or anything else - AND IF THEY DO, I would question if they really are a Christian
And listen to a very important point here: all the childish behavior here; calling people names and making fun of them - shows all your true selves ... that really, you are afraid it might be true .. that you must practice this childish and hateful behavior to justify your fear ... this is a simple fact that any psychologist would agree with ... after all, If you were not afraid of it, then you would simply ignore it
It's sad that when people push and push and push when a person makes a poor comment, some of you are the first ones to point the finger about their behavior ... and yet some of you act this way everyday ... I do not know how what you expect in life, WHY you continue to persecute religion, and generally you can even look in the mirror when you treat people like this ... it's disgusting 
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If you want to have debate - fine ... if you want to call names, make accusations, and generally act like an idiot ... most will not listen
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cudahudson
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Sep 3 @ 2:23PM
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 Well said my friend......
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Fender
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Sep 3 @ 2:57PM
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...I think that everyone should be allowed to believe what they want, and not be told they are going to go to "hell" or anywhere else unpleasant.
I also believe that no matter what you believe in, that is your right, and no one has any business saying anything about it. Or try to dissuade you from what you believe.
...If you believe in God and if you don't, we are all the same...No one has the right to put your beliefs down.
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safeharbor007
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Sep 3 @ 3:05PM
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Here Here very well PUT  
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Skydognc
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Sep 3 @ 3:07PM
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AND IF THEY DO, I would question if they really are a Christian
A man who truly knows what Christianity is all about!
shows all your true selves ... that really, you are afraid it might be true
and that, as you already know, answers the question!
great blog SC !
Glad to see ya still here in blogland!
Sky...
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kjac
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Sep 3 @ 3:16PM
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I hope you're not pretending the christians are innocent in this, when you know for a fact that isn't true. The largest attackers of christianity are christians. The ones who exhibit irrational behavior, then refer to any christian who doesn't exhibit the same irrational behavior as not acting like a christian.
How many times have you yourself had a christian question your faith, or how many times have you questioned the faith of other christians?
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Hobbit101
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Sep 3 @ 3:24PM
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I know that god is my lord and saviour and jesus died on the cross for me, and I say this in testimony to all who see it .
for those who care to debate me on my faith.? DONT! cause youde be wasting time. Amen!
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eastham
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Sep 3 @ 3:27PM
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Christians do not go around telling you evolutionists that you are retards or neanderthals or anything else - AND IF THEY DO, I would question if they really are a Christian
Of course, most Christians do not equate their belief in Jesus Christ with creationism. A belief in creationism is not necessary to be a Christian.
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Skydognc
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Sep 3 @ 3:33PM
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Kjac.........
the way I see it.......
true Christians avoid this type of confrontation. They will answer as best as they can, and will debate, but in care and understanding of a non-believers point of view, feelings, and opinion.
Those who claim they are christians, but get hostile, nasty, and even violent, using the Bible to promote self-righteousness, I would seriously question, if in fact they are true christians, or just think they are.
there is a big difference in a christian, and a self appointed christian.
JMO!
btw.............. hiyaz!
hows things tween you two?
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kjac
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Sep 3 @ 3:44PM
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Those who claim they are christians, but get hostile, nasty, and even violent, using the Bible to promote self-righteousness, I would seriously question, if in fact they are true christians, or just think they are.
That's my point. Why is it ok for a christian to question whether or not these irrational people are christians, but an atheist can't?
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sparechange64
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Sep 3 @ 3:51PM
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kjac - I am not pretending anything ... even REAL Christians are guilty of wrong doing ... but that your comment has already been answered
"Christians do not go around telling you evolutionists that you are retards or neanderthals or anything else - AND IF THEY DO, I would question if they really are a Christian"
The fact is, is that people who SAY they are Christians often attack me for pointing out their non-Christian behaviors ... they must do this in order to justify their non-Christian beliefs ... I do NOT swear at them ... I do not tell them they are hellbound ... I do NOT call them retarded ... I am pointing out FACTS ... that their behavior contradicts the Bible
People who KNOW they are Christians do not attack me
If a person goes to church and the:
- Pastor/Preacher/Minister/Priest was or is: divorced or homosexual
- believes and preaches evolution ... and YES, the Bible teaches Creation
- finds all abortion acceptable
- wants you to confess everything to one person
- believes and teaches about aliens/ufo's
- the list is long, but you get the point
then that church is exhibiting NON-Christian behaviors
As I speculated ... just as only a certain smaller percentage of muslims are radical, that only a certain smaller percentage of christians - are Christians
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kjac
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Sep 3 @ 4:06PM
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The problem is spare, IMO too many people believe the irrational, hate-filled christians like Pat Robertson speak for all christians. When in fact, they only speak for the irrational, hate-filled political religion he leads. I agree, if people would tune them out, the world would be a better place. And people are starting to, as seen by recent events in America.
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Kandykammy
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Sep 3 @ 4:10PM
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Like you stated, I also think non believers attack all religions because they are afraid that there just might be some truth to religion. Good blog
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hereshannon
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Sep 3 @ 4:15PM
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I don't need any more proof. When I see an amazing sunset over the ocean, or the mountains of Tennessee in the Fall with their intense colors, or the natural beauty of a woman, I know that there is a God. These things simply could not have happened just by chance, they were created.
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Skydognc
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Sep 3 @ 4:27PM
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I think even moreso, an atheist has and should question and inquire. I think atheists are the bst judges between a real Christian and a hypocrite. And I think the most intelligent conversations take place between opposing opinions, provided both parties are open to hear the other. If not, its all a waste of time for both sides.
As SC said.......... those hypocrites that feel it is their calling, to judge others, and attack, are most likely, totally lost and clueless as to true Christuanity. A true believer will never answer through their own thoughts or beliefs, rather, they will answer as guided by the prompting of the Holy Spirit. That is what seperates a believer, from a hypocrite.
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sparechange64
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Sep 3 @ 4:34PM
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There is truth in the doggies words ... however, I want to point out that quite often, and probably more often then not - non-christians can and do "Lump" everyone together who "SAY" they are Christians
Most lack Biblical teaching and knowledge and therefore often may not know the difference ... I said most, NOT all
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iam7545
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Sep 3 @ 5:21PM
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spare - I think that those that have this out of balance obsession to attack religion must have had an incident in their past that they cannot live past. It is really sickening if you ask me. And I agree - religious people generally ignore those that are not - they certainly do not attack them the way so called atheists attack religious people. When the Jehova Witnesses come to my house I tell them I am a Jew - and they leave with kind words. The religious forums here are a perfect example if the wounded ones attacking anyone that believes in God or Jesus. Most of the Bible teaches us that we are human - and that God is forgiving. Unfortunately Atheists do not have such an example.
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sybnann
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Sep 3 @ 5:25PM
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I would just like to point out that "being a christian", doesn't mean someone that goes to church or even studies the bible. A "christian" is one that has a personal relationship with "God". Christianity is not a religion. It is a spiritual connection between the person and the almighty creator.
A person of any faith that believes in a higher power or believes in God, can be a christian. Only God knows their heart. On the other hand, just because a person attends church every Sunday, reads their bible, and preaches damnation to another, does NOT make them a christian.
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edthepoet
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Sep 3 @ 5:28PM
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The word attack shouldn't enter into a conversation when it comes to having a debate for or against anyone beliefs for or against. Christianity was never to be a religion, rather a way of life. Here's the proof, Jesus died a Jew, not a Christian.
His teaching and the Bible are to inspire people, never to be used as a weapon.
It was mankind that try to take his teaching and make into a religion, hence all the types of Christians, yet there was only one Jesus. With some insane thinking and non-biblical ways, such as annulment.
Now, I never understood why any non-believer would waste one second reading the Bible. Just stick to their beliefs and don't waste their time getting into a debate, its totally pointless.
Yes, there's major fighting going on with the many types of Christian churches battling for the money and the power. The complete opposite of what Jesus would true want.
In my opinion, the holy-roller your all going to hell so-called Christians are Christians at all.
Jesus died for our sins, not because we are perfect or will ever be able to reach that level.
Basically here'o what Jesus wants from us, He wants us to believe in him,hence the word "Faith" He wants us to try to live up to his word, yes he knows we will fail him at times. He knows sometimes we will go backwards, sideways and forwards, but as long as you never stop believing in him and pick your soul up and move towards him once again, you will have his unconditional love.
Its not about being nice, doing good deeds, quoting verses from the Bible like a parrot, nor it thinking you have any power to judge people and finally its not about going to church every Sunday.
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kjac
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Sep 3 @ 6:00PM
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Sky raises a good point about atheists. I don't pretend to speak for all atheists, but as an outsider looking in, I do notice things a lot of rational good christians don't notice. And usually, when these things that are generally accepted are questioned, it is viewed as an attack.
I have found sane, rational people willing to discuss these topics in the religious forums here, despite the attempts of the seldom few to disrupt the topics. But the fact is, religion is an opinion viewed as fact. That is true for every religion. Because it is an opinion, religion will always be subject to change by human thought and changing times. Because it is viewed as fact, there is no room for discussion in the mind of the person holding it to be true.
Since that last bit may have been confusing, I will use an example. Evolution and religion. While it is accepted by the catholic church, there is no room in the minds of evangelicals for it. Therefore, the religious opinion of the catholics is that evolution is possible, and the religious opinion of the evangelicals is that it is heresy and evil incarnate. Both sides see their views as fact.
And as an atheist, I see both views for what they are. Opinions. Maybe when the christians stop attacking themselves and others over opinions, people will take their claims of persecution against them seriously.
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Kat_luvr
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Sep 3 @ 6:15PM
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I would rather live my life as if there were a GOD and he will judge me now, then not and find out later it's true.
There isn't a lot I can say to change a non believers mind until he is ready to open up to listening. A closed mind will not even consider the possibility.
Most atheists will come to find the LORD when they open their minds, and hearts and start searching on their own, usually reading the Bible in refutation to a christian argument.
Most people put Christians down for talking about their faith but they don't realize that as Christians we are commanded to share the Good News. But as Jesus commanded, if a town won't have you move on ( or to put it in modern language... screw 'em... Next town....  )
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sparechange64
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Sep 3 @ 8:06PM
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True Syb ... to a POINT ... Yes you must go to church - but not necessarily to a building ... especially the buildings I spoke of. Any place where two or more meet, is Church ... you need fellowship with others to grow - that is a fact
Ed ... as I stated ... those who fight like you describe - I question ... those who point out discrepancies with their behaviors compared to Biblical teachings are not necessarily "fighting"
kjac ... there are those in the forums that are there for the sole purpose in the attempt to attack it ... they show up in the blogs sometimes
thanks for the discussion
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iam7545
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Sep 3 @ 8:50PM
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I have found sane, rational people willing to discuss these topics in the religious forums here, despite the attempts of the seldom few to disrupt the topics
That is the funniest thing I have EVAH read on MD - have fun kjac! 
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kjac
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Sep 3 @ 9:05PM
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spare-
Just an observation from my time in the forums, but I have found katts, Angel54214, eastham, and bandtmom very capable of holding rational discussions. These are just a few that come to mind, but there are certainly others. As far as historical references, Angel and eastham are two very capable people. Katts and bandtmom are two of the most spiritual people on here. I'm off to work, but I hope you will ask yourself this question. I have asked this to myself repeatedly, tonight included. It works every time to give me perspective.
Are you really bothered by something you see on the internet?
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MetryTechie
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Sep 3 @ 9:07PM
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Great blog, SC.
God bless!
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edthepoet
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Sep 3 @ 9:59PM
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You need not to go to church, Jesus is the Church, in the Bible your actually suppose to pray in private. Now, there's nothing wrong with fellowship, but its not required.
The worst possible place to learn about the Bible is in a standard religious Church, because year after year they teach the same basic stuff. Most churches never ask the people what they think about anything, actually they prefer the members not to read the bible. They want to indoctrinate the members into their way of thinking, try at any church and stand up and question that lesson that day, even when they know what they are teaching is wrong. I can assure you, you will be thrown out.
Most churches are self-serving, it never about the true teachings of Jesus, its about the power and the money. Just look in most Catholic churches, they pray to Mary, they known full well the bible says not too. Also they have statues of her in equal size of Jesus and they also know this big time wrong.
When the priests were raping the children, they did nothing, other then turn their heads and allowed it to continued, the Pope should have been arrested, he has full knowledge of it happen in many churches throughout the world.
Now, the members are now paying for the settlement for these rapes.
Then the sick part, where the Pope has people kneeling before him and they have to kiss his ring. Nowhere in the Bible does it mention a pope or tells you to kneel before him and kiss his ring.
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sparechange64
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Sep 6 @ 8:30PM
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first ... Sorry for the late reply ...
kjac ... I am bothered by people who say they are good people or christian people who blog and write in the forums with nothing better to do than attack, when ... largely speaking ... most know little or just enough about the subject to get into trouble and sound not ignorant ... but hateful and plane stupid
Ed ... I strongly believe that christians need and are commanded to go to church ... but as I stated before, church is not some building where hypocrates meet
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