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DiamondRain
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There's no such thing as a no good woman.
Every no good woman was made no good by a no good man.
I saw this on a video I watched today and it got me thinking.
Is it true or false.
Have to admit, in my experience there is a lot of truth in it.
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| Mar 1 @ 11:52 PM |
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pomegranate
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guess it depends on what one's definition of "no good" is. She may be "no good" for you, but "mega good" for the next guy. And depends on what, if anything, the guy she was with did in order to make her a "no good' woman, too, I suppose.
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| Mar 1 @ 11:56 PM |
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DiamondRain
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Let's talk about lying and cheating.
I have to say that most women I have known who did this a lot, were not that way before they were with a man that did them like that.
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| Mar 2 @ 12:11 AM |
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pomegranate
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Interesting. I've been lied to and cheated on many times in my life...hasn't made me a liar or a cheater. I think what's ingrained in a person doesn't leave them. Maybe they're using the fact the men lied and cheated on them as an excuse to justify their lying and cheating.
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| Mar 2 @ 12:27 AM |
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DiamondRain
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Maybe. I didn't mean to imply that a woman is justified in doing those things just because a man did it to her.
I only meant that I have seen more examples of women who started doing these things only after they had it done to them first than the other way around.
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| Mar 2 @ 2:08 AM |
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Always_Striving
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A "no good" woman often uses passionate emotions more so than rational behavior.
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| Mar 2 @ 8:48 AM |
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Loreli
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There's no such thing as a no good woman.
Every no good woman was made no good by a no good man. Well, the statement is redundant, but here goes....
I have known many "problem" women and they started out that way at a very young age.
I don't believe ANYONE is no good. I believe some make stupid choices, and yes- some people may be influenced by, or change because of, a member of the opposite sex.
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| Mar 2 @ 4:50 PM |
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DiamondRain
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I'll just get right down to it.
Biblical Eve notwithstanding, I think that women are intrinsically more moral than men on average, especially when it comes to things like keeping a family (and relationships) together.
Look at the evidence. About 93% of the prison population is men.
Women bear the children and usually take the primary role in raising them. I believe this gives them an instinctual morality that men just don't naturally have. They have a sense of right and wrong when it comes to relationships that focuses on keeping them together.
Men have to learn that, and they often learn from women. Women just know.
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| Mar 2 @ 4:58 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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 I believe that men who are raised primarily by their mothers have that moral quality that you speak of. I don't believe it's nature I believe it's primarily nurture. Rolf and Marko both have this and their mothers are strong influences in their lives.
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| Mar 2 @ 5:04 PM |
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DiamondRain
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OK, but where did their mothers get those qualities to teach them?
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| Mar 2 @ 5:06 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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Don't know. I think it is a mixture of nurture and nature...I think all people have that...because I truly think humans have surpassed most of their basic instincts at this point though I'm not ready to get into a whole scientific debate about it.
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| Mar 2 @ 5:16 PM |
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blueyes101
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I think you are right, most women are " good ". At least to start out.
I also know that there are some bad ones. And it is learned behavior.
I also know many " good " women followed their " love " and turned bad right along with him, ( I doubt Bonnie would have robbed banks with out Clyde )>
In that same thought pattern, I see good women following bad men, more often than good men following bad women.
But, then again, if you have a bad woman and a bad man, I doubt it really maters who is at fault, they have been that way for a very long time, they just have things in common.
As a side note, I have also seen women, who picked the asshole, stayed with him, had kids with him, eventually split, and now put him as the sole blame for the ill's of her life.
I think many women "pick " a bad boy, and find she eventually grows up ( maybe kids ) and then are pissed that the free spirited guy did not choose to take the same path. This may be where the quote came from ? They realize they would never have done half the crap they did in their lives, had they made a better choice int eh man they choose while young.
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| Mar 2 @ 5:23 PM |
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DiamondRain
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Following on something you said blue...
Yes, definitely. I have seen so much evidence that having a child often completely changes a woman's view toward relationships and what they are seeking.
Can't tell you how many times I've seen a younger woman who likes the "bad boy" type change completely after she has a kid.
I think there is definitely a connection between "relationship morality" and child bearing in women.
Of course some men also get a sudden sense of morality if they have children with a woman, but hey, I'm a man, you'll never convince me it is quite the same thing as a woman experiences.
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| Mar 2 @ 5:25 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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My view on bad boys changed awhile ago. I can't stand them. They're a waste of time. Good intellectual conversation with a smart, nice man is much more exciting than anything a "bad boy" could offer.
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| Mar 2 @ 5:51 PM |
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BandTMom
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I agree, Lippy. 
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| Mar 2 @ 6:07 PM |
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blueyes101
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I am so glad to hear you say that LGQ, I remember your arguments about defending bad boys, I'm glad your opinion has changed
Oh, and for those of you who read many of these threads, this is a classic example of why you may or may not like to read an old thread......... Being willing to learn is a good thing, being reminded of an old opinion, may not be. There I go cross threading again. 
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| Mar 2 @ 6:15 PM |
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SKIDELZ
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I agree .. they may not start out " no good " but ...
some women make me ashamed to be a strong woman
but ............. lets reverse it ....
is it in a mans nature to just be a no good man ???
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| Mar 2 @ 8:57 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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My boyfriend is a "reformed bad boy". I like him much better now than the way he describes what he used to be.
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| Mar 2 @ 9:42 PM |
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Fender
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There are NO GOOD WOMEN and there are NO GOOD MEN...Lesbians balance the whole thing out 
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| Mar 3 @ 1:03 AM |
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DiamondRain
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Now THERE'S some words of wisdom!
Got to make a distinction at this point since both are being discussed and it could cause confusion.
There is a difference between a "bad boy" kind of guy and a no good kind of guy.
I'll explain if requested, otherwise I'll assume you know what the difference is.
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