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| May 24, 2007 @ 11:17 PM |
Women over 50, a liability to companies
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luneib
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Even though companies don't tell me, when I go to job interviews everything seems to be going great, then I never hear from them again even when I am qualified for the positions I am applying for. It costs companies more for medical coverage for an older worker, thus, they hire younger workers. It's a form of discrimination, bottom line, profits. So what does all of this mean? That the older you are, the worse job you will get, seems that way anyways, I see more older workers working at McDonalds burger restaurants than I ever did before. Why can't companies just value our skills, our years of knowledge, our willingness to stay with a company, to show up everyday for work on time, whatever happened to hiring workers who are loyal to a company instead of taking just 20 year old girls for the job just to save a few pennies.
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| May 25, 2007 @ 10:25 AM |
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travelnfrog
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Very sad but true....but it's not just the gals, guys can have the same problem. Most (not all, thank goodness) companies would rather hire the young kid at a much lower salary and train them to their way of doing things.
They forget the added cost of training, time off for kids, stupidity, time off for hangovers - you know what I mean.
Another thing that comes into play....I found myself in the position of wanting to do basic clerical work. I didn't want the high-stress, many-hours corporate positions that I lived for when I was younger. Even after three tries at dumbing down my resume, I only got 2 call-backs for over 50 resumes submitted. Sigh....
Once again, word of mouth has proved itself for me....my last two jobs were found that way. Both appreciated an older worker that is rarely sick, doesn't have kids to take care of, shows up on time, and knows the ropes of dealing with all kinds and temperaments of people.
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| May 25, 2007 @ 11:07 AM |
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luneib
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I have done the same, I've removed some jobs from my resume to actually appear younger to the prospective hiring companies. Same thing for me, sent out a ton of resumes, got about 2 replies in return, only a couple of interviews. I'm just going to start phoning companies at random, the online job sites just aren't working for me. You are right, time off for hangovers etc. if they hire younger people, that is so true.
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| May 28, 2007 @ 9:14 AM |
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nightrider3281
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It is sad but the older you get being man or woman these companies hate hiring us. Even though we can do as good if not better than the younger ones. You are nothing but a number in the work force,
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| May 28, 2007 @ 6:36 PM |
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SensualGemini
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...Tis truth for both genders; the corporate world is what it is. In my early 20's, after the military gig, a year in a factory, a year as an estimator and untold amount of college hours, I vowed to never work for another in that capacity again.
...Ever consider self employment? Working with a personal passion, is more like a hobby. Far less taxes, controlled hours and a sense of independence. Every town has a library full of how to books and never look back.
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| May 30, 2007 @ 8:12 AM |
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minky
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It must be the field you are working in. I can pick up a job in any medical domain
in a heartbeat. Ever think about changing professions 
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| May 30, 2007 @ 8:24 AM |
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twotall911
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true about your just a number but shoot anyone can cross over a profession
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| Jun 17, 2007 @ 10:36 AM |
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alachuabrian
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It all depends on the company.
I've been in my present job with a defense contractor for 2 years now... BEST working environment I've EVER been in!
Many corporations nowadays will practically bend-over-backwards to AVOID any appearance of age discrimination. At 50, I happen to be one of the 'youngsters' in my workplace, with many folks 8 ~ 10 years my senior & close to retirement eligibility. I say 'eligibility', because there are plenty of my co-workers who are 75-ish & not even vaguely interested in retiring!
One thing worth noting -- the 'ole "Resume Trip" will get you just about NOWHERE in today's market. Nearly ALL large-scale corporations are using the "trial-hire" approach through a TEMP AGENCY. At my company, this is the ONLY way you will ever get through the front door -- and yes, engineering, technical & administrative positions ARE included!
If you want a GREAT job, RIGHT NOW... here's how to do it ;
1. Chuck the resumes & cover letters in the TRASH. Keep 2 copies of the resume, merely as a formality when approaching the agency.
2. Make a list of ALL the temp. agencies in your town. You MUST visit ALL of them, as YOU will be doing the "screening".
3. Make it VERY clear to each agency that you are looking for a professional position, AND that you are not even remotely interested in a $8/Hr. secretarial or assembly-line job.
4. Sit back & judge the results.
NOTE -- MANY agencies, even those that advertise "technical & executive placement"... actually have NOTHING other than meanial jobs available. You will KNOW this when they ONLY offer the sort of jobs that you TOLD them you would turn down! Check these agencies OFF of your list & do NOT go back!
If you are in a decent labor market with plenty of SUCCESSFUL industrial and / or technical employers nearby, you will find at least ONE agency offering decent jobs. They will prove their value to YOU, by presenting you with job openings that utilize your skills, and the "opening money" will be in the $15.00 ~ $20.00 range.
Been there... Done that!
Happy Hunting.
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| Jun 24, 2007 @ 3:51 PM |
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LivinProof
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Well after reading alachuabrian advise, it makes sense, frankly we should print it and post it on the refrigorator to remind us...... this is how someone over 50 does business now a days.
I am 59 and I am lucky enough to still have my job after 18 years, BUT I will soon be turning 60 and on the down slide, I know that no one will bring a 60 year old into a open position in their department, they don't want to even "look" at the face of someone this age, seriously we just remind them of what will become of them, they see a negative not a positive. Gurr.......... I am tired of it, but.... I need to eat so I do what I have to do and usually that is suck it up and keep on doing a good job so I can be proud of my work.
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| Jun 24, 2007 @ 5:47 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Just for the record, I was 60 when my company laid out $34K to move me from NYC to PHX, and three years later we're discussing consultancy if I still feel like retiring at the end of the year - we're keeping it open for now. As for hiring, our last new hire was a few months ago and he's in his mid-50's...I seriously doubt that being a man or a woman would matter as the women outnumber the men in the group who'd have the yea or nay on the candidate, and I'll guarantee when we find a really strong candidate, we pay zero attention to gender.
Never say never, cuz you never know. I figured that if I took the relocation package, I'd work for a year training people, then be dropped; I also thought I'd never see a raise or a bonus again. My new director laughed out loud when I said that to him...apparently with good cause - raises and bonuses have exceeded anything I'd ever gotten before.
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| Jul 1, 2007 @ 4:48 PM |
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luneib
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alachuabrian, thanx for the advice, I appreciate it. I am registered with 4 employment agencies, none of which have gotten me anything. I have had 2 interviews through them, that was all in a years time, pretty sad huh? One was for a factory job working 3rd shift making $9.00 an hour, don't think so. The other A/R job, but I could tell the woman I'd be working for was a real B**ch so I'm glad I didn't get that job. She was so rude when she answered the phone while I was there, no wonder 3 people left that job. There is always a reason.
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| Jul 2, 2007 @ 1:29 PM |
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Moogie25
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I just saw this subject today and had to tell you what happened. I have been trying to get a decent job since I lost my job due to divorce. It was a family business and it was easy for him to replace me with another bookkeeper. I did all the office work as well as running errands and even doing his personal bills after we separated. Finally I had to get a divorce and move on, but that meant no job. For the last 2 years I haven't been able to get anything but a couple of short term temp jobs. I send out resumes and nothing happens. Finally I went to two agencies and had interviews all over the place. I was just offered a job an hour ago. I start on Thursday!!!!!!!! Agencies are the way to go for us older set. I am almost 62.
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| Jul 2, 2007 @ 6:28 PM |
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capobeachguy
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alachuabrian made some great points and I would like to reiterate one of them:
Make a list of ALL the employment agencies in your town. You MUST visit ALL of them, as YOU will be doing the "screening".
I am now retired and have been for five years, but my last work was that as a consultant for a fairly large corporation in southern California where I hired many permanent as well as part-time employees. This company had negotiated terms with a couple of job placement agencies to handle all of their openings. In return for this exclusivity, these agencies charged the company at a lower-than-normal rate.
By visiting all of the employment agencies, you not only have the opportunity to screen them, you give yourself a better chance at making contact with one with the connections to your desired position.
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| Jul 5, 2007 @ 8:30 AM |
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dalebr
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All of the older workers are a liability. Men too. They want to still keep their souls while the work, and usually actually want to be paid for their competence and experiene that the employer claims to want. Employers really want to work head games and young people are more susceptible to that.
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| Jul 7, 2007 @ 5:37 PM |
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wiccked
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i am just going to start lying about my age- 
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| Jul 8, 2007 @ 1:03 AM |
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ToucherinSparks
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This is interesting to me, right now there are a couple of things going on where I work (a large university data center). First, I'm on a hiring board to hire some trainee system techs, and one of the things I can say about older canidates is that many disqualify themselves by asking for a starting salary higher than what we pay. It's a fact that younger people will, in general, work for less money.
Now, the more important thing that's going on is that we are doing "succession planning", most of our work force is baby boomers and about 60% will retire in the next 10 years, including almost every one of our supervisors, managers, and directors. This baby boomer retirement thing is going to be a big bomb that hits employers all over the country, get ready for it, and get ready for older workers to be in BIG demand, since there just are not enough younger people to replace us.
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| Jul 16, 2007 @ 7:08 PM |
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ladyraindove74
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Very interesting topic. I'm a state employee, and have been trying for a long while now to advance to a position within our internal mobility program. Yet, I haven't managed to do that yet. I get interviews and feel I am well qualified, but never hear back from them. I am convinced it is an age issue. Even a lot of the Federal Gov't jobs have an age limit...aah, older people seem to not be wanted, even though we have more experience, we are more reliable and dependable than the young ones that come in off the street. I get really frustrated at times, but...I keep plugging along, hoping that the opportunity will present itself for a bit of advancement.
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| Jul 17, 2007 @ 6:25 PM |
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capobeachguy
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I get interviews and feel I am well qualified, but never hear back from them. I am convinced it is an age issue. After you know for sure that someone else has been selected for the position that you were seeking, would it be possible for you to ask the interviewer for his/her opinion as to what you might be able to do to better qualify yourself for that position? To do so in an informal and non-confrontational manner might give you some help for the future and will at the very least let them know of your sincerity in the position your are seeking.
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| Jul 19, 2007 @ 2:41 AM |
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suzieq0808
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I recently hired a woman who I'm guessing is about 60. She was my preference, no romance drama, no kids getting sick, no pregnancy. She's secure in herself so she doesn't play politics. Not to mention her experience and skills. Though I looked at other demographics, I presumed that an older woman would be a good fit for my open position.
I'd suggest emphasizing your dependability, your experience, your work ethic, etc.
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| Jul 24, 2007 @ 4:21 PM |
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luneib
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I've tried changing professions too, I interviewed for a medical position, medical receptionist, they said I needed to know the medical software, they would not train you on it, ugh, so....I didn't get that job.
Recently I sent my resume to a real estate office, I'm waiting to hear back on that one, it is for a Call Center. The lady said I was in high contention, we'll see. I should know by Friday at the latest.
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