| Nov 28, 2006 @ 5:41 PM |
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zeno333789
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Today, the Sherif or Orange county said on TV that 84 percent of all the robberies in Orlando are commited by kids under he age of 18. he also said tht the majority of those kids commit the robberies while skipping school.
There is some terribly, and i mean terribly wrong here...To have 84 percent of all robberies being commited by kids.
The media talks about generation X being the lost generation, but those are mere words. it comes home when one sees that 84 percent figure.
Can this awful fact be changed?? Can it be at least reversed some????
This is a calamity of the highest proportion.
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| Nov 28, 2006 @ 6:01 PM |
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bren_factor
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do you have a reference to this that i could read? that figure sounds awfully high.
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| Nov 28, 2006 @ 6:05 PM |
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witchietoo
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That is like the kid in I want to say Largo or Pinellas Park....steals lego's gets caught by an employee then shows the employee she has a 10" knife on her. She was only around 7 or 8 years old. So, it isn't only that area...it is all over.
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| Nov 28, 2006 @ 6:06 PM |
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zeno333789
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It was on TV channel 6 as a preview of their "Problem Solvers" series.
They had Sheriff Berry on TV in a short clip mentioning the 84 percent figure, and the under age 18 involvement more than once. I do not have a print reference, but the 84 percent figure is straight from the sherifs mouth.
To quote HAL from the movie 2001, "It's a reliable figure" ;) ;)
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| Nov 28, 2006 @ 6:57 PM |
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witchietoo
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If you look on the right hand side it gives a snippet of the 11:00 news
http://www.local6.com/index.html
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| Nov 28, 2006 @ 7:01 PM |
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Dovestreasure
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If these statistics are correct then we need to be proactive rather then reactive to the problem.
I am about to get on my soapbox.. the key is education and breaking the cycle of poverty. I cannot emphasize the importance of education enough.Early motivation can cultivate change.Self esteem and expectation to suceed are inplanted early by our environment. Children that are raised in hostile uncaring environments are the ones that are growing up to seek refuge in alchohol, drugs, violence and crime, These children come from families that are living well below the poverty level. Due to lack of education and motivation the cycle continues from one generation to the next. Our society and individuals complain about the crime rate, they complain about supporting millions of people that are able bodied and not working. We are a society of complainers and yet we do nothing to make a change on a personal level.
Programs like Head Start have had jumped on the bandwagon on the war against poverty over fourty years ago.So many families have become self sufficient as a result. The statistics are amazing. We need to find ways to keep children motivated and in School. There are ways you can help. Most schools have volunteer programs that are hungering for help. If you have free time get out there and volunteer. You can become a mentor for a child, you have no idea how children and teens can thrive when they have positive role models in their lives.
We have a choice here we can spend a fortune on prisons and drug and alchohol rehabilitaion in the future , or we can prevent a child from committing the crimes that Zeno is so outraged about.
We all know the expression it takes a village to raise a child. Well its time we all did our part and raise these children right. YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE in the life of a child.
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| Nov 28, 2006 @ 7:09 PM |
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zeno333789
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I could not find anything about the story on the TV 6 web site.
I know the figure is hard to believe, thats exactly why I made the posting :)
For those that do not believe it, you will have to call the TV station. :)
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| Nov 28, 2006 @ 7:17 PM |
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goose935
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I say kill them all & let god separate them, so wut if there r kids they gotta learn sometime crime doesn't pay. It will KILL YOU so hearing those figures I bought 2 guns, rob from me.
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| Nov 28, 2006 @ 8:58 PM |
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Dovestreasure
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It never fails I start preaching about the importance of education and with out fail someone comes along and offers proof.. sheesh 
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| Nov 28, 2006 @ 10:31 PM |
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zeno333789
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The report will be on the 11 o'clock news tonight on channel 6 Orlando TV.
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| Nov 29, 2006 @ 12:04 AM |
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zeno333789
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What Dove said is true...
However, poverty and income level does not bring a direct correlation to crime propensity all the time....
There are plenty of non-educated and or poor people that do not even think about robbing someone.
Whay makes those poor people different from those that rob people? Our society really needs to anazlyse this and understand what is going on regarding this fact.
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| Nov 29, 2006 @ 12:27 AM |
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zeno333789
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Speaking of education, only 18 percent of 9th graders finish college in the next 6 years. Article from Yahoo news follows...
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States give failing grade to graduation rates
By Ben Arnoldy, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor Tue Nov 28, 3:00 AM ET
BOSTON - For decades, college gates have opened wider and wider to the American public, with more whites and minorities attending than ever before. But that expansion is under strain in the face of rising costs and faster growth of minority populations long left behind in the march to graduation.
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A new report released Monday from the National Conference of State Legislatures sounds the alarm: For every 100 ninth graders, only 18 will enter college and finish within six years.
"These results simply are not good enough," concludes the report, which was compiled by a bipartisan commission over 18 months.
To help more students earn diplomas, higher education and the states that oversee much of the system need to tackle spiraling tuition, poor college preparation, and the lack of help to keep students moving toward a degree, say experts.
"Colleges have to take seriously the responsibility for graduating the kids they admit," says Thomas Mortenson, an analyst with the Pell Institute for the Study of Opportunity in Higher Education. "And if they don't, maybe they ought to pick up the student loan burden of the people who don't finish."
The report lays much of the blame at the ballooning price of a bachelor's degree, which is more than double the rate of inflation. For example, over the past five years, average tuition has climbed 35 percent, adjusted for inflation, at four-year public colleges, according to the College Board in New York. Inflation rose 13.8 percent over the same period.
Two-thirds of college students must borrow money to pay for their education. Loan debt by student borrowers at public colleges jumped from $8,000 10 years ago to $17,250, according to inflation-adjusted figures from the American Association of State Colleges and Universities.
States such as Indiana, Georgia, and Oklahoma are taking steps to aid college students and their families. And reducing the student-loan rate is an "early action" item on the agenda for the Democratic-controlled Congress.
And there are some positive trends. Graduation rates for those who start college are finally inching up after years of setbacks, says Mr. Mortenson. And the share of Americans with postsecondary degrees is higher across all major ethnic categories.
But it's taking students a longer time on average to complete degrees, and the process is saddling them with more and more debt. "The state is short-changed on its return on investment in these students," says the NCSL report.
States have significant control over higher education - and a real economic interest in its success. Wisconsin spends roughly $1 billion on its university system, which generates $10 billion annually to the state's economy, according to a University of Wisconsin report.
Across the country, higher education boosts tax revenues, cuts dependence on welfare, and boosts community service among other social benefits, according to the Institute for Higher Education Policy in Washington.
Despite the payoffs, states have cut back their commitment to higher education, according to the NCSL, shifting more of the burden to those paying tuition.
And the federal government Pell Grant program "has fallen apart," says Mortenson. If grants had kept up with the rises in tuition, the average Pell Grant would be around $10,000, rather than $4,000, he says. Instead, much of the new assistance for students comes in the form of loans.
The financial burdens appear to be making it more difficult for low-income students to complete a degree. Of students starting at a four-year college in 1996, only 50 percent of those from households making $25,000 or less ended up with a bachelor's degree by 2001, compared with 74 percent of students from households making $70,000 or more.
Working while in school also depresses graduation rates. In those same years, 65 percent of those who did not work graduated, while only 31 percent who worked full time did so.
There are also wide disparities in college attendance and completion rates between ethnic and racial groups, with Hispanics and blacks lagging behind whites and Asians.
The costs of higher education, as well as poor preparation for college, are holding back many minority students, experts say.
To tackle the problems faced by disadvantaged students, several states are tying financial incentives to long-term commitments from students long before they enter college.
Indiana is striking a bargain with its poor and lower-middle-class eighth graders: Maintain at least a 2.0 grade point average through high school, stay out of drugs and alcohol, and take the right set of classes, and we'll pay your in-state college tuition.
Last year, some 15,000 eighth graders enrolled in the 21st Century Scholar Program, and 125,000 have enrolled since the program started in the mid-1990s.
"It's increased a lot of the high-school graduation rates. It's certainly increased the number of low-income students going to college," says Nick Vesper, director of policy and research at Indiana's State Student Assistance Commission in Indianapolis.
Studies are only being done now, h
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| Nov 29, 2006 @ 12:29 AM |
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witchietoo
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There are also, rich people that think nothing of crime either. Lets see...we have Robert Blake, OJ, the Menendez Brothers and then you have all the people that embezzle money and get caught...so it isn't always about status or what you do or don't have. Then also look at all the stars that have goobs of money and do drugs all the time....no matter what they are breaking the law
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| Nov 29, 2006 @ 12:34 AM |
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zeno333789
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True
Look at all the rich folks that can not make a marriage last more than a couple years...I know, i do not speak from experience in that department, etc, but geesh.
Have all that money, and they still are miserable. Geesh.....
There is no hard fast rule for sure, that enables one to put ones income into an equation and know the crime outcome, or the happiness outcome etc.
[Edited on 11/29/2006 12:41 AM]
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| Nov 29, 2006 @ 4:07 AM |
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Dovestreasure
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What makes those poor people different from those that rob people? Our society really needs to anazlyse this and understand what is going on regarding this fact
Positive influences and role models in their lives , functional families with strong work ethics, good self esteem, good morale up bringing, parents that are involved in their childrens lives. Motivation to improve their lot in life. Better educated.
The kids that are commiting the robberies you speak of are not growing up in environments like that.
High profile cases and crimes of passion like the ones you have mentioned Witchie are commited by Sociopaths that come from all walks of life.There is something seriously wrong with anyone with little regard for human life. Drugs and alchohol use crosses all economic boundaries. The rich however do not need to steal to support their habits , they just squander away their disposable income.
Zeno the rich and famous are no different then anyone when it comes to affairs of the heart and marriage. We just hear about their personal lives due to the nature of who they are. I would imagine that when every move you make is news worthy , it would make a relationship all the harder to maintain. We hear little about the marriages that have stood the test of time, because its less news worthy.
Makes me sad to see the rise in crime in Orlando. This town for me was about magical happy places and a sense of security after living in a huge urban metropolis for so long. I never worried much about being out on my own late at night. This is not the case now. I live in a low crime area but I do not take it for granted that I could easily become a victim of a crime.
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| Nov 29, 2006 @ 1:01 PM |
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witchietoo
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Here is something I came across thought you all might find interesting. It isn't just Orlando, but all of FL. If you think about it, a lot of the crime rate is going up along with the population.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/flcrime.htm
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| Nov 29, 2006 @ 1:20 PM |
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jfreak68
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At one time this area was the place to live, you could leave your doors unlocked and not have to worry about breaking into your home. You could leave your cars unlocked and not have to worry whether or not it will me stolen..Not so anymore.. It really is sad to say. And it is only going to get worse.... 
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| Nov 29, 2006 @ 2:02 PM |
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bren_factor
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http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/flcrime.htm
if you really look at this.. the crime rate has dropped. it was highest from 1985-1999.. that along with the population getting higer each year.
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| Nov 29, 2006 @ 2:34 PM |
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witchietoo
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Oh I agree....somethings have gone up some down...the pop has gone up of course, but that is normal.
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| Nov 29, 2006 @ 6:37 PM |
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Tallncrazy
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Gen X isn't under 18 
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