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Why Do We Intentionally Lie to One Another?

posted 9/23/2008 9:58:48 AM |
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  observed50

One of the things you hear people complain about in politics is that 'politicians all lie.' Many people refuse to participate in the political process because of the feeling of slime and sleaze that seems to ooze from candidates and their campaigns. And it's a shame, because regardless of where we stand, we can only benefit from REAL conversation, REAL facts and reasoned debate.

But some of us, not just the politicians, don't really want REALITY to be the 'thing' around which we are discussing, debating, and organizing our efforts. They prefer distorted claims and outright lies if what it does is make their fearful world more secure.

One of the things I hated about teaching was spending time fact checking students claims in their papers. They would make a lot of them hoping that instructors didn't have enough time to check, thereby relieving them of really having to engage their brains to do REAL RESEARCH and arrive at verifiable and valid conclusions - i.e., they wanted to write a paper in an hour.

I hate it more as an adult watching adults lie to one another, hoping no one checks their claims thereby relieving them of really having to engage their brains to do REAL RESEARCH and arrive at verifiable and valid conclusions - i.e., we want to believe we can know enough in an hour.

A new blog this morning is one such example, and an attempt to illuminate the errors, FactCheck.Org, was not posted, as frequent with this author.

I have always felt that the two party system does us all harm as it pulls both parties to lie to gain power, each party with their favorite manipulated subgroups. I've never been so confronted by the lying as I have been this year because blogs have become so dominant a presence in our information flow, or rather...DISinformation flow, that it is hard to escape the teacher in me that wants to give the writers an 'F' and have them rewrite the blog...

The claim being made in the blog this morning regarding Obama's taxing of home sales is...well...imagine...deliberately false and misleading. It is part of an email with all sorts of wild hare claims about his tax plan that has been circulating in those chain emails that people send to their lists. They don't send it on because its true, but because it meets their need to have their 'beliefs' justified, their fears justified. They send it rather than challenge anything they so want to believe with FIRST verifying the claims. And the usual lot line up to wholeheartedly agree, because as with the author, it fits a belief, and we simply tend to give written word so much credence...why... in part because we grew up with books and newspapers being about real things (we thought) or they were labeled 'fiction.'

And it is sooooooo damn easy today to verify before believing. All one has to do is..

a.) actually read Obama's plan, or any other plan of any other candidate that has claims made about it.

b.) fact-check any of these ridiculous ideas against sources.

c.) become suspicious immediately when people email you information that is so cockeyed as to be insane, and then has no reference to source of claim that you can check and verify - i.e., like all other email hoaxes, doubt the believable.


But since we all know that reality isn't important in the election cycle, simply the selling of fear and disinformation, I know that the most fearful go fact-check only when someone puts out claims against their party, which the author made a big deal of checking on facts in a blog yesterday or the day before showing some error about his candidate. I read that and chuckled..."yeah, like you actually are concerned with truth as opposed to your group??"

When what we want to believe leads our brains, there are only tunnels into our own ignorance. We're a very susceptible species to our own desire not to see, hear or understand but what we already believe. Even 12% of Democrats are still clinging on the insane belief of Obama is a Muslim. Almost a quarter of the country still believes Iraq had something to do with 9/11. We prefer to cling to what matches our beliefs, rather than question our beliefs when reality indicates otherwise.

Reality is so hard to encounter when first we want to believe. It is sooooo hard to teach people how beliefs are soooooo destructive as to wipe away truth while wiping away compassion, comprehension, understanding, intelligence and wisdom. Beliefs are about what we do not know...and thus...feel compelled in our discomfort and fear, to create something to fill in a void. Having filled in a void of our fear, rather than resolve the fear, we will cling to the belief to death rather than look through it at our vulnerability and ignorance.

Despite having been alerted to the falsehood of the claim this morning, the author continues to respond to his posters AS IF what he posted is true. The title of the blog this morning suggests this was 'PT1' of what he hopes to post regarding Obama's plan. The misinformation he has posted is being circulated in an email with many more false claims in it and so there is probably more of this email's misinformation to come.

If you are so compelled to know something NOT first laid out to deceive, you might check here first before the gang starts assaulting MD with all these falsehoods...FactCheck.Org.

And let's hope that the author feels free to apply that critical discernment he was so happy with himself yesterday to these wild hare claims. But probably, first, he would have to quit being a believer...and we all know...we ain't doin that first...not until life overwhelms our ability to self-deceive.

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Comments:
Gman762

Sep 23 @ 10:03AM  
False and misleading about Obama's tax plan??

Then folks are requested to use a VERY lIberally biased source call factcheck??

LOLOLOL
chatillion

Sep 23 @ 10:12AM  
Gman... you're blog stalking again. Go find a hobby or something.
sarina543

Sep 23 @ 10:13AM  
Thank you so much for this blog.

It is important to know the truth or as close as we can come to it.
landbaron

Sep 23 @ 12:28PM  
Right on Observed50!! It sounds as if that dog is barking op the wrong tree. I'm not quite sure what he is here for, unless he may be part of one of the party's captains to stir up the propaganda campaigns. You can fool some of the people some of the time but he can't fool us!
Borty

Sep 23 @ 12:50PM  
Thankyou for your blog. I've noticed several blogs pertaining to politics on here that make outragous claims and when you try to refute them with facts ...the bloggers use demeaning language directed at the commentator. Its like debating with a brick wall...so I don't comment much anymore.
imlost2

Sep 23 @ 4:33PM  
I don't believe in putting all my eggs in one basket as in using just one source when checking facts. But some have been contradicting each other even on the net, in the news and even in factcheck. So it's no wonder people get confused and don't know what to believe. Heck even the candidates backslide and change their own minds, and we all know the proof will be in the pudding because once they get into office, they seldom do what they promise. So lets not get at each other's throats here ok? Because even though all these promises are made now, you can bet something different is gonna happen once they get into the White House, no matter who gets elected it's all gonna change. Take care Lost
redtigr

Sep 23 @ 8:07PM  
You are just wa-aaa-aay too rational to be amongst the majority of humans...

But if you ever run for anything, I'll vote for you.

Excellent blog. No lie.

~*~
unionman154

Sep 23 @ 8:15PM  
I would like to see an Observed/Redtigr ticket.
observed50

Sep 23 @ 10:40PM  
Gman> Laughing out loud (LOL) does not increase the validity of your claims or make evident in any way how insightful you might be, since you, like others before you, are so very confused on the foundation that funds FactCheck.Org, the Annenberg Foundation. One before you was flecking at the mouth with his umbrage 'believing' Soros was behind it...but in reeeeaaaality...it ain't so.

To quote myself a couple blogs ago when I was trying to help another understand the foundation in spite of his overarching fear it was one more liberal communist Marxist whacko org...here's what I addressed for him...

Per usual, it would benefit you to fill in holes in your understanding of things because you again have it soooooooo very wrong.

The Annenberg Foundation was founded by Walter & Lenore Annenberg. Big supporters of Nixon, huge supporters of Reagan, they introduced Reagan to Thatcher. He received the Presidential Medal of Freedom from Reagan, and you can bet Reagan didn't stride around giving wealthy liberals, medals. Reagan would spend significant amounts of time just visiting with Walter and Lenore at their Sunnylands 400 acre estate in Rancho Mirage, CA.

Annenberg Foundation money needs no help from Soros because it is funded by the wealth the Annenbergs created through the TV Guide, Seventeen, and the Philadelphia Inquirer. He sold Seventeen and TV Guide to Rupert Murdoch for $3B, and retired to commit his life's energy to philanthropy.

The Foundation "...exists to advance the public well-being through improved communication. As the principal means of achieving its goal, the Foundation encourages the development of more effective ways to share ideas and knowledge." And improving the transparency of the political claims is one such effort at making communication more effective.

Soros has a series of foundations that are birthed from his effort to support the growth of democracy globally through supporting the training and education of peoples around the world in basic democratic infrastrucure. A teacher-friend of mine is preparing to teach debate as a project of his foundations in Korea, after she taught it this summer in Turkey. Another friend works with his foundations to transcribe scientific journal articles to native tongues to insure the access of scientific research in developing nations schools and universities. He spends over $500M a year on such infrastructure development. Very radical...or liberal...or whatever the boogieman label was...Obviously, a dangerous Marxist.

One more fine example of how truth isn't what is important. The dissing of anything that might make visible the tears in the ideological fabric...that is all that is important when truth is so trampled by unnecessarily inaccurate claims.

My guess is that right-wing bloggers have labeled FactCheck.Org as 'liberal' because it does such a good job of holding BOTH parties feet to the fire. Because it points out consistently and with good research habits, the constant nature of the lying in McCain/Palin ads, rather than face that reality and try to sell the McCain lie outright, it is more useful, as well as necessary, to push the lie of the site as liberal - i.e., biased and lying worse than the email source of Obama's tax plan! Divert people's attention...peg the boogieman label on, shake the magic stick, and say the magical incantation..."It is liberal boogie boogie...it is liberal boogie boogie..."

I don't feel afraid yet. Is there a time sequence to this curse or do we have to do it again? I kinda like the rhythm section behind the 'boogie boogie' part.
observed50

Sep 23 @ 10:57PM  
Sarina> My sense is that 'truth' is not a static thing, that it is not so simple as 'the truth' since for politicians, what they say is often the 'latest edition' of their speaking on something. It is unusual for them, or any of us really, to see the world the same today as yesterday, and for all of us, who we are speaking to influences the 'truth' we speak. For most of us, the non-politicians, what we say isn't as important because we aren't asking people to follow us over a collective cliff. But things like FactCheck help us sort through the many faces of a politician and thereby helps us make more informed choices. I wish it was simply an issue of truth. I wish we were more than human...

Landbaron> With the internet today, as we all know from ALLLLL those frickin email hoaxes our friends have sent us because the stories seeeeeemed so real...as humans, we give the printed word a lot of value, and we give it a lot of benefit of the doubt. I've spent years trying to train friends to quit pushing along email hoaxes, and just as many years as I've tried (7? 8?) my friends keep pushing them along at a clip that astounds me. No matter how many times I send them links to check the stupid things if they can't just recognize them, they continue to send them 'in case they are real!!!!'

So though I hate the process of fact-checking adults work, because we are so damn gullible as a species, and so damn lazy, (large mammal really hates to expend energy), I feel it so important to help dampen down the likelihood that people will repeat this sort of disinformation, or worse, act on it. For many Americans, you would have to send them to a 're-education camp' to get them to quit believing in Iraq's link to 9/11, and that was started with words...blogs...and a cooperative media that helped spread the disinformation.

Voila! We believe!!!

Borty> Brick walls just stand there and say nuttin! If it was really like debating a brick wall, the brick wall would have to throw bricks at ya ta make it similar...
observed50

Sep 23 @ 11:05PM  
Lost> I think you make a good point about what is said on the campaign trail. It's sorta like the Vegas commercial..."what's said on the trail, stays on the trail." First, it's hard enough to get clear expression of their positions and plans on issues. Second, it's hard to sort through all the BS thrown into the ring as 'free speech' which is probably why it is so often so poor...'free' for many seems to indicate that anything goes...say anything, claim anything...It's further aggravated because politicians have great cover - time. "Things change" is said often by politicians to explain their discrepancies between the campaign promise and the campaign delivery.

Tigger> You will offset one of my highschool friends who, in signing my yearbook, wrote that he was sure that someday I'd run for president...and he wouldn't vote for me. TOO DAMN RADICAL!!

Ahhhh those were the days...

Unionman> If we run, you can handle media...keep em away from Tigger...she gets all embarassed so easily!
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