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Thor1960303
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Then And Now
12-8-6
Scenario - Jack pulls into school parking lot with rifle in gun rack.
1953 - Vice Principal comes over, takes a look at Jack's rifle, goes to
his
car and gets his to show Jack.
2006 - School goes into lockdown, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail
and
never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized
students and teachers.
Scenario - Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.
1953 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up
best
friends. Nobody goes to jail, nobody arrested, nobody expelled.
2006 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark.
Charge
them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.
Scenario - Robbie won't be still in class, disrupts other students.
1953 - Robbie sent to office and given a good paddling by Principal.
Sits
still in class.
2006 - Robbie given huge doses of Ritalin and/or Prozac. Becomes a
zombie.
Almost
commits suicide. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey
has a
disability.
Scenario - Billy breaks a window in his father's car and his Dad gives
him a
whipping.
1953 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to
college,
and becomes a successful businessman.
2006 - Billy's Dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster
care
and joins a gang. Billy's sister is told by state psychologist that she
remembers being abused herself and their Dad goes to prison. Billy's
mom has
affair with psychologist.
Scenario - Mark gets a headache and takes some headache medicine to
school.
1953 - Mark shares headache medicine with Principal who has a headache
also.
2006 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations.
Car
searched for drugs and weapons.
Scenario: Mary turns up pregnant.
1953 - 5 High School Boys leave town. Mary does her senior year at a
special
school for expectant mothers.
2006 - Middle School Counselor calls Planned Parenthood, who notifies
the
ACLU. Mary is driven to the next state over and gets an abortion
without her
parent's consent or knowledge. Mary given condoms and told to be more
careful next time.
Scenario - Pedro fails high school English.
1953 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.
2006 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state democratic party. Newspaper
articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a
requirement
for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state
school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core
curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a
living
because he can't speak English.
Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the 4th of
July,
puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed.
1953 - Ants die.
2006 - BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with
domestic
terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home,
computers
confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never
allowed
to fly again.
Scenario - Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his
knee. He
is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary, hugs him to comfort him.
1953 - In a short time Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2006 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job.
She
faces 3 years in State Prison.
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| Dec 8, 2006 @ 8:07 PM |
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ash_is_unforgetable
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Alot changes over time, nothing is like it use to be.
*AsH
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| Dec 8, 2006 @ 8:10 PM |
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julia143
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It's sad isn't it?
How many more laws do we need? soon we'll need laws on how to eat.....oh wait ...they are doing that in NY..no trans fats.....
Ok...laws on when to breathe? How about a law as to when to have sex...we already have some on how to have sex.....
I think this country is getting a wee bit paranoid....???
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| Dec 8, 2006 @ 8:13 PM |
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TiNkErGrRrRrR
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I think this country is getting a wee bit paranoid....???
 You got that right... 
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| Dec 8, 2006 @ 8:15 PM |
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encorrgbl
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Perhaps we need a 70's revival?  
Peace!
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| Dec 8, 2006 @ 8:16 PM |
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julia143
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Perhaps we need a 70's revival?
I'm game.....I hate Bra's anyway......
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| Dec 8, 2006 @ 8:45 PM |
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DawolfLover
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I'm game.....I hate Bra's anyway......
Now that's a revolution i'd get behind.
Or maybe even in front of, jumping jacks ladies?
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| Dec 8, 2006 @ 8:48 PM |
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encorrgbl
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LOL Daw! 
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| Dec 8, 2006 @ 8:49 PM |
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TiNkErGrRrRrR
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I'm game.....I hate Bra's anyway......
 I never burnt mine...
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| Dec 8, 2006 @ 8:52 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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~sigh~ I sure did...damn, those were the days all right! (I got the original post in email too, but it said 1972 instead of 1953)
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| Dec 8, 2006 @ 9:24 PM |
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DawolfLover
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On a serious note, this sort of stuff really has come about because of paranoia.
It makes me sad, because there are things that happened way back in school that I know my future children will never experience. My 4th grade teacher did this thing on everyone's birthday where he would lay you over his knee next to the chalkboard, in front of the whole class. He would pretend to paddle your behind but hit the chalkboard instead. I know it sounds wierd but it made everyone feel a little more important because they were part of the crowd so to speak.
Teachers could spend extra time talking to students after class and not get accused of being a pervert. But when you see statistics that say 1 in 4 school age kids have been "touched inapporpriately" by someone working for the school, i.e. Janitor, teacher, etc.. So it's sort of hard to decide if we want to try and protect our kids from the bad ones or if we want them to experience school the same way we did. Sometimes the changes are necessary simply because they're warranted.
However, there are changes that aren't warranted. For example, parents suing school districts because their student didn't get picked for the footbal team or because they were outed as a bully.
Ugh, it would be nice if everything was as simple as it was back in the day. 
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| Dec 8, 2006 @ 9:32 PM |
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julia143
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I tried to burn my Bra's.....but seems there is some kind of law against that too. 
Dawolf.
That is so true. I listen to my Grandfather talk about the old times, and I get all sad that things have become so complex now. You can barely tell if the teacher is giving a pat on the shoulder or is sexually harassing you. It's so confusing to everyone.
I wonder if this had to do with everyone being so money-hungry and suing at the drop of a hat. Now we can't do anything, for fear of being sued.
Confusion....
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| Dec 8, 2006 @ 9:33 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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this sort of stuff really has come about because of paranoia.
You said it. And the trans fats, and the helmets, and the seat belts, and the smoking bans...and on and on and on. We're so busy trying to protect ourselves from ourselves, we're actually building little boxes for ourselves. Losing not only our freedoms (even if it is to make jackasses of ourselves) but taking away every bit of creativity, independence...everything that made this country what it is...or was. It's really sad.
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| Dec 8, 2006 @ 9:51 PM |
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DawolfLover
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Is it just me or has the attitude of kids and adults changed with the times? I remember people knew they would have to work to get the things they wanted in life. Now too many people think the "good life" and everything that comes with it is due to them. Any ideas why this changed?
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| Dec 8, 2006 @ 9:53 PM |
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encorrgbl
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I think a lot of times we're paying for other people's sins.
I walk into a convenience store and my every move is watched (cameras everywhere). I'm not a valued customer, I'm a possible thief. It's like this anywhere anymore...
I think that's part of overreacting, which we do very well.
I get so angry hearing about the teacher who's suspect when all they give is love, or affection to a student.
It happens once, and the news gets a hold of it, and EVERYONE overreacts. One teacher out of hundreds or thousands, who abused a child, and everyone is now suspect. Every teacher must now follow confusing but specific rules. Care for a child but don't touch them. Don't do this, don't do that, but make sure it gets done.
Reminds me of an office I've heard of where they won't train the employees to use their tools to do their jobs because this draws down on their productivity, so you have to find a way to train them without taking time to train them, while in the meantime they aren't as productive because they don't know how to use their tolls...
So we keep paying for the sins of others. We pay because people shoplifted, we pay because a police officer breaks the law (so now all police are bad), we pay because a teacher ran off with a 17 year old (and now all teachers cannot be trusted, and are looking to subvert children to their will)...
I agree with you too Heaven. We're now set to protect ourselves from ourselves because we're incapable of being responsible, or being expected to be responsible. We're helpless fools who need a guiding hand.
That and some of this motive about us being helpless is money motivated. If you're a lawyer who can make millions, why not sue when someone hurts themselves? (Ever notice all those danger stickers on everything now??) [I will agree though, some of that IS needed, but so much of that seems so overboard...]
I think if we were told to straighten up, and learn to deal with it, and judges were more apt to slap people for trying to pull a fast one on the legal system, and we as good customers, good citizens, and loving people, were not seen as the enemy, then life as we know it might be a helluva a lot simpler...
Sorry, pet peeve really....
Julia? The bra? Try microwaving it!  (Just make sure it doesn't have any metal in it!! lol!)
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| Dec 8, 2006 @ 9:53 PM |
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julia143
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Any ideas why this changed?
Oprah, Montel, Dr.Phil and all those other quacks have been filling our heads with crap like...you deserve, you are worth and you can do it, and respect yourself.
While these are all valid points, they have been taken to the extreme and mis-used. JMHO
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| Dec 8, 2006 @ 9:56 PM |
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encorrgbl
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Any ideas why this changed?
A change of expectations (as you say, they believe they deserve something and it should just be given to them, there is little pride or honor in earning something) with a mix of a changing beliefs touted by leaders of whatever group directing their memebers to think they are being victimized and are deserving of things when they've done nothing to deserve them (the leadership does this to gain power)...
Probably a bit babbly there on that, sorry!
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| Dec 8, 2006 @ 9:56 PM |
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spongebob777
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We can't have any "winners" in life because to have winners means that others might feel like "losers"
As far as I'm concerned, the losers need to try harder and stop trying to prevent anyone else from trying harder and winning.
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| Dec 8, 2006 @ 9:58 PM |
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encorrgbl
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We can't have any "winners" in life because to have winners means that others might feel like "losers"
Excellent point!
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| Dec 8, 2006 @ 10:10 PM |
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spongebob777
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We've become a T-ball nation.
When I was a kid we hurled a rock hard baseball at each other and swung a wooden club (bat) at it. Today we play T ball and instead of pitching it we hit it off a stationary tee. Generally there are no winners or losers, just fun.
Meanwhile we wonder why latin American players are beginning to outnumber American born players in the major league. The answer is simple...they still play baseball in Central and South America and they actually compete and have winners and losers.
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