I'm watching C-Span news today Live from Capitol Hill regarding our military status in Iraq and someone from the audience began to shout "Bring them home, Bring them home, Bring them home..." obviously protesting the war... naturally, they dragged him away and he was still shouting "Bring them home, Bring them home, Bring them home..."
I wonder if he will be charged with an act of terrorism... after all he interrupted one of the top military (General Petraeus) from making non-committal comments in his direct questioning.
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Tunes4u
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Apr 8 @ 12:18PM
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Respect for each other is what is missing. Simple civility.
Regardless of how one feels or what they believe.
I think there is a time and place for everything, including dissent.
But acting like a little spoiled brat is not the answer.
Respect for the society in which one exists is.
JMO
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hereshannon
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Apr 8 @ 12:36PM
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DON'T TAZE ME BRO!! DON'T TAZE ME BRO!! 
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JimNastics
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Apr 8 @ 12:38PM
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peaceful civil protest has been an inducement by which necessary changes have been hastened. Let freedom ring.
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LongRanger278
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Apr 8 @ 1:22PM
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Be real. Time and place for everything. Disrupting a high level meeting accomplishes what? you looking like an idiot. That's why most of America has no stomach for these people.
Let's all bust into every government meeting and disrupt it with our CNN opinions. Up until recently you had 3 major country's in the region seeking nuclear weapons. Syria, Iran and Iraq. What were we suppose to do huh? leave them alone they won't bother anyone, yeah right.
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Exsecratus_Sicarius
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Apr 8 @ 1:24PM
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someone from the audience began to vocally protest the war...
Islamic spiritual leaders love to see that.
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I wonder if they will provide CNN with another 'islamist sniper video' this year?
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Expect this violence in Iraq to escalate [when this Nation approaches the November presidential election].
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Exsecratus_Sicarius
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Apr 8 @ 1:36PM
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In case anyone needs a reminder as to why Iraq had been a serious threat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVUO7voM-ns
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And let's hear what democrats have said about Saddam, WMD, terrorists, etc:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePb6H-j51xE
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Iraq is more dangerous now, not because of the Islamists there, but because of the politicians here in our own country.
Seriously, I don't understand why President Bush won't push the CIA to arrest these pro-jihadi politicians.
It's treason. Pure and simple.
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Josuha
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Apr 8 @ 1:41PM
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Islamic spiritual leaders love to see that
All the Islamic leaders and bombs in the world could not have circumvented our Constitution.
The destruction of our rights come from within.
When your government won't listen, the press does'nt respond, the People have the right to take the protest where ever they deem necessary.
They work for us, we don't work for them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi5K6GOKsAw
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LongRanger278
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Apr 8 @ 1:49PM
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When your government won't listen, the press does'nt respond, the People have the right to take the protest where ever they deem necessary.
Good. Will start at your house. I suppose this mental midget today was a representation of the people to huh. Funny, I don't see the mother's and father's of the soldiers disrupting government meetings. Who are these people to do so?
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georgiapeach42
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Apr 8 @ 1:56PM
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Ranger please stop calling General Petraeus a mental midget. That was totally uncalled for 
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Josuha
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Apr 8 @ 1:58PM
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Good. Will start at your house. I suppose this mental midget today was a representation of the people to huh. Funny, I don't see the mother's and father's of the soldiers disrupting government meetings. Who are these people to do so?
'Mental midget' or not.
He's got guts.
And sometimes, guts is enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz8wU9DdbqU
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LongRanger278
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Apr 8 @ 1:59PM
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or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, Keyword just in case you didn't notice is peaceably.
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LongRanger278
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Apr 8 @ 2:00PM
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Ranger please stop calling General Petraeus a mental midget. That was totally uncalled for
Humm, perhaps you can point out where I called the General a " mental midget ".
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LongRanger278
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Apr 8 @ 2:05PM
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He's got guts.
So did the people who flew 4 airplanes on 9/11 in hopes of 72 virgins. Guts doesn't equate to brains friend.
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chatillion
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Apr 8 @ 2:05PM
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...perhaps you can point out where I called the General a " mental midget ".
She didn't. It was a light hearted comment to remind you that it's just a blog... 
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LongRanger278
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Apr 8 @ 2:07PM
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She didn't. It was a light hearted comment to remind you that it's just a blog...
I see, she was making a funny................. 
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Josuha
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Apr 8 @ 2:13PM
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or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, Keyword just in case you didn't notice is peaceably.
He was peaceful...and he expressed his free speech..but was dragged out.
I may further point out that there have been petitions that were ignored.
Also as precribed by our Constitution.
By your anology, Martin Luthur King was a 'terrorist' for sitdowns and stand-ins of public offices and places.
Our revolution was a 'terrorist' act.
The man who disrupted this interview was arrogant, rebellous, confrontational, outragous and insolant toward government.
A true Amercian.
I applaud him.. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAiFCds6ziA
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LongRanger278
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Apr 8 @ 2:22PM
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He was peaceful
Yeah that's why they tossed him out for being peaceful. Like I said. If anyone has the right to protest it's the soldiers and parents. These anti war activists are about as meaningless as a pimple on the pope's ass. When the mushroom cloud appears over a major U.S. city the same people people will be protesting why we didn't do anything to prevent it.
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chatillion
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Apr 8 @ 2:28PM
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I'm sure plenty of parents of soldiers were passively protesting outside with Banners 100 yards away.
This does absolutely nothing.
More people will remember this ONE MAN who spoke out at the time when the General was not (acceptably) answering his direct questioning.
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theblessedone
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Apr 8 @ 2:35PM
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I don't see the mother's and father's of the soldiers disrupting government meetings. Who are these people to do so?
Presumably, American citizens? Interestingly enough, being a loyal citizen does not equate with the sheep and lemming-like mentality at the heart of so many citizens' apathy.
Was this individual inciting a riot? Did he issue a call to arms? Prior to his removal from the scene, was there evidence of "a clear and present danger" or "an imminent incitement of lawlessness"?
His method of execution failed to show good judgement and timing, and thus was subject to the government's "time, place, and manner" restrictions, but in the absence of knowledge about his particular context, I'll contend that I still maintain at least a modicum of respect for those with enough passion and conviction to speak up, and speak out.
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LongRanger278
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Apr 8 @ 2:57PM
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Was this individual inciting a riot? Did he issue a call to arms? Prior to his removal from the scene, was there evidence of "a clear and present danger" or "an imminent incitement of lawlessness"?
No he disrupted a meeting that was scheduled to discuss the advancements and
short falls of the military, Iraq government, etc. Tell me is this how you peaceably assemble at home? Doesn't our government have a right to peaceably assemble?
Don't you think the General and his troops want to come home? These people have a job to do, let them do it. These idiot protesters are protesting something they haven't a clue about.
Like I said, you had 3 country's in the region on the verge of nuclear weapons until the United States stepped in. Bring the troops home? are you out of your freaken mind?
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CHARLIgurl1
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Apr 8 @ 3:06PM
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Disrupting a high level meeting accomplishes what? you looking like an idiot
Very true!.. he should have written him a nice letter instead.
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edthepoet
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Apr 8 @ 3:27PM
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ok, That person did do the right thing, Does anyone actually believe if he wrote a nice letter asking them to bring back our great soldiers from an unjust war that Bush would.
With a major interruption, no one would notice. Imagine if the African American or the native Indians and women leaders fight for their right waited for our leaders to do the right thing, everyone would still be waiting. Protesting is one of the very few way of being heard. Here's the proof, look what happen over in China now and throughout history.
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LongRanger278
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Apr 8 @ 3:51PM
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an unjust war that Bush would.
3 country's with 3 ruthless dictators and nuclear weapons I find hardly unjust. What's your idea of a justified war? Wait for maybe 500,000 or a million dead American's then declare war? If that's the case I hope they hit your town first Ed.
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Exsecratus_Sicarius
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Apr 8 @ 4:00PM
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unjust war
ed,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVUO7voM-ns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePb6H-j51xE
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Ed,
It was a multinational effort to remove Saddam Hussein -- yes, even Iran voted FOR his removal (and yet, it is Iran [with the backing of Russia and China] who has "invaded" Iraq).
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You people always seem to conveniently forget that.
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Exsecratus_Sicarius
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Apr 8 @ 4:31PM
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All the Islamic leaders and bombs in the world could not have circumvented our Constitution.
Josuha,
Islam doesn't need leaders and bombs to 'circumvent' our Constitution -- that is the role of the "moderate muslims": to change it, not surround it.
Muslims are not permitted to abide by nonIslamic Law. If you'd read the Qur'an, you'd see this to be true. The people of the "book," that means you Josuha, have no right to exist, nor do the atheists or polytheists.
Translations of the Qur'an, Chapter 9:
AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)
Total Verses: 129
Revealed At: MADINA
009.005
YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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PICKTHAL: And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not.
SHAKIR: And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.
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SHAKIR: How can there be an agreement for the idolaters with Allah and with His Messenger; except those with whom you made an agreement at the Sacred Mosque? So as long as they are true to you, be true to them; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).
009.008
YUSUFALI: How (can there be such a league), seeing that if they get an advantage over you, they respect not in you the ties either of kinship or of covenant? With (fair words from) their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and most of them are rebellious and wicked.
PICKTHAL: How (can there be any treaty for the others) when, if they have the upper hand of you, they regard not pact nor honour in respect of you? They satisfy you with their mouths the while their hearts refuse. And most of them are wrongdoers.
SHAKIR: How (can it be)! while if they prevail against you, they would not pay regard in your case to ties of relationship, nor those of covenant; they please you with their mouths while their hearts do not consent; and most of them are transgressors.
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YUSUFALI: The Signs of Allah have they sold for a miserable price, and (many) have they hindered from His way: evil indeed are the deeds they have done.
PICKTHAL: They have purchased with the revelations of Allah a little gain, so they debar (men) from His way. Lo! evil is that which they are wont to do.
SHAKIR: They have taken a small price for the communications of Allah, so they turn away from His way; surely evil is it that they do.
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YUSUFALI: In a Believer they respect not the ties either of kinship or of covenant! It is they who have transgressed all bounds.
PICKTHAL: And they observe toward a believer neither pact nor honour. These are they who are transgressors.
SHAKIR: They do not pay regard to ties of relationship nor those of covenant in the case of a believer; and these are they who go beyond the limits.
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YUSUFALI: But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.
PICKTHAL: But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge.
SHAKIR: But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.
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YUSUFALI: But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained.
PICKTHAL: And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist.
SHAKIR: And if they break their oaths after their agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of unbelief-- surely their oaths are nothing-- so that they may desist.
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Exsecratus_Sicarius
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Apr 8 @ 4:32PM
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...cont here...
009.013
YUSUFALI: Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!
PICKTHAL: Will ye not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first? What! Fear ye them? Now Allah hath more right that ye should fear Him, if ye are believers
SHAKIR: What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers.
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The destruction of our rights come from within.
The destruction of the rights for nonmuslims will come from within.
There will come a time when Europe undergoes the same changes as Lebanon did in the 20th century.
Once that happens, the United States as we know it, as well as the Constitution, will cease to exist.
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The question then will be, "Do you fully submit Allah or not?"
And if you want to keep your head, you'd better say, "Allahu Akbar!"
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Josuha, you are a man of faith in your god. Just as you have faith in your god and live to your best manner according to HIS word, so do Muslims and their Allah, according to their Qur'an.
So why discredit their position as just being an "extremist" faction of the whole????
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People who are against this war do not have any understanding whatsoever about Islam.
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georgiapeach42
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Apr 8 @ 4:54PM
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Well I for one am tired of this country being a maidservant for the Iraqi government. I personally feel they should get off their butts and start cleaning up their own house. But then why should they we have done their dirty work for 5 years now.
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Exsecratus_Sicarius
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Apr 8 @ 4:59PM
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Well I for one am tired of this country being a maidservant for the Iraqi government. I personally feel they should get off their butts and start cleaning up their own house. But then why should they we have done their dirty work for 5 years now.
Georgia,
Without the United States having any part in your answer, what, in your opinion, do you think would happen [should the allied coalition just leave]???
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georgiapeach42
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Apr 8 @ 5:23PM
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Did you not watch the Senate hearings today? Sure the troop surge has toned down the violence against our troops, the Iraqi government has not done anything to help themselves.
Let me put it this way, I have 5 older brothers and sisters and when I was in school I was the quiet little girl that was constantly picked on. At first my older siblings would protect me and stop the other kids from bullying me for a while But until I finally stood up for myself did the bullying stop completely.
Until the Iraqi people stand up and stay this is our country and we will will protect it ourselves, our troops will NEVER be home.
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edthepoet
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Apr 8 @ 6:11PM
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LR, your point is quite silly, if we wanted to be real, we should go after China and Russia, both of these countries actually do have nukes and are under communist control leaders. China is by far our biggest problem their military has grown tenfold in just the last ten years.
Iraq never attacked us, none one of the terrorist on 9/11 came from Iraq.
Bush changed his story of why we attacked and took over Iraq so many times that no one actually knows why we are there. al Qaeda wasn't even in Iraq until we remove Saddam Hussien, not to mention since we been there, over 650,000 innocent Iraq people have been killed. Juxtapose that against the nearly 3,000, I believe we have gotten even, oops, that right, we lost 4,000 fine soldiers too. We now lost more soldiers then innocent people killed here in the US.
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Josuha
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Apr 8 @ 6:52PM
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The question then will be, "Do you fully submit Allah or not?"
And if you want to keep your head, you'd better say, "Allahu Akbar!"
What's wrong sweetpea?
Afraid some big bad muslim is going to take your head?
Go dig a big deep hole and hide in it.
As for me, I refuse to give up my rights to a government or an assh*le because of fear. They've already won if I do.
They'll have to do better than that.
You like an old woman afraid of the dark.
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Exsecratus_Sicarius
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Apr 8 @ 8:09PM
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What's wrong sweetpea?
Afraid some big bad muslim is going to take your head?
Go dig a big deep hole and hide in it.
As for me, I refuse to give up my rights to a government or an assh*le because of fear. They've already won if I do.
They'll have to do better than that.
You like an old woman afraid of the dark.
Grow up will you, Josuha?
I posed a letigimate question, based on scriptual facts (not of your faith, but still, as yourself, they too have faith in their god and hence their book).
I understand your response, however (you simply cannot address the issues).
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You speak of freedom and how important it to preserve it.
Any idea what is going on with the Tibetans?
What about the "no-go-zones" for nonmuslims in the UK?
What about the ongoing genocide in Africa?
Did you know that Hussein Obama has a cousin in an Islamic militant group in Africa -- one of the parties responsible for the ongoing genocide there???
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What good will your "freedom", your "Constitution" be if there were a Nation (ours) surrounded by nonfriendly foreign powers -- with our European allies effectively neutralized (militarily and economically)??
Would this not concern you???
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Exsecratus_Sicarius
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Apr 8 @ 9:03PM
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Did you not watch the Senate hearings today? Sure the troop surge has toned down the violence against our troops, the Iraqi government has not done anything to help themselves.
Let me put it this way, I have 5 older brothers and sisters and when I was in school I was the quiet little girl that was constantly picked on. At first my older siblings would protect me and stop the other kids from bullying me for a while But until I finally stood up for myself did the bullying stop completely.
Until the Iraqi people stand up and stay this is our country and we will will protect it ourselves, our troops will NEVER be home.
The American Revolutionary War (1775–1783), was, at least initially, a civil war, but it eventually became an international conflict. That's right georgia, this isn't just about Iraq or Islam....many antiAmerican foreign powers are at play here (just not openly so -- yet).
Compare this battle in Iraq to your childhood "battles"??? Are you serious?
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Had our founding fathers (and many who lived and served during that time) had the same attitude as you do towards "war", there would likely be no "United States". Some how, I would suspect that you would probably think that this would have been better for the world in general. The best part? Well, we were not alone. As I mentioned earlier, the Revolutionary War became an international war. When it came to an end, our international allies continued to support us.
We must do the same for Iraq. Not just for our immediate security, but for that of our allies (for they are an integral part of our Nation's security as well).
Like I stated before georgia, you have no concept of the enemies of these United States (and zero concept of the enemies, and importance of, our allies) -- otherwise, you'd be in support of our current military efforts. So therein is something you can do to complement our Nation's military efforts: learn about our enemies; their intent; their beliefs -- and vote accordingly for politicians who want to meet the challenge our enemies have placed before us.
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You can continue your antiwar message and join the countless other uninformed Americans who don't give a rats ass in ensuring that this Nation's security be preserved for our future generations, who may very well (thanks to you and many like you) end up living in an Islamic States of Allah under Shar'ia Law.
What is Shar'ia Law you ask? State Law based on the Qur'an. Shar'ia deals with many aspects of life:
politics,
economics,
banking,
business,
contracts,
family,
sexuality,
hygiene, and
social issues......... in otherwords, the state is the "church" in Islamic Shar'ia Law.
Allow me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=JBkDdsx8T-4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdaWfgAe_nw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a7NBmzGAho&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBPx_3F4rTM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGaXxtvf2bM&feature=related
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