Well then ... here we are in the world where we have "LUMPED" two separate ideas into a single category.
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First - I would never argue that it would ever be a good idea to criticize, make fun of, hurt anyone, or anything of the like of a homosexual or lesbian - It's abuse
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But one thing I am certain - many people simply do not understand it ... at all.
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I'll start by saying I have always been against the behavior, but was previously insensitive to it ... until some years ago when I went to a function where two different cousins were - yep ... one was a homosexual and another a lesbian.
It took many years for me to try to understand ... but then I did start to try to understand how this could happen - following, I will give several reasons why the behavior is practiced;
1. Chemical imbalance: previously, all the psychiatric world diagnosed it as a mental disorder. One scientists tracked a chemical known to be prescribed to over 9 million women from 1939 through 1971 when it was discovered it created a chemical imbalance in male children ... the same chemical imbalance that is created when operations and medications are taken for "the change". The chemicals were previously experimented on animals after WW1 and used on them until the 80's. no one has done any extensive studies to show whether or not the consumption of the beef, pork, or chicken has any down-stream affects. These chemicals are a blend of synthetics mixed with hormones and estrogens - making them chemically binding to the person
2. Secondly: several doctors (yes even women doctors) have written extensively about shock, rape, abuse, etc. and the affects of it. While these situations have a relatively low affect on the male mind, women are often so changed by these experiences that the turn to own species and accept the lifestyle
3. Thirdly: deviance - people with either no system or a different system or morals and values ... these people Most often do not believe in God or religion ... many of the people in this category either have or do use drugs
4. So to all the people in the world who have experienced abuse of some sort from teasing to delaying of services, to beatings or whatever - you do not deserve this. I hope and expect that the persons responsible are punished
5. To all the people who think it is simply normal behavior and I have to accept a pastor or mayor or anyone else that is homosexual or lesbian - you are forcing your belief on me ... that would be like me telling you that you HAVE to accept and go to church ... EVERYONE
6. by the way ... it turns out my aunt was one of the women who took the drug ... and my cousin was raped when she was 15 years old ... quite a coincidence
7. Interesting that the same numbers of representatives of the behaviors do NOT exist in other places 
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kjac
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Sep 8 @ 6:19PM
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I have a question regarding one of your lumpings.
3. Thirdly: deviance - people with either no system or a different system or morals and values ... these people Most often do not believe in God or religion ... many of the people in this category either have or do use drugs
Do you share the extremely condescending feeling that something bad must have happened to make someone not believe in god? It seems you are associating atheism with drug abuse and homosexuality on this one.
Also, what about the religious gays who don't use drugs like ex-Senator Craig and former NFL player Esera Tuaolo?
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NoelBorg
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Sep 8 @ 6:26PM
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All i can say is that there is a big rate of homosexual and lesbian, i believe that there are some chemicals involved, i no straight man and even married turned gay, even many man goes to Thailand to fantasise with she males which for me its still gay.
i do believe it could be medicine that has this chemicals.
maybe I'm crazy but i also believe that HIV was created intensionally to kill people cause of the rate of millions of people generating threw out the world.
well we all believe in something, but I /we could be wrong, who knows? God Knows.
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sparechange64
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Sep 8 @ 6:28PM
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kjac - you are lumping two groups of people together who share some of the same beliefs ... the only thing it says is that the lack of some system can lead to this from SOME people ...
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kjac
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Sep 8 @ 6:31PM
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So what leads the religious who were never abused or ever used drugs to homosexuality?
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sparechange64
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Sep 8 @ 6:34PM
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could be any of the listed ... remember ... just because someone says they are a Christian or are religious - doesn't necessarily mean anything
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NoelBorg
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Sep 8 @ 6:37PM
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BTW,I have nothing against the gays as long they wont try to drill me a bigger hole,  my hole is exit only no entrance,haha but as lesbians i would not mind them in bed with me lol. 
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kjac
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Sep 8 @ 7:00PM
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Before people jump on the KJAC fan club for the next statement, this is not directed at anyone here at MD.
I seriously question the motives and actual orientation of anyone who speaks loudly against homosexuality. As we've seen repeatedly in the past, the loudest against something are often the most guilty.
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sparechange64
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Sep 8 @ 7:09PM
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just offering some scientific or psychological idedas that have been stated by others ... info is out there - read
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iam7545
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Sep 8 @ 7:15PM
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spare - I am convinced that some just were created with "unsure" sexual identity. I will not make any judgment on Gays. I grew up with a guy that was feminine - he practiced homosexual behavior during a time in history when it was NOT accepted as it is today. As kids we knew he was feminine - he couldn't help it. I had deep symapathy for Phillip for one reason - he was subject to so much cruelty. While I understand there are many unique circumstances regarding Gays - I do not think it fair for me to stand in judgment as I have not had to walk in their shoes. My experience is that it has little to do with drugs. I meet and do business with many gay couples - many have children. Most are quite successful and appear to be healthy people. Generally they are much better to do business with than straight couples!! I think it is great that they can live in a tolerant world and I pray that the world can allow them that. I used to get upset when children were involved. Then I realized that I have few friends that grew up in a healthy family environment - so I have learned to let it be. Who really knows the truth about this?
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kjac
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Sep 8 @ 7:23PM
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I will. But instead of always saying the truth is out there, why not say where it is. Is it hiding? It always chafes me that people keep asking for proof of things, yet when asked for proof themselves, simply tell me to look it up.
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Kat_luvr
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Sep 8 @ 7:27PM
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What I dislike is they push their beliefs and if you don't agree they call you names like a 'phobe or hater. Now who is being intolerant?
Personally I have to say there are people embracing this immoral lifestyle b/c it is cool! I have read chats where people said "THEY CHOSE", it isn't a case of being born that way.
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LipGlossQueen9
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Sep 8 @ 7:33PM
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1) I don't force my beliefs on anyone.
2) I didn't choose to be this way and if I could go back and change it I would. Sorry if that's not what everybody wanted to hear, but it would save me a lot of abuse I experienced in my life.
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sparechange64
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Sep 8 @ 7:58PM
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I say look it up because I have already offered some proof ... which is challenged and not believed
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Naturistman
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Sep 8 @ 8:16PM
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Gee kinda funny the people who cry the loudest about intolerance are the lest tolerant. Just because someone dares speak out about a deviant lifestyle (not derogitory only descriptive) they are labeled as homophobic or gay bashing. Sorry, but don't label me for your problems!
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MahonMacRi
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Sep 8 @ 9:51PM
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Here are a few things you didn't touch on. Statistically, guys who have older brothers tend to be gay, which I always thought was kind of odd. Also, again statistically, homosexuality tends to run in families. I don't think think it's possible to explain homosexuality with any quick and easy label, or to fix the blame on any particular chemical process...there are probably as many factors as there are gays.
Military doctors in the USSR reported tremendous success in curing homosexuals through aversion therapy during the 60s and 70s; this involved delivering shocks to the genitals whenever they were shown suggestive or erotic photographs of men, and not shocking when they were shown similar photographs of women. Today, many psych researchers believe homosexuality is a "learned behaviour," and thus not an inherent or "innate" thing at all.
Personally, I've never bought the propaganda from either side; I certainly don't buy the claim that it's a "healthy, natural life-style choice," (three lies for the price of one, like MRE's) since homosexuality is not practiced by any other Earthly life form, although certain species of dolphins do indulge in what could be regarded as "bisexual love-play." However, none of them have ever exclusively pair-bonded with another of the same gender, or shown a complete lack of interest in mating with the opposite gender. They simply seem to take great pleasure in nuzzling or otherwise penetrating eachothers' ventral slits, within which their sexual organs are stored.
I'm sure we've all heard gays promoting their orientation as "natural," by saying, "there are gay animals," but this clearly isn't true; they point to dogs and wolves as their proof, but the mounting behaviour they're talking about isn't even remotely sexual in nature. In point of fact, it's merely a means of enforcing the pack's hierarchical order, of maintaining an individuals' social status within the pack. Just because your male or female dog humps the neighbour's dog doesn't mean they're "gay"...all it means is that your dog is higher up in the pecking order, so to speak. Higher status females will often hump lower status males and females, just as higher status males do...it's just their way of showing lower-ranking dogs who's boss, and nothing more. This is true among dogs, wolves, hyenas and jackals, and even in many non-canid species.
As for the notion that AIDS was deliberately created, that's just a complete crock; there is in fact some VERY compelling evidence that shows the likeliest point of origin for AIDS was the Belgian Congo's massive Salk (Polio) vaccination program back in the mid 1960s. SIV, "simian immunodeficiency virus," was known to be widespread in those parts, and this was precisely why lab techs working on the project were expressly forbidden to use chimp glands; however, numerous reliable and scientifically-trained witnesses have testified under oath to having seen chimp glands used to culture the vaccine in the former Belgian Congo, now the independant nations of Rwanda, Zaire, and Burundi. (By the way....chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans aren't "monkeys," they're great apes....there's a very big difference there!)
If you do a simple map overlay comparing the original Belgian Congo vaccine program with the earliest reported cases of AIDS, you'll find a staggering and nearly-perfect 99.some-odd-% match between where the vaccine was originally administered and where the first cases of AIDS showed up, some 10 to 15 years later. Basically, what this means is that some lab techs broke the rules and allowed SIV-infected chimp glands to be used for culturing the vaccine (when they were strictly forbidden from doing so, and with very good reason) and Humanity is now suffering the AIDS scourge as a result.
In other words, the great plague of AIDS was the result of sloppiness and carelessness on the part of lab technicians, and not deliberately created as some people would have us believe.
Just my .02's worth, sincerely,  "Mac"
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LongRanger278
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Sep 8 @ 10:39PM
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Androgen 
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