| Oct 16, 2006 @ 2:55 AM |
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Dovestreasure
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Philip Morris, is the world's largest commercial tobacco company by sales.They make Marlboro, Parliament, Virginia Slims, and Benson & Hedges. There have been many lawsuits and media attack against the company. We all know and Philip Morris knows that Cigarettes can cause cancer and other fatal diseases. There mission statement says " Our goal is to be the most responsible, effective and respected developer, manufacturer and marketer of consumer products, especially products intended for adults" I would have to say the majority of smokers start smoking before they are legal adults. The tobacco companies know this as well, after all they must aid in producing new generations of smokers.
Philip Morris USA agrees with the overwhelming medical and scientific consensus that cigarette smoking is addictive. It can be very difficult to quit smoking, but this should not deter smokers who want to quit from trying to do so.As a matter of fact they have a program called Quit assist for this very purpose. I just see such a conflict of interest here. The sell the product that causes the addiction and then try to a responsible company and assist people in kicking the habit. I am guessing this is to counter all the bad press that companies like Philip Morris are receiving.
So smokers and non smokers is this not like the drug pushers opening up drug rehabilitation centers to clear their conscience????
( this thread is dedicated to Jack who has quit smoking)
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| Oct 16, 2006 @ 5:18 AM |
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jackf1950
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for me!!!! thanks!!!! and yep, I started smoking at 12.... 
been trying to quit for years.... made it 3 years one time, and a few 6 months stretches... it is harder to quit than the booze was...
but there is a site, the quitnet..... it has free and pay stuff, the free works fine...
if any of us wants info on what, how to quit let me know......
and if you are worried about weight gain, by listening to hypno tapes that also address substituting food for cigs.... I have only gained 1, yep, one, pound in 61 days....
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| Oct 16, 2006 @ 8:18 AM |
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zeno333789
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I am not sure, but I understand that those ads from cigarette makers that try to get people to not use their products are a direct result from a court order from one of the infamous law suites here in Florida.
(ironicaly, the first of the big lawsuites was regarding a woman that was from right here in Altamonte Springs).
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| Oct 16, 2006 @ 10:35 AM |
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Dovestreasure
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I am grateful that kids are going to be better educated about the tremendous health hazards of smoking, then they were in generations gone by. Hopefully they will make better choices before lighting up that first cigarette. All those lawsuits were not in vain.
I worry alot about the effects of second hand smoke and fully support the need for all smoking to take place in outdoor spaces only. I was thrilled when it was no longer permitted in restaurants , I would be a happy camper if bars would be next. Most of my smoking friends are extremely courteous smokers, they do not even smoke indoors in their own homes. Jack I hope you will be a role model for others to make the decision to quit.
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| Oct 16, 2006 @ 8:09 PM |
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Greystone1
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I think we should force all the non-smokers outdoors. It's their turn.
I worry alot about the effects of second hand smoke and fully support the need for all smoking to take place in outdoor spaces only. I was thrilled when it was no longer permitted in restaurants , I would be a happy camper if bars would be next. Most of my smoking friends are extremely courteous smokers, they do not even smoke indoors in their own homes.
There are lots of non-smoking bars around. Why not frequent them instead of dictating how everyone else conducts their lives?
Your friends are real wusses if they allow others to dictate what they can or cannot do in their own homes.
I find that many if not most non-smokers are rude, obnoxious, wannabe dictators who demand that smokers be what non-smokers are not, i.e. considerate.
[Edited on 10/16/2006 8:42 PM]
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| Oct 16, 2006 @ 11:34 PM |
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Dovestreasure
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Your friends are real wusses if they allow others to dictate what they can or cannot do in their own homes
Grey they do this on their own cognition. They prefer to not have their homes not smell like ashtrays. Hardly wusses , I would say they are a first class act.
There are lots of non-smoking bars around. Why not frequent them instead of dictating how everyone else conducts their lives?
Grey I would never dictate how someone lives their life, it is your personal choice to smoke as its mine not too. I would prefer being in a smoke free environment when possible, I am not going to limit myself where I want to go due to a smokey environment. You can smoke when ever you want to go, and hopefully you would show courtesy to those around you and take that cigarette outdoors.
I find that many if not most non-smokers are rude, obnoxious, wannabe dictators who demand that smokers be what non-smokers are not, i.e. considerate .
We are obviously sitting on different sides of the fence, I do not know any smokers or non smokers personally that fit that description
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| Oct 16, 2006 @ 11:40 PM |
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witchietoo
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I smoke, but do not smoke in my house. I have a covered porch that I would rather sit outside in to smoke. I do this for me and no one else. I don't want everything I own to smell of smoke. I have always smoked outside, so why change now?
I also will not smoke around my nieces and nephews. No one else in the family smokes, so why would I want to subject them to my bad habit? Again, this is a personal choice not one that was made for me, but by me.
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| Oct 16, 2006 @ 11:59 PM |
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Dovestreasure
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Witchie is a cool and considerate smoker 
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| Oct 17, 2006 @ 12:05 AM |
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redhairNfreckles
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I used to smoke all thru nursing school and for several years after that but then I quit. I had a relapse about 8 years ago when my marriage dissolved, smoked a few cartons then quit again. I personally have no objections to guests smoking in my house or around me, but they insist on going outside for their smokes. I guess my smoking friends have more consideration for me than I do for myself....
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| Oct 17, 2006 @ 5:38 AM |
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jackf1950
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when I WAS a smoker  , I smoked in my house, car, any place that was mine, but out and about, I even tried not to stand right next to a door and smoke, that would be subjecting folks that just wanted to go in/out to my stuff...
now that I am a non-smoker  I do ask friends not to smoke in house(it is for sale) but when I go places, like my AA /NA meetings, there is a whole lotta smokin going on and I am right out there with um, it smells good to me...so, I dont think I will turn into a smoking Nazi, but I do know folks that have...
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| Oct 17, 2006 @ 6:29 AM |
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Greystone1
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Grey I would never dictate how someone lives their life, it is your personal choice to smoke as its mine not too. I would prefer being in a smoke free environment when possible, I am not going to limit myself where I want to go due to a smokey environment.
So... laws should be passed prohibiting smoking anyplace you might want to go to? And you don't consider yourself a dictator?
You might want to go to people's homes, therefore should smoking be prohibited in everyone's home?
[Edited on 10/17/2006 6:45 AM]
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| Oct 17, 2006 @ 6:47 AM |
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Greystone1
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when I WAS a smoker , I smoked in my house, car, any place that was mine...
What if you owned a bar or a restaurant? Isn't that a place that is yours?
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| Oct 17, 2006 @ 8:09 AM |
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Blondiblue
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In response to:I find that many if not most non-smokers are rude, obnoxious, wannabe dictators who demand that smokers be what non-smokers are not, i.e. considerate.
I am a non smoker and have been for 8 + yrs. I did smoke for 30 yrs. I think smokers, are rude, obnoxious, wannabe dictators, and not very considerate to non smokers. I was in a very serious house fire after I quit smoking and now I have emphazema. When I am around smokers, even their nasty breath makes me start coughing uncontrollably. I hate when I go to a store and employees are outside the front door smoking and I have to breathe their smoke just to go inside the store. Employers should have designated smoking area at back of store, so shoppers don't have to be bothered with trying to breath fresh air. Wish smokers could realize what they are doing to their own lungs and not just to non smokers. My sister-in-law just had 2/3s of her left lung removed. She quit about 8 yrs. ago also. You smokers can go ahead and smoke your lungs out, but please try to do it where I don't have to be forced to breath it and ruin what is left of mine from having that nasty habit years ago. I dated a guy awhile back who told me he was a nonsmoker. When he kissed me, his lie was pretty evident as he tasted like the bottom of a nasty ashtray......ughhhhhhhhhhh He was quickly kicked to the curb....
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| Oct 17, 2006 @ 9:36 AM |
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Kenn159
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If two people are in a room ,one is a smoker the other a non smoker ,the non smoker being in the room is not infrnging on the smokers rights in anyway just being present .
But the smoker just being there is infringing on the non smokers right to breath clean air and to not increase his chances of getting lung cancer from second hand smoke.
I have to agree with Blondiblue,there are alot of smokers walking around with a chip on their shoulders that never seems to go away towards non smokers that dont want to breath that stuff their puffing in our faces.
II grew up in a time where many parents smoked in their houses and around their kids, and in cars with passengers just trying to gasp for breath.
I remember those days and Im glad things are better for this generation and I appreciate the smokers like Wichiedee that are considerate to others .
Smokers have every right to smoke if they want as long as it doesnt infring on the rights of non smokers to breath.
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| Oct 17, 2006 @ 1:28 PM |
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Greystone1
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Smokers have every right to smoke if they want as long as it doesnt infring on the rights of non smokers to breath.
It is up to the owner of the property to decide if smoking is permitted there or not. Assuming smoking is permitted and the two people don't have to be there, it is the smoker's right to smoke if he wants and the non-smoker can tolerate it or go breathe somewhere else.
I have seen non-smokers go to a designated smoking area and complain about the smoke... DUH
There are smoker friendly bars and there are non-smoking bars. This gives everyone what they want, but non-smokers (being the rude, obnoxious, wannabe dictators they are) are not satisfied with that arrangement. They might want to go to the smoker friendly bars, therefore smoking should be illegal in all bars. How considerate is that? Some of them don't even go to bars, but they want it to be illegal anyways.
Non-smokers want smokers to kiss their ass... and then they turn the other cheek.
I have to agree with Blondiblue,there are alot of smokers walking around with a chip on their shoulders that never seems to go away towards non smokers that dont want to breath that stuff their puffing in our faces.
With every new law and every new tax, that chip is getting bigger. Smokers are getting tired of being pushed around and robbed blind.
[Edited on 10/17/2006 1:51 PM]
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| Oct 17, 2006 @ 2:05 PM |
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Blondiblue
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I would never want you to kiss my ass with those smoker lips, so don't say non smokers do this and that, cause not all are like that and not all are as rude as you! I, too, was once a smoker...30 yrs./3 pack a day.... and am so glad I quit, but was never rude to anyone, smoker or non smoker and I didn't smoke around my non smoking friends and some never knew I smoked at all.
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| Oct 17, 2006 @ 2:15 PM |
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Dovestreasure
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With every new law and every new tax, that chip is getting bigger. Smokers are getting tired of being pushed around and robbed blind.
The nerve of them wanting to make the air we breathe healthier.
Grey I know we could all sit here and spout facts why smoking is so bad for you , and it wont make a difference to you at all. Addiction is a very powerful force to reckon with , Im sure you know how bad it is for you. Maybe one day you will quit and maybe you never will. Thats your choice. For the rest of us that have made a choice to not smoke and keep our lungs free from smokes damaging effects , should not have to breathe in your smoke. In order for a bar to be smoke free a precise percentage of their sales has to be from food. Otherwise bars can allow smoking. If there is a band I want to see or an event like a friends party being held in a smoking permitted facility then I am going to go. I put myself at risk to be with my friends. I do not sit there and tell people to go outside. I just simply wish they would. The considerate smokers do when they know there are non smokers among them.
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| Oct 17, 2006 @ 2:36 PM |
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Greystone1
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If there is a band I want to see or an event like a friends party being held in a smoking permitted facility then I am going to go. I put myself at risk to be with my friends.
That is your choice.
I do not sit there and tell people to go outside.
No, you want your legislators to do your dirty work for you. If you did your own dictating, that would be rude and obnoxious, right?
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| Oct 17, 2006 @ 2:55 PM |
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Dovestreasure
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I would want the legislators to do whats right for the common good of the people . You would even benefit from this. When you are smoking and around other smokers in an enclosed space , you are breathing in their smoke as well as your own, therefore putting yourself at further risk.
Im terribly sorry Grey but I cant be the obnoxious and rude person you were hoping for , its just not in my nature. I care to much about others.
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| Oct 17, 2006 @ 3:06 PM |
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Greystone1
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A benevolent dictator is nonetheless a dictator, even if they dictate by proxy.
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