| Mar 27, 2007 @ 7:23 PM |
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Godless
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I'm taking a chance here. Has anyone been in Texas long enough to remember grammar, middle, and highschool in Texas? What was your experience with the adults that run the school? Did your school rule the kids with fear and intimidation of biblical proportions?
While I'm at it, have the districts always been local control and would you ever like to see them become accountable to an authority less ignorant than the voters that put the school board in place?
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| Mar 27, 2007 @ 8:16 PM |
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TRAVIS1946
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When I was in school, in the 50's and 60's, public schools taught the real thing, not the liberal, new age garbage they do now. We had good dicipline and rarely got out of line. Often, the toughest teachers were the most highly respected and loved. They practiced Tough Love. Nowadays, teachers are saddled by incompetent administrators and useless psycho-babble. We knew about drugs, but nobody knew anyone who used them. Those who did use drugs in those days, are now liberal professors and politicians and those who would tear down this great country.
When my kids were in school, I could see the influence of the far left. Fortunately, my teachings seemed to take. Both are good patriotic Americans in spite of the modern schools. One is a Veteran.
The only demonstration I witnessed in college was one against the dismissal of a popular professor. Anti-war demonstrations were unheard of in my town, San Angelo. We were all afraid of the war but were willing to serve if called. Back then, most of the students were patriots much like the best of the best serving in our Military now. I am in awe of our young Warriors.
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| Mar 27, 2007 @ 9:39 PM |
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mankaikov
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schools, are fine, i graduated last year, and i'm at UTA now, it's all fine. just now about the drug issue, it's so big, that the drugs from yesterday are the building blocks of today's economy
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| Mar 27, 2007 @ 10:19 PM |
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palehorse
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I have to disagree that the schools are fine.
That being said, back to the original question, when I was going to school there was indeed a fear factor with teachers. That fear factor broke down into a heavy respect when I realized that my fears were unfounded if I followed the rules. They dissolved even further in highschool when I started to notice that what we were facing in school was nothing compared to real life and as hard and "mean" as the teachers were, they were teaching life-lessons side by side with curriculum of the state.
BTW, I have yet to see a single student from my class ever gripe bitch or moan about undue punishments (yes, we were paddled for punishment) in school. Personally, the 2 times I was paddled made a lasting impression upon me to follow the rules, and accept responsibility for my actions.
Alright, soapbox time now.....the kids in todays schools would bennefit sooo much from corporal punishment it's astounding! One of the students in my math class cursed at a teacher once.....5 swats. He didn't do it again that year.
Kids need to know real limits & know there are real concequences for crossing those limits.
On to part two of the original question....I believe our school systems should not me "Independant" and should all be run by the state exceptions being private schools. Florida is a great example of this type school system.
As for the schools being fime, there is nothing right about the way disruptive students are handled in todays system at all. Granted the base problem is that they have crappy parents 99 percent of the time, but that atill does not excuse the current system of placing teachers and students both at risk from violent & unruley
kids by letting them attend "regular schools".
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| Mar 28, 2007 @ 12:54 PM |
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Godless
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Wow, Palehorse, you are the first real Texan I've ever seen say that schools would benefit from being state run. Finally, someone that understands.
I'm still trying to figure out why corporal punishment is such a good idea though. I think I've spanked or smacked all three of my kids a total of 3 times each in their entire lives, and that's probably a generous estimation. Kid one is now a veteran from the army, stands on his own two feet, was a prankster in his teens, and generally a very respectful and caring person. Kid number 2 was all kinds of batshit crazy growing up. It didn't matter what the consequences to things were, he was going to do what he was going to do. He finally straitened up when the ultimate consequence of turning 18 rolled around and the cops couldn't make me keep him anymore.
Left with kid number 3, the only kid I've ever had in Texas schools, I'm dumbfounded. No kid is perfect, but she's about as close as they come in terms of respect and following rules. Never got in one ounce of trouble in previous schools, but gets detention 3 times a week at this school and they say that's not a lot!!! I'm just wondering what "a lot" is. I think yelling at kids for 10 minutes about how they need to be quiet or giving detention for walking into the class when the bell is ringing is just going overboard. My daughter even asked one of the teachers that literally passes out detentions like candy, why he gives them out so much. His response, "It's a good stress reliever."
My point is, there is just no room in these schools for kids to be kids... no breaks, no free time (even adults get breaks at work and can go to the bathroom when they need to without consequences) and all they can think about is punishing them all of the time. For stupid shit. I don't see why they don't save this kind of punishment for children who actually cause trouble.
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| Mar 28, 2007 @ 6:12 PM |
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palehorse
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"I'm still trying to figure out why corporal punishment is such a good idea though. I think I've spanked or smacked all three of my kids a total of 3 times each in their entire lives..."
Thats about all I've had to spank my daughter as well. She understands actions & consequences. No, it doesn't always have to be corporal, but pertaining to your statement,"My point is, there is just no room in these schools for kids to be kids... no breaks, no free time (even adults get breaks at work and can go to the bathroom when they need to without consequences) and all they can think about is punishing them all of the time. For stupid shit. I don't see why they don't save this kind of punishment for children who actually cause trouble.", the reason they don't have the time anymore is because they are lagged down so much by mis-behavior, they cannot achieve the required studies anymore in the alloted amount of time.
Like I said earlier, real punishments for real disruptions most often does work....the schools can no longer do that.
No dissrespect by any means, but have _you_ talked to the tacher to find out what the issues are with your daughter getting sent to detention? There may be more to the story....thee often is.
Best wishes to you & sorry you had to move into the "half a year of hell" state! LOL!
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| Mar 28, 2007 @ 9:02 PM |
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Godless
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LOL... it's not half a year of hell. I actually like the weather here, except when it's cold.
To answer your question, yes. I've talked to them several times and she does deserve some of the detentions she gets. Most of the problem is that she only has 4½ minutes between classes, can't carry a backpack and has to make trips to her locker which is often on the other side of the campus from her class... and, of course, she has to use the restroom sometimes and THAT'S a huge nono.
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| Mar 28, 2007 @ 9:45 PM |
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palehorse
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Then what I might consider doing is go up to the school one day, use your daughters schedule with a stop-watch, walk moderately & time yourself. If the times are horrendously short, schedule a meeting with either the tacher (of the long path) or vice principal about getting a little lee-way on her time.
Just a thought.
You like the weather eh?? Damn! I've almost always hated summer heat here.
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| Mar 29, 2007 @ 12:27 AM |
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redbronze
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I am angry at this trashing of teachers...
Ok first of all I am a teacher and have been for the last two years.. What I see that is the problem with stuff here is too many children having children and parents that think the child they gave birth to is the next Jesus or some kind of saint.. The kids that cause disruptions are usually the same kids then there are the one's who do what they are supposed to and are willing to learn in an environment that many times is tough for the teacher to even talk much less try to teach.. I know I had a few classes like this today.. The kids want instant gratification, and I mean instant.. Then there are the kids who are to impaired by the drug abuse that the mother did when pregnant that presents a different set of problems.. Its all bull shit.. Parents need to treat teachers with a little more respect.. Most of us have a Masters and are continuously going to classes and workshops to teach little Jonny or Juannie in a constructive way..
Many kids have no desire to learn.. They have no desire to do crap but jack around with their friends and ignore the professionals that are there..
And I am the Art teacher where things are supposed to be fun and in a more relaxed atmosphere..Today I had to have the kids pull out textbooks and do definitions because they could not quit jacking with each other when I was teaching or actually attempting to teach a lesson.. The next year I teach I am going to come off as a hard ass... I am going to put the little shits through the paces because what I am doing right now which is student directed learning is not working because they do not want to learn anything they just want to talk and be stupid...
The other thing that is a problem is the hypersexualization that culture has put out there I have never sen so many horny, trash talking kids that only want to talk about and many times draw sexual happenings this as well as the gangsta shit.. throwing the ghetto trash talk and the gang signs.. Even the good kids succumb to this and they sit in their seats thinking that they are so cool that they are not learning with their pants hanging off their asses like the bitch they will be when they go to the same prison as momma and daddy..
And here you sit whining that it is the teachers fault.. f*** that shit.. It happens in the house.. If there is not a bit of respect there for anything then how is it going to happen in my classroom.. When teachers are treated like they are the problem of it all and this my friend is so bogus that I want to puke, it is no wonder that attrition rates for new teachers is about 3 years this is down to the 5 years it used to be.. And I am talking burned out totally teachers in 3 years.. Ones who came into the classroom with ideas and optimistic hopes that they are making a difference.. Only to be shit on by administrators, parents and the kids themselves..
I say f*** you if you do not like education come in the classroom yourself and teach.. Then you would know the crappy shit we have to do and deal with every day and not get paid enough to do it..
As for corporal punishment that doesn't work either I know kids who got paddled every day and still brought their knives and shit to school.. And all the wahhh wahhh shit I had a kid bring a knife to school and nothing happened to him he got no reprimands or nothing I was the one called on the carpet because I had the little f***er empty his pockets in my partner teacher's classroom.. The best thing that happened that year was just a couple of days after he laughed at me he called one of the girls the N word and she beat the crap out of him.. We all hugged her and shook her hand and thanked her...
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| Mar 29, 2007 @ 9:04 PM |
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scissorxdisco
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oh wow, im not even going to touch that last post.
But I can tell you my experiences.
I graduated from a houston area High School last year, and It wasnt THAT bad, really.
Im sure that there are better schools out there, but i enjoyed my stay in the texas educational system, for the most part. As far as teachers. I did come in contact with a couple that seemed a little to power happy. That liked to oppress(although, im not sure I could have handled the kids that they had any better). BUT, i had some teachers that I am still friends with. :]
The one thing that did get old was the OVERBEARING security presense. We went through metal detectors, had our backpacks searched, and werent allowed to have cellphones or any other electronic devices.....I understood that they were trying to protect us, but with the ease that somethng...like, say my mp3 player could be snuck in, it seemed uneccesary.
im not sure if that was any sort of help, but I tried. :]
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| Mar 31, 2007 @ 11:33 AM |
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Godless
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Redbronze,
I'm not totally without empathy for the teachers and professionals here. I know, for a fact, that i couldn't be a teacher of teens in today's world... which is why I am not a teacher. However, I would expect anyone that goes into the teaching profession would be able to handle the kids today beyond thinking they are little shits. Just my perspective.
I'm not whining either, I'm trying to get an idea of WHY the schools are so MEAN to children here. I can only come to the conclusion, especially given your lengthy post, that it has to do with the southern culture. The one that says children are to be seen and not heard, do what I say and not as I do. Children are simply not thought of as human beings at all in this school.
There also seems to be some distorted definition of respect in your view and the view of administrators. Respect should be earned with rapport, not through fear and intimidation, or by the mere fact that you are educated or older than the children you are teaching. It is attitudes such as yours that make me post something like this. You lump all children together as a bunch of horny little freaks with horrible parents who can do nothing right.... worse yet, everything they do is wrong. It's sad, to say the very least.
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| Mar 31, 2007 @ 2:16 PM |
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redbronze
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OK I am breaking down what you said and hopefully you can understand me more.. There is a saying that one needs to walk a mile in another's shoes to understand that person... This my friend is what I think that many should do.. Be a part of the solution and not throw stones before you know exactly what it is your throwing stones at..
One thing I must make clear even those who are shits and they know they are, are usually my biggest fans, my students love me, a few wish they could come live with me because I am a caring person who also happens not to put up with their bullshit. I am the Mom many wish they had at home. How I know this because they tell me.. It is also in their eyes..
BTW in Lubbock I do not know about other places but I am sure they are similar.. Poverty is over 57% and rising, (I got this figure from a top administrator here in Lubbock who came to talk to us last week) just another factor, along with other factors that I address below in what is wrong with parents and children that teachers are trying to reach. There are free classes offered to parents that are empty because parents do not want to take part in education even though this could help them help their child.. Texas Tech is now offering FREE tuition to students who graduate and are incoming freshmen who's parents make less that 35 or 40 k a year.. How many will take this is to be seen, as many kids have no respect for the learning process..
It is funny also that in some districts teachers make below poverty wages.. This only happens in the teaching profession that with a Bachelors and Masters degree many teachers make less than the garbage man makes.. But this is a whole other blog...
I'm not totally without empathy for the teachers and professionals here. I know, for a fact, that i couldn't be a teacher of teens in today's world... which is why I am not a teacher .
Then you should try and volunteer for a day a week or even a couple of hours in your child's school so you can see what teachers and the other professionals do to manage the kids of today.. If you have answers to the burning questions of why we are so "mean" we would all be happy to listen and you may get an award for the solution of this problem.. Until this time you are another flapping mouth that complains but does nothing to help solve problems..
However, I would expect anyone that goes into the teaching profession would be able to handle the kids today beyond thinking they are little shits. Just my perspective.
I do not think all kids are little shit just some of them are... I can also say many parents of said shits are bigger shits themselves..
I'm not whining either, I'm trying to get an idea of WHY the schools are so MEAN to children here.
You are whining.... We are not mean, for the most part many of today's teachers are bending over backwards to work towards making students successful.. we actually have our job on the line if we are mean, we also have our job on the line when students do not care about the standardized tests that we are Federally and State mandated to give and the kids just mark in bubbles however just to get through the test and then fail said test. The kid is not held responsible nor the parent, we are... Yes, we get fired because of test scores... Even if the student is making straight A's in the classroom. You have no idea what we have to deal with daily...
I can only come to the conclusion, especially given your lengthy post, that it has to do with the southern culture.
This problem with students is nation wide you just have to look..
The one that says children are to be seen and not heard, do what I say and not as I do.
I think this can happen with some teachers but the majority of us are not of this ilk.. But is you want someone to blame for the teaching methods that we have to use, you can thank the US and state governments for this one especially the beloved Sir Bush as he is the one who mandated the the scripts that teachers read from nowadays and if you think this is fun for teachers you are sadly mistaken.. As of now teachers are all using the same book to read from on a daily basis and each teacher is on the same page of the script on the same day.. Teachers are treated as morons by the government and by you also..
Children are simply not thought of as human beings at all in this school.
Again this is an untruth.. In elementary schools we feed your child breakfast in the classroom first thing because so many parents do not get up and make their child breakfast.. We also serve them lunch something else many parents do not provide either money or make lunch for their kid. We also tend to a lot of things that should be taken care of by parents such as teaching social skills and how to get along in a group, we teach them how to hold a pair of scissors and to cut, We teach them how to wash their hands, and how to speak, along with a lot of other things that they should know before walking onto the classroom.. We now even teach kids as young as 3 and start them into school because parents do not take care of the kids anymore many parents being below the poverty line.. Then there is daycare which is another form of the school system that allows parents to work many time just to pay for daycare..
Crazy ...
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| Mar 31, 2007 @ 2:28 PM |
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redbronze
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There also seems to be some distorted definition of respect in your view and the view of administrators.
How is this.. If I worked in any other profession and I was in management and you as a worker told me to f*** off because I asked you to do something within your contract you would be fired.. If you stabbed a co-worker with something or became volatile and threw everything off the shelves and scattered work all over the work place how long would you keep your job?
There are many times I have not agreed with my administrators.. One is where there I talked about in my previous blog.. There is a ZERO tolerance policy on bringing knives to school.. The kid called the administrator an explicative and threatened said administrator.. This kid should have been expelled as most kids would have been but this did not happen.. This kid has an explosive disorder aggravated by parents who have no control of him or his behavior... So this kid got a free pass until he called that poor girl who is a good student the N word.. She could also have been kicked out of school for fighting and in her case punishment was 3 days of in school suspension.. He did get expelled by using a racial explicative..
Another case that I disagreed with administrators was a girl that was getting molested in the hallway by a football player and a few of his buddies because she got friendly one time with the football player.. Nothing was being done to curb the behavior and I went to the coaches and asked them to back the kid up who was molesting the girl.. I got into trouble again but I backed my student up.. The molesting stopped but her home life was so bad and she so out of control that I am not sure what it accomplished..
Also on the paddling front that someone talked about.. Paddling is not working either I have seen kids take swats only to come back the next week and the next week and the next.... Nothing was gained by swats these kids are ones that kick each other in to be part of the gang so physical punishment does not work. confinement does not work, nor does a kinder gentler talking to them work, nor does counseling... Many of these types of kids are working on their prison degree.. It is what they grew up with and where they are going.. Many of their parents were kids themselves when these kids were born and are in prison themselves. Only kids with parents that are present and there all the time save their kids from being kicked in and sometimes even this does not work.. I know a doctor's kid who is part of the ghetto mentality and he has no reason to be but his parents are never home nor are they in his life.. Sad but poverty is not always a factor..
Respect should be earned with rapport, not through fear and intimidation, or by the mere fact that you are educated or older than the children you are teaching.
HA HA HA HA I tried this form of respect the rapport thing it does not always work.. It only takes one kid to mess up an entire classroom.. It is frustrating when you ask for quiet when giving instructions only to have the kids laugh it off and continue to talk and in some cases ignore and ridicule the lesson and when it gets real bad the students ridicule you.. This is when I call in help and start to send kids out to SOS which sometimes is bogas as well but it does get the kid out of your classroom.. In no other profession does this happen but in today's schools.. Even my daughter who works a a waitress can have people who give her a hard time thrown out of the place she works..
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| Mar 31, 2007 @ 2:29 PM |
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redbronze
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It is attitudes such as yours that make me post something like this. You lump all children together as a bunch of horny little freaks with horrible parents who can do nothing right.... worse yet, everything they do is wrong. It's sad, to say the very least.
I did not lump all kids in one place I said that the kids with behavior problems overrun the one's who do not.. This in turn corrupts the kids who usually act well, for when they see what they can get away with because of the disruptive kids that we many times have to basket behavior for and because of parental lawsuits and such they many times get disruptive also.. It is a vicious cycle one that I do not agree with and one I am not sure how to fix as what is learned in college and one of my Masters is in Social Justice and what we are able to do in the classroom because of ever changing laws is vastly different..
Case study.. I have one kid that I have seen turn from a nice hardworking kid who's parents have just gotten a divorce into a kid that is now slothful and sits writing gang signs all over his papers.. He does not work and is now too cool to be respectful.. He was very respectful when I first met him he said yes mam and was perhaps one of the politest kids I know.. Now he is someone different.. Is it my and my fellow teachers fault that he now has a crappy home life? That his parents divorce is our fault also? That he now has little supervision after school so that he is now acquainted with the gang and drug culture.. I like how everything is blamed on teachers for the ills of the world... It is his parents responsibility to take care of this child's needs above their own no matter how much pain they are in..
I am not saying that all teachers are saints. I also went to Texas schools dropped out in 10th grade twice, I had absent parents like many of my friends from a working class, working poor neighborhood like many that I now teach. I am one of a handful who survived many who had absent parents are dead or as good as..
I have brought my children through Texas schools.. And there have been some Holy Rollers that would have given my children a ride if I have not gone and been a part of their school..(try being Pagan in the Bible Belt) I am known by name by all of the administrators and many of the high school teachers and all of the teachers in grade and middle school.. Why because I was there.. I made it a point to be there and be part of solutions instead of problems in their school lives.. I took on classes and taught art when there was no art teacher, I volunteered to help where ever I could and I still do.. Everyone welcomes me when I come into the school and the kids love me also.. I was not a stay at home Mom, I was going to school full time and working a part time job and even when getting my Masters I was still a part of the school.. Even now that I am working full time as a teacher myself I find time to interact with my daughter's teachers and am a part of the fine world that we all live in..
BTW both of my children raised by a sole parent went to multi-ethnic title one schools that have gang. poverty, parents in prison, kids having kids, and drug problems so they did not go to all white schools nor were they sheltered away from the things that happen in many schools or better yet life in general.. Both graduated in the top half or in the top 20% of their class with over a 4.0 GPA one is at Tech the other has been accepted to UT Austin..
So if they could make it and make it well the reason is because I as the parent was there..
So my advise is if you think you can do a better job again is that get your arse off the computer and spend time in your child's school because IT IS YOUR RESPONCIBILITY TO SEE THAT YOUR AND OTHER'S CHILD/REN GET AN EDUCATION....
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| Mar 31, 2007 @ 8:53 PM |
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Redbronze
You are obviously a very distraught woman who has let a few bad kids distort your thinking.
I was NOT talking about kids who are violent or disruptive. I was talking about kids who need to go to the bathroom and get punished for it. Kids who have absolutely zero break during the day except a 25 minute lunch inside a cafeteria - they can't even get some fresh air. Kids who cannot carry backpacks in the hall and are expected to be able to get to their lockers and to another class with 1000 other children in the same stupid hall in 4½ minutes, or be punished. Kids who are finished with their work and sitting quietly so they can get punished for not working. Kids who grab a shoe from a boy who is beating the living crap out of a girl with it, only to get punished for taking his shoe. Kids who get sent to the office for correcting a science teacher who says dinosaurs were not around millions of years ago because the earth is only around 2500 years old. Kids who get detention for not spitting out gum they don't have. Kids who get their notes posted on a wall for everyone to see, and the teacher greets each new class by telling them that "oh, there's a new note from Johnny on the board if you want to read it before the bell."
I'm not talking about only teachers either. I'm talking about administrators who say that 3 detentions per week is not a lot. Administrators who "don't know" how to reach the school board or when the next meeting is. Administrators who say that the reason the discipline structure is the way it is, is because they couldn't get a waver for corporal punishment. Administrators who will never admit that a teacher walking around in a nylon bra and big pokey nipples is a distraction for the class. Administrators who will not look at any individual situation for what it is. Administrators who expect a 14 year old to raise her hand and explain to the teacher that she needs to use the restroom because she needs to change a pad, in front of the whole class, or get a detention for going to the bathroom. Kids who get another detention while serving ISS for refusing to buy milk when lactose intolerant.
Then you should try and volunteer for a day a week or even a couple of hours in your child's school so you can see what teachers and the other professionals do to manage the kids of today..
Please take note. I didn't like teens when I was a teen and I generally don't like them now. Why on earth would I want to submerge myself in them? Besides, I don't think this school, after my current campaign to oust the school board, would let me volunteer.
You are whining.... We are not mean, for the most part many of today's teachers are bending over backwards to work towards making students successful
I disagree. You are mean. Look at how you are lambasting me for daring to question your system. It's not the same level as with the kids, because you don't have any power over me, but the spirit is the same. You belittle and tell me how wrong I am. And, without an obvious reason staring at me, I can't figure out why you are so mean or why you think I'm wrong. You are addressing problems that are so far out there from the subject at hand that I can't even respond properly. You are defensive because you are unable to look in the mirror and realize how jaded you have become toward all children, instead of singling out the troublemakers.
I am NOT whining, I am questioning. I'm trying to figure out WHY you are so mean, and you have given me a few reasons that could translate into heavy frustration. I'm not a huge fan of No Child Left Behind either... don't blame me for that. I also think that Mr. Big Ears' test are an absolute pain in the ass.
How is this.. If I worked in any other profession and I was in management and you as a worker told me to f*** off because I asked you to do something within your contract you would be fired.. If you stabbed a co-worker with something or became volatile and threw everything off the shelves and scattered work all over the work place how long would you keep your job?
Again, there is nothing wrong with disciplining kids that are obviously violent, destructive, or completely disrespectful. But, I'm not going to stand for a teacher rolling her eyes at a kid who asks a question and say, "Great! California liberals are coming out of the woodwork." I cannot stand for a teacher who passes out detentions for walking into the class as the bell is ringing then gives a 10 minute discertation on how students waste time and how "y'all" need to settle down and obey.
On respect via rapport? HA HA HA HA I tried this form of respect the rapport thing it does not always work..
Were you expecting instant gratification? Kids who have been treated like shit for so long are not going to respond right away. We only need look at pavlov's dogs to know that behavior and response are learned and become habit. Even an abused dog can take years to overcome its fear of people.
So my advise is if you think you can do a better job again is that get your arse off the computer and spend time in your child's school because IT IS YOUR RESPONCIBILITY TO SEE THAT YOUR AND OTHER'S CHILD/REN GET AN EDUCATION....
That's a cop out. I willingly admit my limitations. I haven't got the patience to be a teacher or teacher's aid. That is the EXACT reason I
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| Mar 31, 2007 @ 11:17 PM |
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palehorse
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So Godless,...I'm guessing that you didn't like my idea about making a case and bringing it to the schools attention?
Thinking back on highschool,....I only visited my locker 4 times a day:
1- In the morning to get the books I needed till lunch.
2- Right before lunch drop-off.
3-Right before afternoon classes.
4-Book swap-out for homework before leaving for home.
Maybe just some better logistic planning would work. Ah,..who knows.
No solutions work if they are never tried.
Good Luck!
~R
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| Mar 31, 2007 @ 11:24 PM |
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Oh,...and Red,....I really don't think her intent was to thrash teachers in general....but you make some very good points. My last ex worked with the trouble-makers. I'm suprized they didn't do jail-time,....but they all seem to magicly graduate.
The thing is, Godless has her points too. Some teachers sometimes do go overboard; sometimes justly so,..sometimes not. (count the sometimes in that one! My English teacher would scream!! LOL!)
I don't envy what you go through. Hang tough. You guys make a hell of a difference for many kids.
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 1:22 AM |
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No, Palehorse, I haven't put aside your advice. I have actually done this several times. I'm always very strait forward with them and speak in generics... but they piss me off so much with their verbage that I get all out of sorts and end up purposely insulting them. There is only so much belittlement I will stand for, and these people think I'm just an ignorant parent with a horrible child and won't admit any excess.
I have learned from Kay Hutchinson's office that the school district is supposed to provide information on the School Board on demand (by law) and that the School Board is (by law) required to advertise the next school board meeting at least 2 days prior to the meeting. Their only requirement is to post it on the door of where the meeting will be held.
As I said, I'm working on all of this. My main goal in this post was to get some perspective on the reasons for the attitudes that may help me understand the actions of teachers and administrators. All I'm getting is "kids are bad, that's why." And none of the kids I know are really bad kids.... not to say that they don't act up sometimes, all kids do - but their detentions are for the same stupid shit most of the time. What incentive does a kid have to be happy and well adjusted in school when they're just going to be punished anyway?
P.S. Logistics wouldn't be a problem if she were allowed to carry a book bag or backpack in the halls.
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| Jun 11, 2007 @ 5:53 PM |
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signme
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Thank goodness I work with the little kids. I get em waaaaaaaay before they decide they know more than the teachers. I have taught 1st grade and am currently teaching 2nd grade. Yes, there is a problem with some parents who do not seem to understand what parenting is all about. But there are plenty of other parents who do. Most kids are respectful and responsible to a degree. We had some great seniors working with our little ones this year. I think part of the problem is that we always hear about the bad things kids do and never about the good stuff. I know plenty of teenagers who I would classify as good kids.
One complaint I do have is all the testing these kids have to go through.And in our school, which is just 1st and 2nd grade, our behavior plan is not the greatest. But there are problems in all schools, some worse than others. You need to question and seek compromise.
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