| Oct 22, 2007 @ 8:54 AM |
Dog training with or with out a E collar??
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JeansToTight
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Training with a E Collar
alot like cliker training ??
this is a topic I ve long viewed as cruel ,mean and the lazy way of training ,,,,I wouldnt call it training,
like breaking a horse or training a horse,,,,these meatheds should be outlawed ...
The Electronic Collar,is a shock giving when the animal doesn't do what its told ,,,,some use it before they even ask a dog to do it ....
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| Oct 22, 2007 @ 8:59 AM |
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JeansToTight
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To begin with, we must understand that the e-collar, just like any tool, is simply that-a tool. It is not a fix-all, magic wand that will heal all ills. It is decidedly not a push-button remedy that gives an instantly trained dog. Like a scalpel to a surgeon, it is a tool that can be used with great precision and can produce wonderful results. But like that same scalpel, it can leave lasting scars and misused, can maim or disable an otherwise healthy dog. The consideration of when, or even if, to use an e-collar, requires consideration of the risks, side effects if you will, of the treatment as well as the possible benefits
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| Oct 22, 2007 @ 9:10 AM |
Dog training with or with out a E collar??
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JeansToTight
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There is more to a dog than come, sit, stay and down. I believe in educating the dog's owners on how to raise and develop the most mentally healthy, happy, relaxed, grounded and stable dog possible. A dog's behavior is based on two things; his/her raw materials (personality, breed, age, sex) and his/her environment. Your home and family are part of that environment. Owners who take on the responsibility of raising and developing their dog will have a happier, more content pet. Using a positive approach to motivate your dog with enthusiasm and respect — not fear, meeting your dog's basic needs, providing opportunities for social development, and maintaining a positive, clearly defined relationship with your dog will result in a well-behaved dog. Your dog might even become the happiest, most well-adjusted member of your family.
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| Oct 22, 2007 @ 10:27 AM |
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AnnGray
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If you never had a dog that was a compulsive barker, then you have no idea how useful and rewarding a shock collar is.
It is a training tool, not an accessory. I will hands down put a shock collar on a dog long before I elect to do a debarking surgery or surrender a dog to a pound - Think its cruel all you want, but it keeps dogs in loving homes and allows owners the security of knowing that they won’t be subjected to angry neighbors
or being faced with the choice of putting a dog in a kill shelter because it barks ALL OF THE TIME.
nuf said.
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| Oct 22, 2007 @ 10:31 AM |
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Loreli
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I don't know...I had 2 dogs (both Norwegian Elkhounds) that never barked much except to say I'm hungry, or at people getting close to my house. That was ok with me.
Sometimes they would bark playfully outside at other dogs, then I brought them in asap so as not to disturb the neighbors.
I think they learned to play through the fence without the noise that way.
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| Oct 22, 2007 @ 10:35 AM |
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chele1964
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I help to train dogs for obedience and hunt tests. I also work with my own. I have seen the e-collar and bark collars used appropriately as well as misused. I, from time to time, have to put a bark collar on my pit/lab mix, BUT it shouldn't be used because a person does not want to train a dog not to bark. All 3 of mine know "leave it" and "quiet". It is a matter of being consistent and remembering that you can't be lazy about training. When my pit/lab mix barks and will not respond to the quiet command when outside...I walk out there to him and tell him again. This works and I don't need the bark collar. I have had it on him a total of maybe 3-4 times in 2 years and that was in the beginning of training him the "quiet" command. Anything that can be taught with a shock, can be taught with consistency and dedication.
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| Oct 22, 2007 @ 11:16 AM |
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AnnGray
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I’m of a die hard opinion that anti bark collars shouldn’t be purchased without the knowledge of a vet.
And those d*mn remote ones should be BANNED. I own a very small and very in-bread yap-yap that is a compulsive barker.. heck, he has a great bowl movement and he barks at it. *sigh* My collar goes on when I go to work and comes right off as soon as I walk in the door. He will still get riled up and bark with it on, but instead of escalating into a full blown yap-fit the shock curbs the impulse to loose his little mind.
The first month was the hardest - I was lucky because I could take him to work with me at the time so I could back up the "shock" with a verbal and hand motion to get his attention and teach him that the shock is associated with the bark - With out the collar he now responds GREAT to the "SHUSH" command and the hand gesture - I have discovered unfortunately that if I leave him without the collar he immediately reverts to yap-yap mode. *sigh* so much for actually correcting a bad behavior.
I look at the collar this way - It's like spanking your kids - it’s only as effective as you are. If you beat and yell at your kids all of the time it’s not discipline or teaching them anything - if you use corporal punishment selectively and appropriately its effect is profound and beneficial. The same goes with the shock collars - an attentive owner along side of a professional can make the most of it - just slapping one on and expecting to teach the dog anything is just plain stupid.
(just as a reference, I explored several "separation anxiety" tools and techniques to curb the poop machines barking before I considered the collar. Even then, I bought one only after choosing one that the vet suggested along with more tips on how and when to use it.)
Peace!
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| Oct 22, 2007 @ 2:58 PM |
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litehearted
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I've never used an E collar for training, I did invest in the under ground fence. The collar on the dog sends a small shock if they try and get into the road. (I live in the country and farmers do not slow down for dogs) It would give warning beeps if they were getting near the line they shouldnt cross.
My lab learned fast if he stood by the line and heard the beep he could run the battery down then cross without a shock. I tested this on myself before I put it on my lab. It wasn't a hard shock just an alert shock. It was the plan it would some day save his life.
I wasted my money.
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| Oct 22, 2007 @ 3:56 PM |
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CHARLIgurl1
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As a dog lover I am absolutely astounded that people still use barbaric things like this!
People resort to these awful things because they know little about training dogs,, dont understand them.. cant be bothered to get an expert to help.. so resort to a painful and cruel gadget such as this.
people who use these things on thier dogs shouldnt own dogs at all.   
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| Oct 22, 2007 @ 4:12 PM |
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AnnGray
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omg.. that is so awful! I am soo soo sorry hun about your dog. 
I don't trust my collar at all.
For the first month i sat with him while he ate or snacked on his fav treats to see if the *crunch* would set off the collar - even now i make sure he ate all of his food while i was gone fearing that the collar would malfunction and start *zaping* every time he took a bite of something hard. Even now when he scratches on it after i put it on him in the mornging i hold my breath a little anticipating the sensitivity to malfunction and give him a jolt. Its a peice of hardware. Hardware fails/malfunctions/breaks - my dog is a living breathing animal, not a toy or replaceable - i want to be sure that what i do to him will not harm him now or down the road.
I have heard that small dogs when shocked will *freek out* and simply bolt - not realizing that they are headed to the source of the shock and not away from it. After watching my own dog panic when he steped on a sand spur I can easily visualize him just hauling butt in any givin directin after getting zapped for sniffing arround the yard.
but then again, i have seen big honkin german sheppards learn the edges of the shock perimitar and just keep calm and within that boarder even when they are in full *defece mode* when a stranger is near.
dogs are like people - unpredictable and unique - god bless them all
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| Oct 22, 2007 @ 4:34 PM |
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CHARLIgurl1
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These Electric collars are not a training device even tho people are told they are. A dog is trained through guidance and correction with affection.
All these terrible things do is make the dog scared. Scared to move and not understanding why.
They should be outlawed!
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| Oct 22, 2007 @ 4:37 PM |
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AnnGray
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riiiiight...
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| Oct 22, 2007 @ 4:48 PM |
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JeansToTight
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These Electric collars are not a training device even tho people are told they are. A dog is trained through guidance and correction with affection
aw yes Charli and a lot patience, people tend to be in a hurry to fix the problem, it takes time ,,,kinda like raisen children they don't learn over nite.....but consistant training will in the end prove a better way and cost a lot less.......making it harder for the overnite so called dog trainers to make a lot of money off of your dog being shocked into doing it .
kinda like a tazer I'm sure they only hurt for a little while ..lol
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| Oct 22, 2007 @ 7:21 PM |
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beckyiv42000
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this reminds me of the episode I just saw night before last of star Trek .. the original one where James T Kirk Ohura and another crew member were fitted with shock collars so they would OBEY...I dont see how anyone could expect a dog to LOVE you after you put a collar like that on them... maybe those who use them are not looking for an affectionate or LOYAL companion.. they are looking to dominate a being to substitute for a lack of control of their own lives  ..if you DONT have the time to properly train an animal you shouldn't have one and for God sake DONT have kids either.... I can just picture a child being treated like that because they cried or whined too much 
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| Oct 22, 2007 @ 8:11 PM |
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JeansToTight
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the original one where James T Kirk Ohura and another crew member were fitted with shock collars so they would OBEY...
ok now theres a idea ,,,,,,,,fit the people with them,,,,and turn it to the right setting ,,lololol have a few who could use shocking
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| Oct 22, 2007 @ 10:00 PM |
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AnnGray
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You know, you shouldn’t make blanket statements like that – they are as insulting as they are ignorant.
I hate my shock collar but it works. My dog loves me, is healthy and lives a better life for it.
To anyone who has a problem with a compulsive barker, I strongly suggest consulting a vet first and trying alternate methods – there is the citronella collar and the one that makes a sonic whistle – both failed for me, and from what I have read on many No-bark web posts they tend to be fairly useless. You can always resort to the De-bark surgery, but that just turns my stomach like the de-clawing surgery does. I DO suggest that if you get a no-bark collar, take a few days off if you cant take your pet to work with you as I did – backing up the *zap* with a verbal and hand command helps with making the connection of bark = zap.
Cheers, and good luck!
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| Oct 22, 2007 @ 10:24 PM |
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xquackheadx
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just to add to the pro side of this a happy owner insures a happy dog i train retrievers and i agree it is a tool to be used cautiously but if in the right hands or with a good teacher it can be an effective tool.
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| Oct 22, 2007 @ 10:47 PM |
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uab_5
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My terrier is on an under ground shocker collar.
When she gets close to the antenna she gets scolded, hears the alerts, then gets zapped!
The only time she leaves the yard is on leash or when the collar's batteries die.
It was a darn good investment for a dog of superior intelligence and trainability.
It beats the hell out of chaining her to a post or letting her run loose in the street (both of which are cruel) or buildind a fence which is expensive, ugly, and cumbersome.
Socker collars rule! 
The remote "shock 'til they drop" collars are no good, though. 
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| Oct 22, 2007 @ 10:52 PM |
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xquackheadx
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Again it is just a tool most people dont understand they are of variable intensity settings step one is finding the level that gains dogs attention step two watch them for the behavior that you want to curb step three get their attention step four repeat as often as necessary
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| Oct 22, 2007 @ 10:55 PM |
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JeansToTight
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when the collar's batteries die.
or if she is so teachable ,,,take the time to teach her to just stay in the yard....
you don't think being shocked all the time is cruel?
i train retrievers and i agree it is a tool to be used cautiously but if in the right hands or with a good teacher it can be an effective tool.
and you use it for what? training at a distance?
I have a area search and resuce dog ,,,who works off leash and I could control him from afar with out a e-collar took some time and training but I got what I wanted from him .
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