SHYBLONDE48
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Nov 9 @ 9:04AM
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It makes me mad when I hear about the ACLU trying to take Christmas away. If people dont like Christmas then they should just not celebrate it.
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ladykay488
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Nov 9 @ 9:11AM
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I feel like we are losing America! God help us!!!!!!!!!
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SHYBLONDE48
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Nov 9 @ 9:16AM
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This might sound silly but the ACLU is making a big mistake trying to get rid of Christmas anyhow. Well not only is it a violation of peoples rights (which I thought the ACLU was all about) but this country will lose money and people will lose jobs. Just think about all the people that make Christmas lights & decorations...all the men that dress up like Santa and sit at the malls. A place around here decorates a park with tons of lights and I think some of the money they make goes to charities. They should think about all the money that wont be given to poor people because there wont be any bell ringers.
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youaremissed
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Nov 9 @ 9:16AM
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The way we deal with this here where I live is simple...The jews have a park where hey do their thing, the blacks have a park where they do their thing and the stores are allowed to do whatever they want... Personally though I'm technically jewish but spiritual by choice, I take offense when any minority attempts to whine and dictate...
I love christmas music and the lights and trees etc...Obviously it has a different meaning for me, but I'd be really ticked off if some a$$ tried to do away with the holiday tradition...
We have a mall here that decorates trees for sale done by various groups (jews included) and then they are judged and sold , the money goes to various local childrens charities... Our Government divides us politically, the small minded divide us as a people... Thats sad...
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whatagal
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Nov 9 @ 9:17AM
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If you do not stand up for what you believe in, you will fall for anything!
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iam7545
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Nov 9 @ 9:20AM
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This might sound silly but the ACLU is making a big mistake trying to get rid of Christmas anyhow. Well not only is it a violation of peoples rights (which I thought the ACLU was all about) but this country will lose money and people will lose jobs. Just think about all the people that make Christmas lights & decorations..
Shy - the ACLU does not care if it is doing the right thing! They have an agenda - They support liberal causes and try to change Law through the courts. The ACLU is NOT a government organization. It is a non-profit that has duped people into thinking that they are some sort of rights watchdog. Your Democrat friends snicker behind your back when they see rulings such as this!
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SweetNapaGuy
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Nov 9 @ 9:20AM
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even though they do not celebrate December 25
So the Christmas display would be set up on December 25th, and removed at the end of the day? More likely, it be put up in mid-November, kept up for a month or two, then taken down, running through several other major holidays.
This year's Hannakah starts on December 4th and runs through December 11th. It's based on a lunar calendar (like Easter), so the time to celebrate can vary from mid-November to mid-December.
How about Kwanzaa? It runs from December 26th to January 1st. Can't they put up a display, also?
How about Bodhi Day (Buddha's Enlightenment)? It's December 8th.
Eid al-adha (Islam's celebration of Abraham's faith in willingness to sacrifice his son, if God commands)? It's December 20th.
What's wrong with letting other people who have December holidays celebrate them, as well? All they wanted was to have the same priviledges claimed by the majority. Unfortunately, the town council wanted to celebrate only one religion, and didn't care about Jews, Buddhists, or Muslims (or whatever Kwanzaa is...). If given the choice between letting the minorities have public celebration or not letting anyone celebrate at all, they chose the latter.
And you're upset at the minorities because of this attitude? Where's the outrage at the town council?
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Cynbaby
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Nov 9 @ 9:22AM
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When you are in anywhere in Europe you can proudly say to someone on the street
"Merry Christmas" . Shame it's such a taboo word here now.
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 9:23AM
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This might sound silly but the ACLU is making a big mistake trying to get rid of Christmas anyhow. Well not only is it a violation of peoples rights (which I thought the ACLU was all about) but this country will lose money and people will lose jobs SHYBLONDE48 are not for people's rights. They have a whole other agenda. It is not for people's rights, they just use that as an excuse.
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SweetNapaGuy
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Nov 9 @ 9:23AM
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They support liberal causes and try to change Law through the courts.
Wow. I didn't know that the Reverend Jerrry Falwell was such a liberal pansy.
http://www.aclu.org/religion/frb/16040prs20020417.html
The ACLU fights to protect civil liberties of all Americans, INCLUDING fundamentalist televangelists who wouldn't spit on them if they were on fire.
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 9:28AM
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This year's Hannakah starts on December 4th and runs through December 11th. It's based on a lunar calendar (like Easter), so the time to celebrate can vary from mid-November to mid-December.
Napa other religions can put up any displays they want to. No one is stopping them, so why are they stopping us putting Christmas decorations?
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 9:31AM
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The ACLU fights to protect civil liberties of all Americans, INCLUDING fundamentalist televangelists who wouldn't spit on them if they were on fire.
The ACLU is not protecting my civil liberties.
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john49887
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Nov 9 @ 9:32AM
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You better hope no one is offended by your long, blond hair KK.
The ACLU will sue and force you to get it cut and dyed! 
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SweetNapaGuy
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Nov 9 @ 9:32AM
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As an addendum to my previous comment:
http://www.aclu.org/religion/public/16254res20050302.html
A whole lot of liberal, anti-Christian causes here:
September 20, 2005: ACLU of New Jersey joins lawsuit supporting second-grader's right to sing ""Awesome God"" at a talent show.
August 4, 2005: ACLU helps free a New Mexico street preacher from prison.
May 25, 2005: ACLU sues Wisconsin prison on behalf of a Muslim woman who was forced to remove her headscarf in front of male guards and prisoners.
February 2005: ACLU of Pennsylvania successfully defends the right of an African American Evangelical church to occupy a church building purchased in a predominantly white parish.
December 22, 2004: ACLU of New Jersey successfully defends right of religious expression by jurors.
December 14, 2004: ACLU joins Pennsylvania parents in filing first-ever challenge to ""Intelligent Design"" instruction in public schools.
November 20, 2004: ACLU of Nevada supports free speech rights of evangelists to preach on the sidewalks of the strip in Las Vegas.
November 12, 2004: ACLU of Georgia files a lawsuit on behalf of parents challenging evolution disclaimers in science textbooks.
November 9, 2004: ACLU of Nevada defends a Mormon student who was suspended after wearing a T-shirt with a religious message to school.
August 11, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska defends church facing eviction by the city of Lincoln.
July 10, 2004: Indiana Civil Liberties Union defends the rights of a Baptist minister to preach his message on public streets.
June 9, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska files a lawsuit on behalf of a Muslim woman barred from a public pool because she refused to wear a swimsuit.
June 3, 2004: Under pressure from the ACLU of Virginia, officials agree not to prohibit baptisms on public property in Falmouth Waterside Park in Stafford County.
May 11, 2004: After ACLU of Michigan intervened on behalf of a Christian Valedictorian, a public high school agrees to stop censoring religious yearbook entries.
March 25, 2004: ACLU of Washington defends an Evangelical minister's right to preach on sidewalks.
February 21, 2003: ACLU of Massachusetts defends students punished for distributing candy canes with religious messages.
October 28, 2002: ACLU of Pennsylvania files discrimination lawsuit over denial of zoning permit for African American Baptist church.
July 11, 2002: ACLU supports right of Iowa students to distribute Christian literature at school.
April 17, 2002: In a victory for the Rev. Jerry Falwell and the ACLU of Virginia, a federal judge strikes down a provision of the Virginia Constitution that bans religious organizations from incorporating.
January 18, 2002: ACLU defends Christian church's right to run ""anti-Santa"" ads in Boston subways.
Offhand, it looks like they take on cases that show the government's attempts to weaken the Bill of Rights. Since most of those attempts are on the part of the Rich White Male Protestant clique, it seems the ACLU is anti-White and anti-Christian. However, when on rare occasions the RWMP clique doesn't dominate, the ACLU has been known to fight for them.
It takes a lot of testicular fortitude to be in the ACLU. The majority wants to ignore and marginalize minority groups. You've got to fight the majority, and that's rarely any fun.
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SweetNapaGuy
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Nov 9 @ 9:36AM
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The ACLU is not protecting my civil liberties.
And that right there is the big problem: as long as someone else's civil liberties are being trampled, why should we care? After all, the government isn't currently going after me. My rights will be protected, because I'm in the majority.
Except at some point, you'll fall on the wrong side of some governmental decision. Who will fight for you, when you're in the minority? The ACLU? If you'd have your way, they'd be shut down.
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 9:40AM
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And you're upset at the minorities because of this attitude? Where's the outrage at the town council? The town council in Fort Collins let the ACLU lead the task force to come to a decision.
Now they get to decorate with snow flakes. Only the ACLU would have thought of snow flakes.
The task force should have thrown out the ACLU 
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iam7545
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Nov 9 @ 9:41AM
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Most of the so called liberal cases included other issues and were not brought forth strictly for the purpose suggested. Furthermore they take their lefty agenda to courts where they know they can break ground and then continue to erode our freedom!
Let's take a Vote HERE!!
I vote the the ACLU has their own agenda and would like to see them disbaded!!
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iam7545
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Nov 9 @ 9:43AM
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You better hope no one is offended by your long, blond hair KK.
The ACLU will sue and force you to get it cut and dyed!
I doubt that the ACLU would have the _*_*_*-0 to take on kammy! She is way too tough for a bunch of whack job liberals!
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SweetNapaGuy
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Nov 9 @ 9:48AM
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The task force should have thrown out the ACLU
Or they should have had the balls to simply have allowed the minorities to celebrate as well. Is it such a difficult concept? Why did they need to form a committee to investigate the matter? Are fairness and equality so unknown in the South that they can't imagine that minorities can possibly be their equal?
By having the ACLU lead the task force, they now can point to the ACLU as the culprit, and deflect all the blame from themselves. It's like a little kid who, finding out he can't be the quarterback, takes his football and goes home to sulk. "If we can't force-feed Christianity on Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, and Atheists, then no-one gets to celebrate their holidays. Waa waa waaa..."
Now answer the question: What do you have against children singing Christian songs? What do you have against Christian pastors preaching in the streets? What do you have against churches being able to open up wherever the zoning allows? What do you have against Christian students sharing their faith with their fellow students?
And another question: Why do you believe that all people are created equal, but some are more equal than others?
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youaremissed
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Nov 9 @ 9:48AM
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It seems that a minority of 15 Jewish people complained and wanted to put a display up also, even though they do not celebrate December 25, but the city said no, because if they let them, then everyone would want to put up displays for their religions which have nothing to do with December 25 which is Christ’s birthday.Kandy
Why did they say no though...  There must be many parks they could have allocated for the other religious groups, assuming not everyone in that town is christian...
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 9:49AM
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I vote the the ACLU has their own agenda and would like to see them disbaded!!
I vote to disable them and get rid of them forever.
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SweetNapaGuy
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Nov 9 @ 9:52AM
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I vote the the ACLU has their own agenda and would like to see them disbaded!!
I vote that Fundamentalism is a terrorist organization, and should be disbanded. And Atheists and non-Christian religions are a larger percentage (20-30%) of America than Fundamentalism (4-5%).
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SweetNapaGuy
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Nov 9 @ 9:54AM
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I vote to disable them and get rid of them forever.
And the government rejoices. It's so much easier to turn citizens into slaves when no-one is paying attention...
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 9:55AM
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Or they should have had the balls to simply have allowed the minorities to celebrate as well. Is it such a difficult concept? Why did they need to form a committee to investigate the matter? Are fairness and equality so unknown in the South that they can't imagine that minorities can possibly be their equal?
True the task force should have overrode the ACLU. I have no idea who brought the ACLU in on the task force meeting.
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 9:59AM
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And the government rejoices. It's so much easier to turn citizens into slaves when no-one is paying attention...
I would rather take a chance of being a slave than to have my religious rights taken away.
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iam7545
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Nov 9 @ 10:05AM
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kammy - local governments fear the ACLU because they get donations from liberal whack jobs that fund frivolous lawsuits like this. These lawsuits cost small towns hundreds of thousands of dollars and like any other scum bag attorney lawsuit - are often cheaper to settle. The ACLU thwarts our system and what many do not now is that when they settle a lawsuit they get the proceeds! Hmmmmmmmm
Now - I do not see this as a fundamentalist issue - clearly more than 70% of the USA is Christian. It is another example of Atheists trying impose their will. There were no Religious symbols being argued here. Just a Christmas tree and some lights! The ACLU puts people up to things like this to create lawsuits where they want to impose their will. They run advertisements on the internet looking for people in certain cities that are willing to be used by them. They are a FARCE!
Of course listening to folks that suggest to a Jew that we turn back the clock to Nazi Germany gives us an idea of the type of people that we are dealing with here on MD!
I VOTE TO SEND A LETTER TO OUR POLITICIANS AND ASK THAT THEY REMOVE THE ACLU NON PROFIT STATUS -
That will end this insanity!!
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SweetNapaGuy
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Nov 9 @ 10:06AM
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True the task force should have overrode the ACLU. I have no idea who brought the ACLU in on the task force meeting.
You're missing the point. The mind-boggling thing isn't that they invited the ACLU to head the committee. The mind-boggling thing is that they needed to form a committee at all.
I would rather take a chance of being a slave than to have my religious rights taken away.
As with the Christmas trees in the Seattle (?) airport last year, no-one was trying to take away your religious rights. Unless you admit that your religion requires that you take away the rights of other religions, of course. All that people wanted was equal treatment. Would it be so hard for you to admit that other people have the right to choose what to believe, or will you not be happy until everyone believes exactly as you do?
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LipGlossQueen9
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Nov 9 @ 10:14AM
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Oh god  Is the ACLU really that stupid, to think Athiests and Muslims are offended by Santa, Christmas trees, and Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer?
And if they are offended, they have a stick up their ass. The minority shouldn't win out over the majority like this, it's not the way this country was designed. Email Bill O'Reilly, kandy.
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travelwoman
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Nov 9 @ 10:14AM
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Christmas "as is" here and now.... is a big sales event and gift shower...
Did they cancel that, too???? (I bet the local Wal-Mart would fight it.. )
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SweetNapaGuy
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Nov 9 @ 10:15AM
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Of course listening to folks that suggest to a Jew that we turn back the clock to Nazi Germany gives us an idea of the type of people that we are dealing with here on MD!
Iam, I searched this thread. You were the first person to bring up the Nazis. What the hell are you talking about?
Or are you confusing me with Kenn again? I don't know Kenn. I am not Kenn. I am not even in the same part of the country as Kenn. I've never mentioned Nazis. I've never compared you to a Nazi. I'm sick of you putting words in my mouth.
And as for your oh-so-offended act? Grow the f*** up. Most Americans wouldn't know what a Jew looks like (unless they're Hasidic, of course). You list your religion as Spiritual. And why would most people responding to your blathering bother to look at your profile.
You jumped on Kenn (whose opinions I did NOT agree with, by the way) for calling you a fascist. "Oh, I'm a fascist? Well, you obviously have psychic powers and were able to determine that, without any evidence on this site or perhaps by researching something I said two years ago in a blog, that I'm a non-practicing Jew. So obviously, my intolerant, racist, militaristic, radical right viewpoints don't meric comparison to Nazism, the most extreme example of fascism. You must have meant it as a racist insult, even though as far as you could tell I'm a WASP. How dare you! I use this contrived excuse as a basis for rejecting your arguments, which I lack the intelligence and education to refute."
Your use of the race card infringes on the copyright of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Please cease and desist. You don't do it well, anyway.
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iam7545
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Nov 9 @ 10:28AM
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^^^^^^^^^^
One day I will post what he wrote and what you wrote - on a blog!
Tell the truth sir!
BYE BYE!
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SweetNapaGuy
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Nov 9 @ 10:29AM
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Is the ACLU really that stupid, to think Athiests and Muslims are offended by Santa, Christmas trees, and Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer?
How many people on that committee? The ACLU headed the committee, but did they hand-select the members? Was it a committee by fiat (i.e. the committee head has final say), or was it majority rules?
By sending it to committee, more than one person is responsible for this decision. Why is all the blame being rested on the ACLU? The ACLU would have been happy with total inclusion, so it's the other committee members who screwed up a really simple concept.
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vettman454
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Nov 9 @ 10:30AM
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Law or no law, they can't stop us. If I want to put up a Christmas tree and wreath on my door, then I will do so! If they want to lock me up for that, let them come and get me and I will sit in the jail cell and sing, Merry Christmas to you.
These so called laws have gotten out of hand and nobody will tell me what I can or can not do on my own property. Christmas is the celebration of our lord's birthday.
We have the right to celebrate that. I they don't like it? come tell me to my face and lets see what happens.
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SweetNapaGuy
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Nov 9 @ 10:35AM
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One day I will post what he wrote and what you wrote - on a blog!
Please, do. Please post a link, too, because you've been known to lie your ass off. In fact, don't wait for one day. Find it now. My comments, my bewilderment at your attempts to insert words in my mouth, are I believe in LongRanger's blogs. It's the one about "Education vs. Religion."
To those who view that blog, witness Kenn make a comment comparing iam's beliefs to fascism. Kenn went a bit far, using Nazism as an example, but that's about the same level as calling the loony left a bunch of Stalinists or Maoists.
iam then jumped in with "Oh, I'm a Jew and I'm going to be offended." At that point, I checked out his profile: Religion = Spiritual. So I figured he was just trolling.
"Isn't 'iam' a bad name to choose," remembering my lessons on how the Pharisees reacted when Jesus said he was "I am."
"Oh, now you're a rabbi as well as an anti-Semite? Why don't you and your neo-Nazi friend Kenn go screw yourselves. I'm blocking both of you from ever emailing, commenting, or glancing at me."
http://www.matchdoctor.com/blog_71909/Education_v_s_Religion.html
That's the gist of it. Please, iam, feel free to find where you acted reasonable and where I acted racist.
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cancun1999
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Nov 9 @ 10:35AM
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I vote to disable them and get rid of them forever. I agree with you sister..We need to get rid of them.. Who are they to say no Christmas..That is outragious.. 
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hammertime
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Nov 9 @ 10:37AM
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This is terrible. I grew up seeing Christmas decorations all over the place. I remember my mom bringing me to see the Macy's display. They had the best Christmas display in the world. I always loved Christmas because I knew Santa was going to put something under my tree. I aways had the best toys on the block.
Well, I'm all grown up now. I'd like to see other holiday celebrations as well. If Christmas is going to be put on public display then so should every other culture's holiday and thats the American thing to do. As Americans, we are a melting pot. Either everyone gets along or these should be no display of anything - period. Its wrong for an American citizen to feel like they're living in foreign theocracy. Lets have all the displays up and celebrate all of them. We should all embrace each other's culture. Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanza, Solstice, Ramadan, Saturnalia, and all the rest. And if none of you guys can get along then there shall be no displays until you can learn to play together.
As for me, I'm celebrating Festivus. My decorations are a pole. You can't take our decorations down. We got poles everywhere. Street lights, telephone poles, flag poles, we're everywhere. While you guys fight it out, for me its Festivus for the rest of us.
  
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LipGlossQueen9
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Nov 9 @ 10:41AM
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As for me, I'm celebrating Festivus.
me too 
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travelwoman
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Nov 9 @ 10:43AM
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Kandy….
I know this is a little bit off topic, but not very far…
I’m constantly surprised of how Americans of different faiths don’t seem to get along. At all. So much so that they have to take lawyers and fight each other over things like Christmas decorations….
I’ve lived in Europe for the better part of my life. It is quite liberal there. But no one would even think of paying high-priced lawyers for basically sueing somebody else’s religion for one, and general customs for the other.
I guess it’s the European side of my mind that keeps crying: why ? why ? why ?  why can people not be tolerant ? especially for nice things like Christmas lights???
WHY???
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iam7545
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Nov 9 @ 10:47AM
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these idiots held committee meetings for months - this committee determined that green and red lights represented a religious flavor - thus only white lights.
I guess that means that the traffic lights need to go too
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 10:55AM
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Well, I'm all grown up now. I'd like to see other holiday celebrations as well. If Christmas is going to be put on public display then so should every other culture's holiday and thats the American thing to do. As Americans, we are a melting pot. Either everyone gets along or these should be no display of anything - period. Its wrong for an American citizen to feel like they're living in foreign theocracy. Lets have all the displays up and celebrate all of them. We should all embrace each other's culture. Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanza, Solstice, Ramadan, Saturnalia, and all the rest. And if none of you guys can get along then there shall be no displays until you can learn to play together.
There is no law, that I know of, that says others can not make their own holidays. They can all get together and set a certain date as their holiday, just so they leave our Chrisatmas alone. They can even celebrate on Old Christmas which is Jan.8th I think.
I do know of any other faith that has tried to have a holiday and been refused.
Christmas is so big because 80% of the USA are Christians.
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SweetNapaGuy
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Nov 9 @ 11:05AM
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just so they leave our Chrisatmas alone.
Alternatively, Christians can move Christmas back to September, where it belongs (i.e. if the biblical and historical details line up, Jesus would have been born in September or October, not December). December 25th (January 8th in the old calendar) was a pagan holiday. So Christians stole the holiday first.
Next argument?
http://de.essortment.com/christmaspagan_rece.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas
http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/holidays2.htm
http://www.holidays.net/christmas/story.htm
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SweetNapaGuy
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Nov 9 @ 11:08AM
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Also, would the Christmas decorations have gone up after Hannakah (December 15th)? And gone down before Kwanzaa (December 26th)? Because otherwise, Christians would be infringing on other people's holidays, as you're claiming other people are infringing on Christmas.
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roythead
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Nov 9 @ 11:21AM
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THey need to just let everyone celebrate their own holidays. I tell everyone i meet at Christmas time "Merry Christmas" and i dare any of them to give me crap about it. I don't get mad when someone says "Happy hannuka"(spelling is wrong, I don't care), So if your that anal that someone wishing you goodwill is a problem, you just wanna argue anyway.
I will have a tree, wear something festive for the season, and if that offends someone, well it is their problem, not mine. I am offended by lots of things, but this is america and they have a right to express themselves. So i let it go. the Words Merry Christmas are hurting noone, my worship hurts noone. So deal with it. If the town wants to say they won't decorate, who cares. Christmas is about alot more than decorations.
So to end this let me say
MERRY CHRISTMAS
HAPPY HANUKKA
WHATEVER KWANZA
AND ENJOY WHATEVER HOLIDAY YOU CHOOSE
but most of all
Merry Christmas to all
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hammertime
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Nov 9 @ 11:22AM
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I’m constantly surprised of how Americans of different faiths don’t seem to get along. Why are you surprised? Faiths, especially the fundamentalists believe they are the only one's who are right . You can't expect delusional and irrational lunatics to get along can you?
I’ve lived in Europe for the better part of my life. It is quite liberal there You're lucky. Europe is where much of our culture comes from. They no doubt remember the dark ages that flourished there when people who didn't follow the official religion was tortured and executed.
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travelwoman
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Nov 9 @ 11:24AM
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I think America should decide once and for all if they want to let every faith group celebrate their holidays, no matter how small a minority they are.
OR… decide that the holiday celebration should go by majority. If there is a majority of Christians, it’s the Christian holidays that get celebrated (no matter if the date has been “stolen” some 1000 years ago or not…)
It also seems to me that city ordinances could set up some kind of rules and decide on the local level if they want to favor all religions, or only one, or none.
But no one in America seems to want to make decisions like that, hence the constant disputes over everything.
I guess it’s more fun to be politically correct (which remains to be proven in my eyes) and fight over everything.
The lawyers are happy and fat…
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travelwoman
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Nov 9 @ 11:27AM
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Hammer… don’t be silly… we’re not talking Middle Age here…. Why bringing it up?
Do you think there are no fundamentalists in Europe? No, they didn’t all jump in a boat and go to America. There are a bunch of them everywhere. But it is not a problem in Europe. At least not one where Christmas gets cancelled and such silly and childish disputes.
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 11:34AM
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Merry Christmas to you Roythead and to all others who celebrate Christ's birth, and to all who commented on here.
Happy Hanukkah to Iam and all other Jewish people on here.
Also, Happy Holiday to all others of other faiths. May God Bless all of you,
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travelwoman
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Nov 9 @ 11:38AM
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Kandy...
 
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 11:39AM
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I’m constantly surprised of how Americans of different faiths don’t seem to get along.
Why are you surprised? Faiths, especially the fundamentalists believe they are the only one's who are right .
There are good people in all faiths. I have friends in a lot of other faiths.
Religion is a personal thing between God and me.
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LongRanger278
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Nov 9 @ 11:44AM
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Ah yes the ACLU and the liberals. Good for America? Apparently somewhere in the U.S. Constitution it states that the government is unable to express religious beliefs. The only problem is that no one is able to find that statement but the ACLU and liberals.
To many chef's playing with the recipe. No worry, the ACLU and the liberals are going to fix this country just like they fixed the public schools. Apparently there was an issue with being number #1. Can't have that now can we............
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hammertime
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Nov 9 @ 11:45AM
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Hammer… don’t be silly… we’re not talking Middle Age here…. Why bringing it up? Because middle age thinking is trying to make a come back in America.
See for yourself->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bB2rt3IKJc
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travelwoman
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Nov 9 @ 11:47AM
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Hammer...
the blog is not about Middle Age...
and sorry.... can't watch "you tube" at my work place... "access denied" by the filters....
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 11:53AM
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Hammer… don’t be silly… we’re not talking Middle Age here…. Why bringing it up?
Because middle age thinking is trying to make a come back in America.
Now, Hammer, we do not live in the Middle Ages and are not trying to bring it back. Forget youtube. That is just a bunch of crap.
Merry Christmas Hammer 
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reb90
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Nov 9 @ 11:59AM
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It is a crying shame that all that is said and done they still don't have there
lights................ next they will be putting camera's in public bathrooms to make sure your leaving a crap instead of taking one ...........
reb
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hammertime
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Nov 9 @ 12:11PM
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Forget youtube. That is just a bunch of crap. What? You thought the documentary was a fake? Becky Fischer is a real person.
Happy Festivus. Some of our tradition are feats of strength and the airing of grievances.
the blog is not about Middle Age... You wanted to know why different faiths don't get along. You have to know the dark age mindset of fanatics to understand why. Watch the video when you get home because it reveals what's taking place and it might help answer your question.
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travelwoman
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Nov 9 @ 12:13PM
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Hammer...
You have to know the dark age mindset of fanatics to understand why
No, I don't understand them AND I WILL NOT....
Dark age is over.... everybody move on.... 
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iam7545
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Nov 9 @ 12:17PM
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travel - the dark ages still exist in the Muslim world - liberals somehow think that they are enlightened!
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 12:17PM
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You have to know the dark age mindset of fanatics to understand why.
Hammer, you mean like the fanatics of the ACLU? Oh, now I understand, the ACLU is living in the Middle Ages still.
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travelwoman
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Nov 9 @ 12:20PM
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...iam...
dark age is over here...
and the "move on" meant just that.... DON'T LINGER OR GO BACK...
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travelwoman
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Nov 9 @ 12:21PM
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to previous...
AND don't let whoever draw you back into the dark ages.
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iam7545
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Nov 9 @ 12:24PM
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kammy - lets go to Ft Collins and when a traffic light turns red -we will jump out of the car and start singing Hymns
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hammertime
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Nov 9 @ 12:29PM
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Travel, the dark ages are making a come back being promoted by fanatical religious Americans. They want to control everything you think, believe and do because their way is the only way. I'm just saying. You asked why? There it is.
As for holiday celebrations, lets have them all at the same time so we have one big party while the fanatics can go off and kill each other on a desert.
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travelwoman
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Nov 9 @ 12:37PM
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Hammer...
Travel, the dark ages are making a come back being promoted by fanatical religious Americans
They can only make a come back if somebody opens the door and lets them in.
But nailing the door shut doesn't help either.
TOLERANCE.... by law.... (tolerance for both, not one winning over the other... not the other trampling the one....)
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kjac
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Nov 9 @ 1:07PM
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Two things in response to this blog.
1) I appreciate no one calling those defending the ACLU child molesters this time around. Now if everyone could just stop calling them racist nazis... 
2) Obviously, I don't celebrate Christmas. But my family does. And no one is trying to take that away. They celebrate in their homes with trees, lights, the whole works. If the people are so upset about a tax funded public domain not being decorated, they can respond by decorating their homes. Last I heard, you can have Santa walking arm in arm with Jesus, Mohammed, and Buddha on your front lawn and nobody can do a thing about it.
Speaking of which, that sounds like a good idea for a lawn decoration. 
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travelwoman
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Nov 9 @ 1:39PM
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Speaking of which, that sounds like a good idea for a lawn decoration
not for you kjac..... since you believe in NOTHING....
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 2:44PM
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kammy - lets go to Ft Collins and when a traffic light turns red -we will jump out of the car and start singing Hymns
That sounds like a good idea. Would they arrest us for singing though
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hammertime
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Nov 9 @ 2:47PM
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not for you kjac..... since you believe in NOTHING.... What do you mean nothing?
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travelwoman
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Nov 9 @ 2:56PM
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Hammer....
You are not kjac.... He would probably know what I meant....
I don't know what kind of thing or nothing you believe in.
I meant "nothing" like in no God, no prophet, no saint, no holy book, no religion, even no Wica, no faith other than in yourself......
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travelwoman
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Nov 9 @ 2:57PM
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PS
Hammer...
In that case, he should actually consider putting an illuminated statue or something of himself in his yard, for Christmas or any other chosen date.
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kjac
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Nov 9 @ 2:59PM
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I meant "nothing" like in no God, no prophet, no saint, no holy book, no religion, even no Wica, no faith other than in yourself......
Faith in myself, my friends, and my family. And my faith has been reinforced on countless occasions.
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 3:03PM
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Travel has been getting into things about the dark ages while I was gone it seems.
Hope you came out the winner Travel
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travelwoman
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Nov 9 @ 3:06PM
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Kandy....
I did not aspire to being the winner.
I would like TOLERANCE to be the winner...
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hammertime
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Nov 9 @ 4:07PM
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Faith in myself, my friends, and my family. And my faith has been reinforced on countless occasions. Doesn't sound like nothing to me. Actually Kjac, that is not faith, that is trust based on tangible reality. Faith is believing in things that have no veracity, proof or evidence. Trust is far more valuable because its reality. I know, I know some people use faith and trust interchangeably.
As for my Christmas decorations. I was thinking of blowup dummies of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. A Ted Haggard could be put into position to look like he's blowing up the other two. I was going to use Jerry Falwell for Halloween to frighten people but it didn't arrive in time.
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LongRanger278
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Nov 9 @ 5:54PM
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Obviously, I don't celebrate Christmas. But my family does. And no one is trying to take that away. They celebrate in their homes with trees, lights, the whole works. If the people are so upset about a tax funded public domain not being decorated, they can respond by decorating their homes. Last I heard, you can have Santa walking arm in arm with Jesus, Mohammed, and Buddha on your front lawn and nobody can do a thing about it.
You can for now...............................you see gang this is what this all about. A Godless society. If you think it's going to stop at your personal property, your crazy. There already has been lawsuits filed for people putting religious objects on there front lawn.
These groups and people finds way's around the Constitution to deny your religious beliefs. They do this by local ordinances, peaceful enjoyment laws,etc.
Most sub-divisions will not allow permanent religious objects in public view. These people have nothing else better to do then turn this country inside out.
Funny what was wrong with the country 40 years ago? What was wrong with the public schools 40 years ago?. Who and what found it necessary for all these changes?
Someone please show me where in the Constitution does it say that the government can't place religious object's on public property. Someone please show me where in the Constitution that say's Creation can't be taught in the public schools.
Someone please show me where all these new idea's and laws have progressed this country upwards instead of downwards. It's time for some of you big mouths
to put your money where your mouth is. Every day it's murder, rape, abduction, child predators, birth control pills in grade schools, deceit, disrespect and all out chaos.
Please show me where your idea's have benefited this country. Put up or shut up.
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 6:10PM
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You can for now...............................you see gang this is what this all about. A Godless society. If you think it's going to stop at your personal property, your crazy. There already has been lawsuits filed for people putting religious objects on there front lawn.
That is so right LongRanger. Today we can decorate our homes. but can we tomorrow? We are losing a little of our culture a little at a time.
These groups and people finds way's around the Constitution to deny your religious beliefs. They do this by local ordinances, peaceful enjoyment laws,etc.
Most sub-divisions will not allow permanent religious objects in public view. These people have nothing else better to do then turn this country inside out.
You are right again.
Funny what was wrong with the country 40 years ago? What was wrong with the public schools 40 years ago?. Who and what found it necessary for all these changes?
We had morals 40 years ago and our public schools were safe places for children to learn. Look at what we have today.
Someone please show me where in the Constitution does it say that the government can't place religious object's on public property. Someone please show me where in the Constitution that say's Creation can't be taught in the public schools.
I would like to see that myself LongRanger.
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 6:12PM
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Someone please show me where all these new idea's and laws have progressed this country upwards instead of downwards. It's time for some of you big mouths
to put your money where your mouth is. Every day it's murder, rape, abduction, child predators, birth control pills in grade schools, deceit, disrespect and all out chaos.
So true. We are losing our values everyday because of liberals and the ACLU.
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hammertime
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Nov 9 @ 6:23PM
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There already has been lawsuits filed for people putting religious objects on there front lawn. Are you talking about private property with your own land or a condo unit with a common area? Some communities require board approval before any monuments or structures can be put outside. Blinking lights can be a road hazard too. This is meant so some psycho doesn't paint his house purple or piss yellow to tutti frutti. But how would you feel if a devout Luciferian places a 6 ft tall Baphomet in his front lawn as a religious object? There is a point where bad taste just brings down the neighborhood and becomes an object of scorn. Now a days when real estate values are dropping do you think this is a good idea? It seems in this regard you're taking a liberal position. You're OK with the religious devil worshiper putting his stuff on his lawn?
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 6:28PM
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Are you talking about private property with your own land or a condo unit with a common area? Some communities require board approval before any monuments or structures can be put outside
Yes, that is what he is talking about. Don't you keep up wth the news?
There is a mam right now that put a crown on the top of his home and they told him that he had to take it down. It appears some people do not like the golden wooden crown.
It is his home, let him put what he wants to on it.
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iam7545
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Nov 9 @ 6:32PM
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kammy - the whack jobs dont like red or green lights either
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 6:40PM
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Iam, I just got back from town. The first light I came upon was a red light. I started singing a Chistmas song. The next lght was green, so I kept on singing.
Iam do you think they will take the lights down for Christmas so I can not sing as I drive under them?
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iam7545
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Nov 9 @ 6:45PM
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if they are like the whack jobs here - there will be some serious traffic jams!!!!
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 6:54PM
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I guess I will have to learn to go around the traffic jams and sing on the back streets.
I hope people will not shop at stores who do not say Merry Christmas when they sell you a Christmas tree and decocrations.
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LongRanger278
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Nov 9 @ 6:58PM
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Are you talking about private property with your own land or a condo unit with a common area? Some communities require board approval before any monuments or structures can be put outside. Blinking lights can be a road hazard too. This is meant so some psycho doesn't paint his house purple or piss yellow to tutti frutti. But how would you feel if a devout Luciferian places a 6 ft tall Baphomet in his front lawn as a religious object? There is a point where bad taste just brings down the neighborhood and becomes an object of scorn. Now a days when real estate values are dropping do you think this is a good idea? It seems in this regard you're taking a liberal position. You're OK with the religious devil worshiper putting his stuff on his lawn?
I'm talking about your personal property. Blinking lights a road hazzard?
you see hammer what I mean hammer. They will find away..........peaceful enjoyment laws is the new current flavor of removal of religious rights. The neighbor across the street doesn't like your statue of the virgin Mary on your front law. It offends him and his kids. They file a lawsuit and the way things look today, they have a 50/50 chance of winning to have the statue removed.
Law (the right of quiet enjoyment)
Uses that unreasonably interfere with the property rights of another private party.
This already has been challenged 3 times in Michigan. 2 wins and one loss.
You see hammer, be careful what you ask for............
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 7:02PM
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This already has been challenged 3 times in Michigan. 2 wins and one loss.
You see hammer, be careful what you ask for............
I do not think he gets it, LongRanger. Maybe he needs to research more or listen to the news more. 
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ttomtarr
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Nov 9 @ 7:26PM
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"Never answer a fool in his folly lest you become like him" ... Book of Proverbs
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hammertime
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Nov 9 @ 7:29PM
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I'm talking about your personal property. Blinking lights a road hazzard?
you see hammer what I mean hammer. They will find away..........peaceful enjoyment laws is the new current flavor of removal of religious rights. The neighbor across the street doesn't like your statue of the virgin Mary on your front law. It offends him and his kids. They file a lawsuit and the way things look today, they have a 50/50 chance of winning to have the statue removed Where I come from people don't have this sort of problem. I grew up around religious statutes and I like them. I don't like it when someone is blasting Christmas music in front of their house however. If anyone tries to make trouble where I come from, they wind up far bigger problems.
But you avoided my question. What about the rights of a devout Luciferian places a 6 ft tall Baphomet in his front lawn as a religious object? You ok with that?
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iam7545
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Nov 9 @ 7:32PM
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I do not think he gets it, LongRanger. Maybe he needs to research more or listen to the news more.
Of course not! The ACLU defends the right of the KKK to march - yet they force a town to remove RED AND GREEN lights as they resemble religious colors!
Of course they do not get it kammy!
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 7:32PM
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"Never answer a fool in his folly lest you become like him" ... Book of Proverbs
Right, Argueing with a fool gets one no where.
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 7:36PM
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Of course not! The ACLU defends the right of the KKK to march - yet they force a town to remove RED AND GREEN lights as they resemble religious colors!
Crazy isn't it?
No they will never learn Iam, well they will one day when it is too late.
Then when all our rights are gone, along with theirs, what are they going to say?
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iam7545
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Nov 9 @ 7:41PM
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kammy - the Atheists are the ACLU - they are snickering behind your back! The ACLU does not care about your rights - they care about THEIR AGENDA! Their tactics resemble street gangs - If you do not comply - they sue and force you to either spend millions in legal fees or comply! That is how these idiots take away your rights! The liberals and Atheists support them with donations - like their own little street gang!
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 7:43PM
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That is how these idiots take away your rights! The liberals and Atheists support them with donations - like their own little street gang!
Then we need to band together and get rid of the ACLU now.
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iam7545
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Nov 9 @ 7:51PM
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kammy - write your Congressman each time you read about idiocy like this! Tell him or her to press to remove their non profit status! That will end this Atheist lunacy!
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 7:56PM
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I will get my American Action Family group on that. I worked with them to get the amnsty stopped and we are still working on that also.
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LongRanger278
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Nov 9 @ 7:59PM
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Where I come from people don't have this sort of problem.
Michigan has become humm, let's see.........very culturally and racially rich
But you avoided my question. What about the rights of a devout Luciferian places a 6 ft tall Baphomet in his front lawn as a religious object? You ok with that?
You know me I don't avoid anything hammer. I don't have a problem with any religious object that insinuates good. You see hammer you can't say if one has a right the other has one also. It depends on the message. Should a german resident have a legal right to put a statue of Adolf Hitler on there front lawn? well what does Adolf Hitler represent..........murder, genocide, imprisonment, etc. So I would say NO. thats what a rational person would say, what do you say hammer?
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iam7545
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Nov 9 @ 8:17PM
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Here is an example of how much the ACLU cares about free speech!! This is from the NYT! hmmmmm
>>>>>>>ACLU GONE WILD!!!!! <<<<<<<<<
An excerpt -
The American Civil Liberties Union is weighing new standards that would discourage its board members from publicly criticizing the organization's policies and internal administration.
"Where an individual director disagrees with a board position on matters of civil liberties policy, the director should refrain from publicly highlighting the fact of such disagreement," the committee that compiled the standards wrote in its proposals.
"Directors should remember that there is always a material prospect that public airing of the disagreement will affect the A.C.L.U. adversely in terms of public support and fund-raising," the proposals state.
Given the organization's longtime commitment to defending free speech, some former board members were shocked by the proposals.
Nat Hentoff, a writer and former A.C.L.U. board member, was incredulous. "You sure that didn't come out of Dick Cheney's office?" he asked.
"For the national board to consider promulgating a gag order on its members — I can't think of anything more contrary to the reason the A.C.L.U. exists," Mr. Hentoff added.
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 8:24PM
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Good comment posted there Iam
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 8:26PM
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You see hammer you can't say if one has a right the other has one also. It depends on the message.
Good point there LongRanger
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Kandykammy
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Nov 9 @ 8:45PM
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I must write good blogs. Now someone has one about this same subject and about the same town I spoke of on here.
And to think he said my blog was not true and that I had made it up.
This blog is straight from the news last night.
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hammertime
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Nov 9 @ 9:03PM
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LD
Hitler is not not a religious object but I get your point and I would probably hit it with a sledge hammer and get arrested. The question is about what is good and what is fair is based on community standards. In a very religious community no one would be complaining about religious ornaments of their own faith but they would about other faiths. So if someone wants to put a Buddha in front of their house its going to offend someone because it doesn't represent what they consider good. The Baphomet obviously offends you because it doesn't represent your idea of good. There are no doubt Christians who are complaining about being sued would wind up doing the suing themselves when someone else places a statue of Isis or Mohammad across the street from them. Personally I don't care unless its so asinine and such an eye sore that it would bring down values and quality of life.
I think there are common sense lines that need to be drawn without it infringing on anyone's right to freedom of speech. What are those lines?
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LongRanger278
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