| Dec 29, 2007 @ 10:02 AM |
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minky
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I was aware of the use of medical marijuana in this state, but feel that it could very
easily abused (in the case of my son and his wife). 
I would welcome any opinions on this subject from non users living in Oregon.
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| Dec 29, 2007 @ 3:20 PM |
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SallyF
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Eugene is a very 'different' city from the rest of the state; guess we should have warned you.
But, did you get past the 'funny' air and enjoy your visit with your son? Did it snow there? We had some thick, fluffy flakes on Christmas Day---no accumulation.
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| Dec 29, 2007 @ 5:12 PM |
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thegoodideaman
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People who have Allowed ThemSelves to be BrainWashed
into Believing that Marijuana is Somehow a Worse Drug than Alcohol...
are just Deceiving ThemSelves...
There are a lot of Myths out there about Marijuana...
for instance Marijuana is the "Gateway Drug"
if anything Alcohol is the "Gateway Drug"
I never met anyone who did drugs of any kind,
that didn't start off by drinking...
most people who smoke "the weed" don't go on to smoke Crack...
I'm not saying that Marijuana is good for you...
just that it's no worse than Alcohol...
ok, [/EndRant]
more info
P.S.
Alcohol causes more Deaths in America every year than Terrorism,
why isn't there a Multi Billion Dollar War Against it... 
(the same could be said for Cigarettes)...
aw, never mind,
I'm just kidding...
[Edited on 12/29/2007 5:24 PM]
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| Dec 30, 2007 @ 12:43 AM |
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Redwicket
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Do you really think that Oregon is the Only state where people smoke Pot??? 
I would much rather meet another driver on the road who had been smoking than one
that had been drinking...
It seems to me that your son and his wife should have had more respect for you than to
do something around you that might make you uncomfortable...you were their guest,
were you not???
Alcohol is legal because the government can tax it...Hmmm, anything can be made legal
in this country if Money can be made! 
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| Dec 30, 2007 @ 8:56 AM |
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minky
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I am aware that there are 13 states that have legalized medical marijuana.
My question was regarding opinions on abuse of this drug,
I was asking non users
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| Dec 30, 2007 @ 12:24 PM |
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thegoodideaman
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I feel the same way about the abuse of marijuana
as I do about the Abuse of any other drug, Including Alcohol...
(I am a non user)...
the "powers that be" trust my judgment when it comes to Alcohol...
(which I don't use anymore)
However,
evidently I can't be trusted to make that same decision about marijuana
I resent the governments interference in this matter,
this should be my decision to make...
it should be for sale at the 7-11
and subject to the exact same laws and taxes as Cigarettes and Alcohol...
I believe marijuana should be Legalized,
or Alcohol should be outlawed...
one is NOT better or Worse than the other...
in the 1920's people who had a beer where criminals,
the same as the person who smokes a joint today...
was it wrong to drink a beer in 1932,
and Fine to drink a beer in 1933?
if your son is competent to make his own decisions regarding Alcohol,
then he is competent to make his own decisions about marijuana?
he should abuse neither,
and he wouldn't be any worse off if he used neither...
I'm not trying to be offensive,
you said you where looking for the opinions of
non users, regarding the Use of this Drug...
some of us none users don't have a problem with marijuana,
(recreational, or medical)...
lol,
I was just kidding,
what I meant to say was...
Use of marijuana is evil, and Reprehensible,
(Alcohol is fine because it's not a drug)
and he should do what his Mother tells him... 
I believe that is the answer you're looking for,
have a Wonderful and safe NewYear... 
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| Dec 30, 2007 @ 9:29 PM |
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Redwicket
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I am also a Non User...If you didn't want to hear what people in Oregon thought, then
you shouldn't have asked.
I do for the record drink...in moderation, as with Everything in Life Balance is the key.
I do Not however Drive for any reason if I am drinking...The Main Reason that I didn't
make the get together in Eugene, I Don't drink and drive...Do you Minky??? In how
many states is that Legal???
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| Dec 30, 2007 @ 11:45 PM |
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Journeyhawk
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I do not use any drugs. I think that Medical Marijuana is just an excuse to legalize and / or have an excuse to use the drug. My ex-husband used to smoke it. I thought he quit. He didn't. He just used to sneak behind my back. When I smelled it and asked him about it, he lied. After a while, I thought I was losing my mind. I KNOW what the stuff smells like ! Finally, he came "clean" and told me he was using it because he was having trouble sleeping. He was Bipolar and was on plenty of other medication to help him with his disorder. It didn't do much good. He said he was going to try and apply to get a card for some medical marijuana. I don't know whether he did or not. The last time I spoke with him, he was hooked on Meth. You can take it from there. I think it is just a legal excuse for users to use it legally.
When I used to nurse, sometimes I would have to give marijuana pills to people who had brain tumors. The marijuana helped to raise the threshold of pain and also appeared to help calm the seizures that this lady had.
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| Dec 31, 2007 @ 12:56 AM |
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Redwicket
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A good friend of mine passed away last year, she had battled cancer for years having
had 6 major bouts where it appeared in different places on her body. She didn't use
Marijuana until the last few years, but let me tell you after such a prolonged fight it
really helped her and eased her way...the chemo is very hard on a body. Anyone who
thinks that Marijuana is not a medicinal plant does not know of what they speak.
Get real people...ANYTHING can be abused! The fault is not in the plant, it is in the
person who abuses it. That's like blaming french fries for someone being obese. It
has been proven that a person with an addictive personality will find something to
become addicted to...
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| Dec 31, 2007 @ 1:15 AM |
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Journeyhawk
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I wholeheartedly agree with you Redwicket. My ex-husband had a very addictive personality. He used a lot of drugs and would also drink alcohol with his prescribed medications. I tried to warn him about doing this. He did not give a rat's behind what I said. It is a real shame. You cannot talk to these people! If you try to talk or reason with them, you are dealing with the "drug of choice" and NOT the person.
As I understand it, an otherwise healthy person who uses marijuana will have significant memory loss after prolonged use of the drug. ... Yes! I said drug! My ex used to tell me that it was NOT a drug. He had one of the biggest cases of denial that I ever saw! When I was in school, I saw pictures of the brain after prolonged use of marijuana. There were big holes eaten in it. It was the same for people who use crack, Meth, etc.
It is the person with the addiction problem to make the choice of whether or not to become un-addicted. The drugs are so powerful now-a-days that sometimes, the user does not have the luxury of that choice. The drugs literally RULE them and eventually kill them.
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| Dec 31, 2007 @ 4:57 AM |
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minky
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Why the attack people? Read what I asked, I am just saying an uncontrolled drug
has more potentionial for abuse in the hands of people with an addictive nature.
Yes alcohol abuse is bad, but it is also controlled.
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| Dec 31, 2007 @ 10:06 AM |
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Journeyhawk
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I was just speaking of my life experiences and knowledge. If you don't like what I said than delete it. It is no sweat off my back.
I am sorry I wasted your time.
I can see that I did ! 
When you have to deal with people who have an addiction to drugs, alcohol, or whatever, it is hard to stay neutral when a question is asked concerning this. The next time, I will know that this is a loaded question and not even bother to comment. It is a smarter choice to do on here, anyway.
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| Dec 31, 2007 @ 3:10 PM |
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Redwicket
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JourneyHawk, don’t let someone’s thin skin keep you from voicing your thoughts.
In this country we have Free Speech and it is worthwhile to have your voice heard.
Minky, I think that you like perhaps other people come to Oregon and think that
Oregonians don’t think the issues through before we vote in a law…like our Right
To Die Law, and No Sales Taxes. You think that because we support the Medical
Marijuana Law that we are all hippies and drug users, lax people without a brain.
We just don’t believe in throwing the baby out with the bath water here…
Pot is used in states that do Not have a Medical Marijuana Law, and Oregon admitting
that there is a viable use Medically for it has nothing to do with the abuse of it.
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| Dec 31, 2007 @ 3:25 PM |
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Lovinheart445
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.I have to agree with Journeyhawk.. There are many factors involved with the use of mariguana.. First off it is addictive, I myself have only used the drug,,,Yes drug!..when I lived in the San Fransico bay area back in the mid 1960.
Since that time I have had co-workers that I worked with daily, and have a scar on my left bisept that still shows because of his use. The scar was from a 6 foot band saw that was dropped on me as I was changing my saw for the says work. I confronted him after the incident, and he admitted to me it was because of his mariguanna use before he came to work. Instead of confronting him in a hostal matter, I told him he should get help, and he did. Here are some facts...
Effects on the Brain
Scientists have learned a great deal about how THC acts in the brain to produce its many effects. When someone smokes marijuana, THC rapidly passes from the lungs into the bloodstream, which carries the chemical to organs throughout the body, including the brain.
In the brain, THC connects to specific sites called cannabinoid receptors on nerve cells and influences the activity of those cells. Some brain areas have many cannabinoid receptors; others have few or none. Many cannabinoid receptors are found in the parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thought, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement4.
The short-term effects of marijuana can include problems with memory and learning; distorted perception; difficulty in thinking and problem solving; loss of coordination; and increased heart rate. Research findings for long-term marijuana abuse indicate some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term abuse of other major drugs. For example, cannabinoid (THC or synthetic forms of THC) withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system5 and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine6. Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.
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| Dec 31, 2007 @ 4:33 PM |
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Journeyhawk
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Thank you for your support in this issue, Redwicket and Lovinheart445. Lovin, I am sorry to hear about your injury as a result of a drug-intoxicated worker. It is sad, but I actually worked in a nursing home here in Oregon where one of the employees went to work high everyday. That was pretty sickening ! That place was a dump and is closed down now, thank goodness.
I suppose there is a rhyme and / or reason for the legalization of marijuana in this state. I do not go along with it, though, because I think it just allows the drug to be used under "legal" pretenses.
I agree with Redwicket's statement: Pot is used in states that do Not have a Medical Marijuana Law, and Oregon admitting
that there is a viable use Medically for it has nothing to do with the abuse of it. As for the right to die law, I don't necessarily agree with this law either, but then I have not had to "walk in the other person's shoes" and deal with a terminal illness and a life of nothing but pain. Maybe if the situation arose, I would think differently.
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| Dec 31, 2007 @ 5:48 PM |
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tastyface
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Very divisive issue, for sure. No doubt many of my g-g-generation may recall 'experimenting' with herb in their distant pasts.
Hopefully, those very same readers will still have some short-term memory remaining.
Coincidentally, last night's "60 Minutes" had a segment on this very topic.
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| Dec 31, 2007 @ 5:57 PM |
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tastyface
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FYI: for those of you interested in viewing that 60 Minutes segment, here's a link: http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml
It's titled, "Store Front Pot", running time is 13 minutes, 13 seconds. A direct link is below:
(http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3657684n&channel=/sections/60minutes/videoplayer3415.shtml}
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| Dec 31, 2007 @ 7:53 PM |
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Journeyhawk
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Thank you for the video link. You are right. This will always be a hotly debated and divisive issue. I don't feel like arguing about it. People are going to do what they want to do anyway. If anyone is that concerned about the pros and Cons of the Medical Marijuana issue, they should do their own research and / or get involved with their own local government agencies instead of paying mind to what is going on in another state that they aren't even a resident of. What good does that do, anyway? ... Nothing!
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| Jan 1, 2008 @ 1:33 AM |
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Redwicket
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Here, Here JourneyHawk! What you said!!!
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| Jan 1, 2008 @ 5:54 PM |
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SallyF
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I can understand why a mother might be disturbed at discovering (or fearing) that her kids are 'abusers', or that at least that possibility is there. It has little to do with what state of the US you are in, or the laws regarding use and possession of substances. Having grown up listening to stories of Prohibition, it simply does not work.
Minky, I'm not thinking that any of us really understand your question. Sorry if we got on the defensive; it's a 'button' for many.
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