| Jan 23, 2006 @ 10:13 PM |
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Thor1960303
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Men are constantly being criticized by women as having a phobia of committment,but is that the issue?Girls get the Cinderella fantasy drilled into them almost the minute they're out of the womb.They're taught entrapment techniques from the get go,while boys are taught work ethic and to be tough,or that's the traditional model anyway.One of the biggest reasons I think girls are geared early for wedded "bliss" because of the double standard reputation thing as well as the fact since women are the child bearers/nurturers,it would stand to reason they would gravitate more than males.There's also the male of the species vs. the female and the way nature geared the genes.
Thoughts and opinions please.
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| Jan 23, 2006 @ 10:20 PM |
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waiting41
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Evening Thor 
Honey, did you just step out of my parents generation? Is this even still the case anymore? I certainly hope people aren't raising daughters this way in today's society.
Excuse me, but, did you say "entrapment techniques"?  You can't actually be serious with this one.
Btw, I know females who also have major commitment phobias. I know one who even has dating phobia 
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| Jan 23, 2006 @ 10:34 PM |
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suzieq0808
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Ick!
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| Jan 23, 2006 @ 10:46 PM |
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Always_Striving
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 It might have been a good arguement 40 or even 30 years ago but today many fathers ain't gonna be around long enough if they try to impose those standards on women. I guess they call it oppression or sumptin like that?
Hey have ya met Cletus or Goober?
[Edited on 1/23/2006 10:54 PM]
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| Jan 23, 2006 @ 10:49 PM |
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waiting41
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| Jan 23, 2006 @ 11:48 PM |
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Pete73052
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Where does a parent learn these entrapment techniques - in order to teach them to their child? I've got a 13 year old daughter (I call her Ashputtle) and I'm pretty sure I'm way behind on her education in this area. Is it too late for her to learn this if I start now? Are there any training classes I can take for this? Maybe at the local adult occupational center? I'd hate to feel like my daughter doesn't have the skills she needs to survive in today's world.
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| Jan 24, 2006 @ 12:01 AM |
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MuskogeeBill
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Pete maybe you should ask Waiting? I just saw in another thread that you are here to chase away all her suiters. Seems she may have entraped you. Or yoou could ask Jean. 
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| Jan 24, 2006 @ 12:06 AM |
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Pete73052
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Pete maybe you should ask Waiting? I just saw in another thread that you are here to chase away all her suiters. Seems she may have entraped you.
Naw... We're soulmates... um... yeah, that's what we are. Entrapment involves trickery - Waiting is far too wonderful to resort to that.
Or yoou could ask Jean.
Um... I don't think whatever Jean's got going in is working too well. But thanks for the suggestion.
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| Jan 24, 2006 @ 12:10 AM |
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ruready4me2luvu
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Um... I don't think whatever Jean's got going in is working too well. But thanks for the suggestion.
What Jean's got going is about as good as what Beatrice got going
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| Jan 24, 2006 @ 12:12 AM |
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Pete73052
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Maybe cut from the same cloth. 
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| Jan 24, 2006 @ 12:14 AM |
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ruready4me2luvu
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| Jan 24, 2006 @ 12:39 AM |
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crackerchickie
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I think women should have the phobia of commitment. Why would we want to take care of an infantile male when we are capable of doing all things without the help of anyone? Since my divorce, I have had more money, more time, more respect and more confidence than I ever had (and I like the guy!).
Those men that are commitment phobic should realize that they will be picking up their own socks, cooking their own meals, and bitching to their cat for the rest of their lives.
Apologies to men who don't resemble my ex... 
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| Jan 24, 2006 @ 5:36 AM |
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beatriceistheone
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RU:
I've never had to spread my legs for a living always had to work. Nothing like what the starter of this thread mentioned. That is something you are probably a pro at.
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| Jan 24, 2006 @ 8:17 AM |
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waiting41
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Pete and Ready........behave. There is no need for that here.
Love ya both, but, puleeeezzzzz!!!!!
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| Jan 24, 2006 @ 8:28 AM |
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TiNkErGrRrRrR
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Pete and Ready........behave. There is no need for that here.
Love ya both, but, puleeeezzzzz
Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment 
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| Jan 24, 2006 @ 8:51 AM |
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Pete73052
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Bill started it... 
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| Jan 24, 2006 @ 8:56 AM |
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waiting41
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God, I hate it when these men cry.
Alright honey come here 
Now, Waiting isn't buying that excuse, but, I will let you get away with it this time due to the nice compliment you gave me in this thread.
 
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| Jan 24, 2006 @ 9:02 AM |
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Pete73052
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Somebody had to... um... stand up for you...
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| Jan 24, 2006 @ 9:06 AM |
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waiting41
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Awwwww............  .........I.........I......... 
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| Jan 24, 2006 @ 9:07 AM |
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Thor1960303
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Honey, did you just step out of my parents generation? Is this even still the case anymore? I certainly hope people aren't raising daughters this way in today's society.
Excuse me, but, did you say "entrapment techniques"? You can't actually be serious with this one.
Btw, I know females who also have major commitment phobias. I know one who even has dating phobia
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Up to a point,these things still go on,it's been imgrained in the generations and only really started to change around WW 2.It's still a part of American culture,especially if you look at the what advertizers {email address removed}'s why I refer to it as a "myth".Entrapment techniques are still taught as is witnessed by the fact that the Madonna/whore complex still thrives.I still hear about techniques to find a "good man" in college and I thought that had long since gone the way of the buffalo.It's not going away because many find it offensive.It will be reorganized and made more palatable to a PC society,but the structure will still be there.
There are exceptions to every rule and I know plenty of women (and men) who don't fit it myself.Yet in my circles I still see more men than women who don't want to commit and more women STILL complaining about that.
If there is any restructuring of male and female roles,the significant shifts happen for economic reasons moreso than anything else.The fact that it now takes two incomes to support a household as opposed to one is the biggest factor in my opinion.
Waiting,there was an article mentioned about much of this in either Time or Newsweek,and it mentioned just what you're talking about.The people afraid not only to commit to relationship,but other aspects of life as well.They called such people "Twixters",a generation between late 20's to early 30's who were forever trying to decide what they wanted out of life and so never married,were always still in school and not buying houses and settling into something.
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