| Aug 15 @ 11:16 AM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Just so we all know, are there any definitive, unalterable guidelines for what makes a person "a troll"?
Is there something that has already been written down? (So individuals do not feel singled-out when they are disciplined.)
Are people expected to abide by any particular guidelines for behaviour anymore??
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| Aug 15 @ 11:21 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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With the recent banning of "He Who Shall Not Be Named," ForumMod gave a reason why they were banned and the-person -whom-you're-trying-to-get-banned wasn't. Didn't you read that explanation at that time?
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| Aug 15 @ 11:47 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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are there any definitive, unalterable guidelines for what makes a person "a troll"?
nope....
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| Aug 15 @ 11:52 AM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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No. Sorry Napa I didn't read those reasons.
Thanks.
Will you tell me where I can read them?
Please?
And Napa, I'm not trying to get anyone banned. That's not my way. 
I just have a fondness for consistency. I believe strongly that everyone should abide by the same rules.
Most especially when any of those rules are already in place. I don't think there should be more than one set of rules.
Alot of people have great difficulty with obedience of any kind. Including me at one time. But most of us can leave those times behind them in their childhood.
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| Aug 15 @ 12:04 PM |
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MrPaul
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Alot of people have great difficulty with obedience of any kind  
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| Aug 15 @ 12:11 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Pretty much, "they're being an a**hole" isn't trolling. If they applied that criteria, there wouldn't be enough people in P&CE or R&S (or some of the other forums...) to run a conversation.
The forums are an insane asylum, where the patients run the facility. The mods only come in when things get too unruly. You see, there's not too many mods, their shifts don't cover the whole week, much less the whole day, and even when there's a mod online, it doesn't mean they are looking at the right forum.
The forums aren't a "money maker" for the website. People come to a dating website to find dates. Not to engage in lively debates in forums. Thus, the forums don't get a more hands-on style of moderation. For the mods, it's easier (more cost-effective) to close down a thread.
If there's enough interest in a thread, and there is still something to be discussed (i.e., it hasn't settled down into a rhythm of "uh uh" "uh huh"), the mods will try to "clean up" and reopen a thread--but that takes more time, which means more money, and the website already views the forums as a "cost center" rather than a "profit center," so there has to be a damn good reason to spend the time doing it.
Punishing someone for "trolling" is more problematic. Is the person trolling, or are they just being a jerk? If they're engaged in abuse, was it mutual or was it unwarranted? Investigating this requires a LOT of time. It's got to be VERY, VERY obvious that someone is at fault, before they're labeled a troll. It's not generally worth the mods' time.
So yeah. The person to whom this thread refers is a bit of a pain in the tuchus. (Okay, a VERY BIG pain in the tuchus...) But he's not a troll...
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| Aug 15 @ 12:33 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Okay...thanks for straightening me out on that Napa.
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| Aug 15 @ 12:35 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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No problem. :-)
Pretty much, learn to ignore him. I scan his posts, to see if he's posting something new. When he continues to post the same schist he did before, I skip on to the next post.
You have to build up a filter...
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| Aug 15 @ 1:23 PM |
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Angel54214
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Well SOC...as this date site does contain "Forum Rules" which is MatchDoctor's forum code of conduct to their site. MatchDoctor does not define "Troll" as this cyber antic is defined through out public forums ranging from professional to humor.
Just for comparison sake as in this thread:
http://www.matchdoctor.com/thread_87_36554_1/Testimony_time--round_2.html
Forum Rules:
http://www.matchdoctor.com/forumRules.aspx
According to the Forum rule #13 surely has been violated:
Rule #13:
13) No explicit, sexual, offensive, insulting or vulgar language. Treat others with respect.
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SOC did not post this as a debate thread but to masturbate in public with a prayer thread. There is nothing to debate yet because its purely about his own personal trauma that prove no magical healing took place. Posting personal information means its debatable and personal. After 25 years he still can't run and still can't get laid either. He avoided the proper physical therapy route decades ago and only went to church. He avoided neurological follows up after his hallucinations. Those are the facts since he wants to share personal facts but exclude all of it to present his own fairytale version of it. Very dishonest and lots of self denial of reality.
The above is a "perfect" example...
Although there is the other side as well; We are informed in the forum rules...
Rule #2:
Your topic must have a clear subject, so that a reader will know what your thread is about. Please use keywords in your subjects that will allow other users to search for your topic easily. Subjects such as:
"Why do women..." or...
"Every time a man..."
are not good subjects. Thread subjects that do not clearly state the topic of your thread will be deleted.
As opposed to the OP topic in the thread I first posted. The problem I see is that if members open themselves to throw bait, it will attract those that break rule #3. If one leads themselves "personally" vulnerable and non-defensive in the wide open waters, that one will be swallowed up by a troll captor, which has been an ongoing norm in the R & S forum threads.
So forum rule #2 is a protective measure outline to avoid the intentional antics in forum rule #3.
This can and does snowball to any posts that cling to the opposing of rule #2 by the antic of rule #3 even if on topic posts are made without personal contributions.
As I always believe, bad habits are hard to break...
I again recall the wise words from Jesus when he said..."Shake the dust off thy feet" 
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| Aug 15 @ 2:25 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Thanks for clarifying things a little there Angel. 
I guess I so much as invite mischief from who, as Jankia has termed, "little boys". (And if it was not you who said that Jankia, I do apologize. Nevertheless, rascals/miscreants do exist among us.)
Inappropriate behaviour is still inappropriate behaviour regardless of who is responsible for it. (In most cases.)
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| Aug 15 @ 2:54 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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The person-in-question treads the line. He doesn't cross it. He's no different than at least half of the posters in the P&CE and R&S forums. If he were to be punished, wouldn't the mods then punish all the others?
I admit, it would be nice to actually have a debate, rather than being dragged into flame wars. But it would be an awfully quiet, empty space after that purge...
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| Aug 15 @ 3:25 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Post:
SOC did not post this as a debate thread but to masturbate in public with a prayer thread. There is nothing to debate yet because its purely about his own personal trauma that prove no magical healing took place. Posting personal information means its debatable and personal. After 25 years he still can't run and still can't get laid either. He avoided the proper physical therapy route decades ago and only went to church. He avoided neurological follows up after his hallucinations. Those are the facts since he wants to share personal facts but exclude all of it to present his own fairytale version of it. Very dishonest and lots of self denial of reality.
Very sad,,,make s me want to throw up. 
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| Aug 15 @ 5:42 PM |
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BandTMom
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Some people are never going to accept the fact that MD is a melting pot of different cultures, religions, walks of life, races, etc. I'm grateful that it is for I have learned so much I never would in my little corner of the world.
So also have a hard time understanding that it is against MD rules to start a thread excluding any member for we all have the right to post our opinions in any thread we wish.  Any threads meant for "__________ Only" are clearly against the rules and are subject to deletion or become a playground.
IMO, the people that start threads, knowing full well what's going to happen in them, are just as guilty as the ones they think are trolling.
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| Aug 15 @ 6:21 PM |
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Angel54214
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So also have a hard time understanding that it is against MD rules to start a thread excluding any member for we all have the right to post our opinions in any thread we wish. Any threads meant for "__________ Only" are clearly against the rules and are subject to deletion or become a playground.
Mom...I felt this way when I reviewed the thread below:
http://www.matchdoctor.com/thread_87_36561_1/Why_I_am_Buddhist.html
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| Aug 15 @ 6:41 PM |
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ForumMod
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anyone can join that thread and discussion, angel. the man is telling why he's a buddhist and i'm sure he'd welcome questions or related commentary.
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| Aug 15 @ 6:42 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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In what way did his thread preclude other people from posting their experiences and why they chose the religious/spiritual path they follow?
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| Aug 15 @ 7:02 PM |
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BandTMom
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Dunno. He certainly didn't say "Buddhists Only".
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| Aug 15 @ 8:42 PM |
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MrPaul
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The threads are for everyone , the problem is it attracts some of the lowlifes  that crawl out under their rocks to create dissent and do personal attacks  as shown by the post up a few  . One day the MODS will get tired of it  and bring out the golden pooper scooper  and
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| Aug 15 @ 9:35 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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In what way did his thread preclude other people from posting their experiences and why they chose the religious/spiritual path they follow?
I didn't feel excluded even though I'm not a Buddhist, I just mentioned a commonality in beliefs. According to a website that shall not be named's analysis, I'm a Pagan...
As for he who's being discussed, I do pretty much what Napa said...scan and ignore if it's the same old same old. Occasionally I take the bait and respond, but I do it while  because it only invites more of it. Ignoring it's definitely the best response. Every once in awhile we get some interesting discussions going, and it's been really good lately.
Maybe we should just do the 'Don't feed the trolls' routine when it seems called for.
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| Aug 15 @ 10:10 PM |
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Loreli
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FWIW
I really disagree that a person starting the thread is as guilty as the trolls.
Many here are capable of going onto someone's thread and holding discussion without insults and name calling.
My Mom always said if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything.
That was pretty simple even when we were kids.
Doesn't mean each of us hasn't or couldn't lose it on occasion....but almost every post?
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