Yes, Jesus existed, as did Muhammed; as did Moses.
You can't dismiss the Bible as a historical record just so that you can say there are no historical records. It's far more accurate than most historical records, very provably.
Besides, it's not the only historical record that mentions him and that he existed was never called into question even by the Romans when they were persecuting the Christians, burning them alive and feeding to the lions, etc.
Do you think that if people who found Christianity such an immoral plague on their society could have possibly proved that he did not exist or that he was not this miracle worker, that they wouldn't have done so?
And to be fair, for a very long time there was no record of Pontius Pilate, outside of his being mentioned in the Bible, at all. Many persons said he never existed and that was proof that the person he executed also never existed. However, it was proven that he did exist - so why is that, then, not proof of the Bible's accuracy since it was the only historical record, for hundreds of years, that served as proof of his existence?
No, I haven't read all your blog, and I'm not going to. The beginning of it is filled with startling inaccuracies and shows that you must not think too much of the question since you haven't studied with an open mind towards finding a real answer to it. If you had, you'd know that he did, indeed, exist even if you didn't know whether or no he was the son of God.
Use some reasoning, some logic, study both secular and religious histories of the Jews and the Gentiles; extrapolate, think: and ask God directly. But make sure he knows you are talking to him!
Oh and there's some more people who know Jesus existed. I mean, come on: do you think the Jews relished being tortured and persecuted over Jesus? Do you think they like, even to this day, being told they did in the son of God? Do you think if they knew he hadn't existed, they would let that go on without offering proof?
They knew he existed and last I checked, they still do. Some of them say he wasn't the son of God, but they don't deny his miracles all the same. And some of them are now called 'Jews for Jesus'.
As a man, an ordinary man, he had nothing to recommend him except as a carpenterAnd the very fact that one little nobody of a man from a nobody people from nobody land, with no cameras and no reporters and no money, could make a bigger impact on the world than Napoleon, Hitler, and all the Caesars combined should prove something to you, too, by the way. .
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That was my answer to another blog which asked if Jesus even existed, which I post here because it was the sort of blog that requires approval of my comment. Besides, since it was a direct question, that blog may be deleted soon anyway. It should be.
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Josuha
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Dec 14 @ 12:05PM
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Contemporay writers like Josephus and the Assene writings also validate his existance.
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teacuppoms
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Dec 14 @ 12:57PM
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   u have my kudo
im also a jew for Jesus
loved ur blog i hope people who dont beleive study the bible in hope they will find that Jesus excisted
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HopelesslyHopeful
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Dec 14 @ 1:19PM
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Contemporay writers like Josephus and the Assene writings also validate his existance.
True that other writers do validate his existence but I like to point out, as often as possible, that the Bible has stood the test of time as an accurate historical document; far from it's reputation as having been rewritten to the point of being garbled.
Yes, people have tried to rewrite it and there are little words here and there. But you can tell, with any serious and open-minded study, where things were added because those are the only things that contradict the whole or which do not agree with all the other translations. Because, except for spots here and there, almost all of them are in complete agreement and say the same thing from beginning to finish.
The very fact that it can be translated so many times, attempts have been made to skew it's viewpoint so many times, etc. and that it still is a complete set of books that tells a story with a very rich and detailed theme from beginning to end; and that all the translations do tell that same story still, even when people sought to alter what it told, says that someone is looking out for that book . .because that someone had a story to tell and will make sure it is told.
But even for those who cannot accept that, well, they can certainly look up the history of the Persians, Romans, Arabs, etc. and compare to the history of the Bible. And if they honestly look deep enough they will find many notations and footnotes which state that it was because of the Bible and the adamance of the persons who believe in it that this thing or that was discovered.
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yashaenka
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Dec 14 @ 1:42PM
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Christians and non Christians alike can question the NT and OT. I do not think anyone doubts there was a man called Jesus, even Islam says there was. Where some people question things is was he just a man as Islam says along with the Gospels or Thomas or do we except the writings of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John not written until between 70AD - 90AD.
There are things within the NT and OT that appear as hearsay because they cannot be confirmed even using the bible for support. This is not to put Christianity on trial, but the Church that never even stated who wrote the bibles. Do you believe everything that the Roman Catholic church puts forward? Well they have issued apologetics under duress for blaming the Jews and not the Romans wrongly for his death. So the question is to the Institution of the Catholic church, because everything that followed even the Reformation was based on what the Catholic Church said.
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HopelesslyHopeful
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Dec 14 @ 3:01PM
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I do not think anyone doubts there was a man called Jesus
Yet, as I stated, this was originally a comment made on the blog of another person who was asking directly if Jesus even ever existed. So, you may not think it, but that's probably because you have yet to read his blog.
was he just a man as Islam says
Who in Islam says this? Muhammed did not! I have never spoken to anyone of that religion who was not of the belief that Jesus was the Christ, the son of God, the Messiah, etc. ????
writings of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John not written until between 70AD - 90AD
Correction! The writngs of Matthew that were completed in 41 CE.
as well as Mark that were completed in approx. 60-65 C.E.
Luke : approx 56 -58 C.E. and 61 CE (2 different books)
John: approx 56-58 CE, 98 CE, 98 CE, 98 CE, and 96 CE
Paul: 98 C.E., 56 CE, 55 CE, 55 CE, approx 50-52 CE, approx 60-61CE, 60-61 CE, 60-61 CE, 50 CE, 51 CE, approx 61-64 CE, 65 CE, approx 61-64 CE, 60-61 CE,
Peter: 62-64 CE, 64 CE
and let's not forget James, the brother of Jesus, whose writing was completed at some indeterminant date but before 62 CE. hmm .. the brother of Jesus: I wonder if he might have known anything about him???
and Jude: 65 CE
Not to mention the witness of the Romans as to the detriment inflicted upon their society by those Christians who were named after the Christ who was a thorn in their side, no pun intended.
Islam, no one that I encountered from there yet in person, has ever said to me that Jesus was just a man. To do so would be to commit suicide, last I heard, since the penalty for lack of faith is death and the teachings of Muhammed reflected that Jesus was not just a man and it was that Christians and Jews both failed God that gave him his right to power (Muhammed's) including that they killed the son of God and that they failed to follow his teachings.
So, who do we believe when even the staunchest enemies of Christianity proclaim that Jesus was the Christ?
I suggest we believe the God who said that this is his son, whom he has approved. Even the Romans and the Jews and the Islamics never never taught that it wasn't said!
or maybe we should believe Ghandi, whom we know existed and we know did his best to be a good man and to promote peace and we should listen to where he learned his teachings from in regards to the way to treat others.
I'll be back!
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HopelesslyHopeful
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Dec 14 @ 5:21PM
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There are things within the NT and OT that appear as hearsay because they cannot be confirmed even using the bible for support.
There are things within the Hebrew Scriptures and the Greek Scriptures which were unknown to the world except as being mentioned in the Bible for centuries until archeologists found proof that they were not just hearsay.
And there are three separate branches of religion that support everything in the Old Testament and two of them support everything in the New Testament.
There is nothing that can be attributed to hearsay unless you completely ignore all archeological data, historical documents, reason, and logic.
Unless you mean things like something King David said verbatim. Because, yes, archeologists cannot prove that. Though a historical document does mention some things he said verbatim.
And sorry, but did you read my blogs on Examing Islam? Because there is no way you can seriously expect to simultaneously say that a religious document wherein the writer never even existed and it came from a book that allegedly existed before God , and which contradicts itself repeatedly, can stand up as proof of the lack of validity of the Holy Scriptures while at the same time be saying that the Holy Scriptures, whose writers are well known throughout the world, who are very provably real people because their letters are published in every country in the world is less accurate because no one knows the exact date everyone did everything? Especially not when Islam itself supports the Holy Scriptures!
And if you are part of the Nation of Islam and you don't know that, then you'd better tie your scarf real tight to keep your head on because you are courting a beheading for daring to speak against the Holy Scriptures in this manner.
No, that's not a threat : I'm a Christian: I don't believe in beheading people or even arguing with them over their beliefs. And I mean a real Christian, thank you, before you start. Not a money profiteer or propheteer as I guess it should be spelled lol
I believe in facts, logic, reasoning, questioning, and that the proof is, as the say, in the pudding.
Besides which, to the Islamic faith Moses was still a prophet and so was Daniel and all the others in between, and if you believe in those prophecies and really know what they are saying, then you know that the time of the Christ's birth and ministry was set before the birth of Jesus, by those prophecies.
Which is why those Jews that made themselves an enemy of Jesus did not act so foolish as to deny the time, the miracles, or the lineage. They denied that he was the Christ, but they wouldn't have had to if, in fact, it wasn't the time for the Christ because no one much would have believed him if it was the wrong time for it.
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