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j_goose
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http://www.matchdoctor.com/thread_87_26772_12/On_Men_and_God_ll.html
No quotes, just typed word for word from a copyrighted source.
From Forum Rules:
16) Do not post messages that violate Federal, State/Provincial, or local laws which include, but are not limited to, anything that violates a Copyright, Trademark, Patent, Trade Secret, or is bound by NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement).
And it's not the first time.
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| Jun 11 @ 11:27 PM |
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BandTMom
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If a person complains about rules not being followed, then that person should be very careful to follow ALL the rules.
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| Jun 12 @ 2:38 AM |
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Angel54214
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INTENTIONAL ERROR ACCUSATION:
Moderator;
Some of my sources came from Dr. Harry Ironsides book (which I own a copy), called "The Four Hundred Silent Years" (1914 publication by Loizeaux Bros.).
This website below which Goose is referring is The Newfoundation Ministries which the Pastor George Kirkpatrick has precerp writings of this book by Dr. Harry CC. Ironsides, which he also authored many books into his website that this website that I noticed, does not retain copyrights of Dr. Harry Ironsides books.
I did not use this site, for I didn't even know it was there. I was using my historical books of Dr. Ironsides that I retain in my own personal library, which I did present this to Mr. Goose in the MD thread noted. He persisted without adaquate cause in continuence.
Here is the site that I am being accused of breaking rule #16 by the OP in link #2 below:
http://www.newfoundationspubl.org/newfound.htm
This the page on that same site that goose advidly is accusing me of copying from and illigally breaking copyright laws...lol.
http://www.newfoundationspubl.org/between.htm
Moderator, If you read this second link above page, which I did after I was accused, you will notice what the Pastor of the site says in his PREFACE...
From this point on, we must rely on the writings of the historian Josephus and the writing of the Maccabees. In this study we will also look to the book "The Four Hundred Silent Years" by H.A. Ironside, printed around 1914.
It seems to me that it is the above New Foundations Ministries used Dr. Ironside's writings to bring out the Four Hundred Silent Years missing in between the 2 testaments. The same book that I own and used for reference in the thread that the OP named.
As I proof read Dr. Ironsides book in comparison to Pastor Kirkpatrick page, I found that the text the Pastor used was the same copy writings variables in Ironside's book.
Moderator...Feel free to email me and I will send you a scanned copy of the book I own for proof.
Furthermore, I also noticed in lengthy examination of Pastor Kirkpatrick's website, (which I did not use or know about before), lacks any copyright ownership to the subject in question.
Thank you for your complete and thorough view of my post and in hopes this silly accusaction will be denounced.
An Admiral Member of MD
Angel54214 
And it's not the first time. Moderator, I feel this is a hearsay remark with out any evidence presented.
Commentary Added: I am also a published writer and know and understand the "Copyright Laws."
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#106
[Edited on 6/12/2008 2:58 AM]
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| Jun 12 @ 4:21 AM |
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ForumMod
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all i could see was Angel54214
said:
As I revert to my stored knowledge memory bank, a couple ancient history books and the overview of King Nebuchadnezzar's dream in the O.T. book of Daniel, along with variances of historian writings, we can possibly make heads and tails of the four hundred missing years between Malachi (which ends with a curse) and Matthew (the birth of Christ).
there was no indication of your actual source or what was quoted material or what were your own words. we often use google searches to check to see if a persons blog or posting is original or taken from elsewhere. it's not fair to either the original author or anyone else to not be clear who wrote what. to 'borrow' and repost without citing a source or showing it's a quote, is technically plagiarism, even if you do own the book. sorry.  as far as copyright goes, the 1914 one is probably expired, but those were still ironside's or someone else's words, not yours.
please put all quoted material in a quote box so that your readers can differentiate between your own opinions or thoughts and the opinion or words from others. that way there won't be this confusion in the future. (i believe that's been mentioned before  ).
thanks.
[i will not get involved in the religious angle of this or the actual material. that's for you to deal with in the r&s forum.]
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| Jun 12 @ 9:42 AM |
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Angel54214
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Moderator,
I will adhere to future posts and use "quotes" adaquately to outside material for identification of post separation from my own....Respectfully.
In conjunction, I do ask that the OP creator of this thread to learn how to use "quotes" for "borrowed" material he also posts to separate from his own. This should be abided by ALL...(View below OP posting on page 1).
http://www.matchdoctor.com/thread_87_28818_1/Jesus_was_a_Stoner.html
OP complainer should also learn how to quote a "link"
Reposting the Initial complaint here - that the same OP did the same exact borrowing offsite text and did not use quotes...
No quotes, just typed word for word from a copyrighted source.
[Edited on 6/12/2008 9:49 AM]
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| Jun 12 @ 10:20 PM |
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j_goose
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I always post the web page.
Sorry, can't pass the buck on this one....
Nothing in MY OP was plagurized. The site is clearly posted along with the link. It's at the bottom of the OP, and it's posted correctly. And I did not add any personal thoughts on the article in the OP.
I also noted in the thread that I could not Copy and paste due to copyright laws.
You're silly.
[Edited on 6/12/2008 10:44 PM]
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| Jun 13 @ 12:17 AM |
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beckyiv42000
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I have a question and will probably bee seen as the devils advocate here but... where is the line for plagiarism drawn?? I know not to use other peoples words in their entirety without quoting them and giving credit it is a no no  .. but then again the bible is a book yes?? so who get the credit?? God or the men who wrote it or the publisher?? how about other sayings or adages of say like historical people??   Just wondering??
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| Jun 13 @ 8:02 AM |
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eastham
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You would still be required to put a Biblical passage in quotes, even though the Bible's "copyright" is no longer in force. The same with Shakespeare or Marlowe, etc.
According to the Merriam Webster dictionary, plagiarism is literary theft. Under US law, the use of words, without attribution, from copyrighted material is a violation of intellectual property law.
Here are definition's of plagiarism from plagiarism.org:
All of the following are considered plagiarism:
* turning in someone else's work as your own
* copying words or ideas from someone else without giving credit
* failing to put a quotation in quotation marks
* giving incorrect information about the source of a quotation
* changing words but copying the sentence structure of a source without giving credit
* copying so many words or ideas from a source that it makes up the majority of your work, whether you give credit or not (see our section on "fair use" rules)
Most cases of plagiarism can be avoided, however, by citing sources. Simply acknowledging that certain material has been borrowed, and providing your audience with the information necessary to find that source, is usually enough to prevent plagiarism. See our section on citation for more information on how to cite sources properly.
I have where an individual, whose posts are almost unintelligible because of poor spelling and atrocious grammar, morph into Gore Vidal. Obviously, these are not their words, yet there is no attribution.
Plagiarism has gotten to be such a pervasive problem that teachers, universities, publishers, etc have resorted to high tech solutions to fight it. There are online checking software that universities use to check admissions essays. It's called TurnItIn. Companies, publishers, etc run works through iThenticate software to check for plagiarized material.
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| Jun 13 @ 10:05 AM |
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Angel54214
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East, I believe your post is directing upon college students usage in other material. There's much on the net on student plagurism violations.
One that plagurizes a copyright song can be in violation.
I found this site on legations very informative...
www.IvanHoffman.com
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| Jun 13 @ 10:22 AM |
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VaPeppermintPatti
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Copyright In A Nutshell 101
COPYRIGHT
First let's define what exactly a copyright is. Okay? A copy right is the legal right designed to protect authors from the PIRATING and plagerizing of their intellectual work/property. Most copyrights are secured by the publisher (books, magazines, newspapers, music/lyrics, poetry, etc.) for the author and maintain record of such. An author may on their own go through the Copy Right Office in DC, Library of Congress, for copyright procedures.
Now with copyright law it allows the author the right to print, reprint, sell, record and tape record, distribute, translate, novelize, and dramatically adapt the work in any matter that the author sees fit.
Everyone is familiar with what plagerizing is all about. That's where another person "borrows" someone else's writing/intellectual property and calls it their own. An easy one, right?
PIRATING, on the other hand, is where person publishes another writer's/artist's material, in its entirety, or even in partial, that has been copyrighted, WITHOUT their permission. A great deal of this is done on the Internet as people are not aware that books, magazines, website content, etc. are covered by copyright law and they think that if it is out for public consumption on the Internet that they can "cut and paste" to wherever they want. It is one thing to reference such material privately via e-mail or snail mail, but an entirely different matter when it is published in a blog, on personal website, etc.
There are time limits for copyrights, i.e. for books prior to 1 Jan 78 author's lifetime plus 50 yrs., and will be more than happy to elaborate if requested.
Newspapers are a different ball of wax as that material is considered to be informational and in the public domain. A point in fact, that most published information is considered to be in the public domain and can be freely reproduced/copied IF...IF...IF...the wording is sufficiently altered from the original.
Keep in mind that when speaking of INFORMATION that I'm talking about FACTS...population numbers, natural resources, etc. for example.
PERMISSION
This is where you go to the holder of the copyright and seek permission for use of the material. In most cases you just pay for use of printed/written or illustrated materials. This is the obligation of the author. Also, you must formally request in writing to obtain PERMISSION for use and this is covers borrowed passages/portions, illustrations/graphics, tables, charts, graphs, logos, and lists. You have to use all available ways in contacting the author/publisher in good faith.
If the material that is to be utilized is going to be edited in one form or another, then submission must be made to the author/publisher for final approval.
There are times when the PERMISSION shall not be granted and other sources must be utilized by the author.
FAIR USE
The limits of fair use are pretty well defined. This is where you want to quote small, incidental parts or passages from a particular book/article without going through the trouble of seeking PERMISSIONS. Must inform my reader that this is an area that can lead you into A LOT of trouble if you do not obtain PERMISSION.
Now under Fair Use Law limited amounts of material from books, etc. can be quote, but it is just how much of the material may be used.
Limitations: Copyright work, minimal amounts of this material, may be quoted for purposes of criticism, comment, news reporting, research/scholarship. This is not copyright infringement. There are certain situations that are used to determine FAIR USE...purpose and character, commercial application or nonprofit, the exact nature of the copyright material, the amount of the quoted material in relation to what it is being used for, and the effect upon the potential market of the material and the copyrighted work.
FAIR USE DOES NOT INCLUDE QUOTATIONS FROM SONG LYRICS AND POEMS EVEN IF THE MATERIAL IS JUST A FEW LINES LONG. Also, it does not include material taken from unpublished works, anthologies, charts, graphs, maps, art work/graphics, photographs, or quotes from published and unpublished letters.
(I'm a published writer and have to deal with this stuff daily in my writing and research.)
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| Jun 13 @ 10:41 AM |
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Angel54214
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Communications Decency Act (CDA)
http://www.cdt.org/speech/cda/
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| Jun 13 @ 10:47 AM |
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beckyiv42000
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You would still be required to put a Biblical passage in quotes, even though the Bible's "copyright" is no longer in force. The same with Shakespeare or Marlowe, etc.
UM its the word of GOD how can ANY human COPYRIGHT it??
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| Jun 13 @ 11:13 AM |
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VaPeppermintPatti
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As far as the CDA goes...ahem....First Amendment rights are a given, but one still has to be VERY aware of laws regarding slander and libel. There is a VERY fine line here and that is why there are some lawyers making BIG bucks within this particular realm of law. Hiding behind an online nick name, nom de plume, pseudo-whatever does not give you the right to say whatever you want, however you want, and whenever you want, as EVERYTHING you write/publish online now stays resident for eternity saved by the website operators and ISPs. These "files" can be searched for and copied under Rules of Evidence under subpoena and admitted to a court of law. Also, this material stays resident on your home computer till you reformat the hard drive or run "system tools" and defrag the hard drive that does rearrange some of the files. Simple deleting to your trash can does NOT remove such materials. Why do you think that the FBI, et al seize computers in their investigations since there are people employed by them and private contractors that can pull out of "thin air" supposedly lost files in whole or part? 'Nuff said.
Regarding the Bible, you should quote chapter and verse in its original form within quotation marks. Then you refer to in italics to the exact Book, chapter, and verse. You must name which version of the Bible you are utilizing, i.e. King James, etc.
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Genesis, Chapter 1, Verse 1. Authorized (King James) Version.
When you want to adequately quote something or footnote, obtain a copy of the Chicago Style Manual for reference. Formats differ by the type of material that you are referencing, i.e. scientific papers, books, periodicals, video media, tape media, etc. There are, also, a number sources online that will give you acceptable formats as there are a number of different style manuals utilized today in the industry and Federal Government. The Chicago Style Manual is pretty much an industry standard, though. Google it when in doubt!
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| Jun 13 @ 11:21 AM |
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nah12
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UM its the word of GOD how can ANY human COPYRIGHT it?? look in the front of your King James version and you will find a copyright there.... 
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| Jun 13 @ 11:35 AM |
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beckyiv42000
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Regarding the Bible, you should quote chapter and verse in its original form within quotation marks.
so in Hebrew?? or ???
look in the front of your King James version and you will find a copyright there..
I guess that is another reason for me to dislike organized religion... MAN copyrighting the word of GOD how blasphemous can ya get??
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| Jun 13 @ 11:40 AM |
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beckyiv42000
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Regarding the Bible, you should quote chapter and verse in its original form within quotation marks. Then you refer to in italics to the exact Book, chapter, and verse. You must name which version of the Bible you are utilizing, i.e. King James, etc.
excuse me but um .. the word of GOD is the word of GOD right?? telling anyone they MUST USE the word in any certain way is extremely arrogant of you .. and way overstepping the limits set by YOUR GOD .. as set forth in the bible
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| Jun 13 @ 11:42 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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PIRATING, on the other hand, is where person publishes another writer's/artist's material, in its entirety, or even in partial, that has been copyrighted, WITHOUT their permission. A great deal of this is done on the Internet as people are not aware that books, magazines, website content, etc. are covered by copyright law and they think that if it is out for public consumption on the Internet that they can "cut and paste" to wherever they want. It is one thing to reference such material privately via e-mail or snail mail, but an entirely different matter when it is published in a blog, on personal website, etc.
this part is wrong.. (it is only an interpretation of how the law should be enforced.. as the internet came after copy-write laws did)
And .. "copy and pasting" on forums has not been addressed by the courts... nor imho will it ever be . ... As, for anyoneone to say that "I don't want my works that I posted on the internet ( public domain (..think youtube here.. )) copied and pasted anywhere else on the internet can be overcome by a hot link.. (although anti cut and past software is available for those die-hard people who are so anal.. that they want only people who visit their site to read their work.)
(Is this what J Goose meant here..?
I also noted in the thread that I could not Copy and paste due to copyright laws. guessing he meant that the site disabled copy and past.. but he typed it out anyway.. )
One that plagiarizes a copyright song can be in violation.
well duh.. the key word is still plagiarism
All of the following are considered plagiarism:
* turning in someone else's work as your own
* copying words or ideas from someone else without giving credit
* failing to put a quotation in quotation marks
* giving incorrect information about the source of a quotation
* changing words but copying the sentence structure of a source without giving credit
* copying so many words or ideas from a source that it makes up the majority of your work, whether you give credit or not (see our section on "fair use" rules)
Most cases of plagiarism can be avoided, however, by citing sources.
and as you know... eastham posted this while she stated Here are definition's of plagiarism from plagiarism.org:
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| Jun 13 @ 11:49 AM |
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alivenwell351
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Seems like it ought to be pretty simple...
If you thunk it up all by your lonesome, it's yours to do what you will with it...
If you got it somewhere else...ANYWHERE else...it's not yours and you should acknowledge that and state where &/or who you got it from...
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| Jun 13 @ 12:04 PM |
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nah12
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^^^ true Alive
Copyright is a legal concept, enacted by most governments, giving the creator of an original work exclusive rights to it, usually for a limited time. Generally, it is "the right to copy", but also gives the copyright holder the right to be credited for the work, to determine who may adapt the work to other forms, who may perform the work, who may financially benefit from it, and other, related rights. Source
personally i have no problem with giving God or ayone else credit for their words....
What is Plagiarism
Many people think of plagiarism as copying another's work, or borrowing someone else's original ideas. But terms like "copying" and "borrowing" can disguise the seriousness of the offense:
According to the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary, to "plagiarize" means
to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own
to use (another's production) without crediting the source
to commit literary theft
to present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source.
In other words, plagiarism is an act of fraud. It involves both stealing someone else's work and lying about it afterward.
But can words and ideas really be stolen?
According to U.S. law, the answer is yes. The expression of original ideas is considered intellectual property, and is protected by copyright laws, just like original inventions. Almost all forms of expression fall under copyright protection as long as they are recorded in some way (such as a book or a computer file).
All of the following are considered plagiarism:
turning in someone else's work as your own
copying words or ideas from someone else without giving credit
failing to put a quotation in quotation marks
giving incorrect information about the source of a quotation
changing words but copying the sentence structure of a source without giving credit
copying so many words or ideas from a source that it makes up the majority of your work, whether you give credit or not (see our section on "fair use" rules)
Most cases of plagiarism can be avoided, however, by citing sources. Simply acknowledging that certain material has been borrowed, and providing your audience with the information necessary to find that source, is usually enough to prevent plagiarism. See our section on citation for more information on how to cite sources properly. Source
therefore copying and pasting is plagiarism if you do not give the source
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| Jun 13 @ 1:05 PM |
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beckyiv42000
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Oh Nah I have no problem giving God his due.. but being told I MUST cite chapter and verse?? please ... that is just arrogant and very presumptuous that something as simple and well known as lets say the Ten Commandments NEEDS to be cited chapter and verse 
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