| Dec 21, 2005 @ 3:55 PM |
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hercules1944
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This thread will be open to all forum goers, regardless of race, religion, gender or whatever. The MODS cut off my original thread. Shame on them. I want to hear from veterans and non veterans. The main topic for discussion will be, The Selling of America. Seems to me, our Pols are asking young men/women to fight/die for a cause, while they are selling out America to foreign interests. Shipping jobs overseas for Corporate America, while the government keeps ballooning. If there are no jobs left in the US, then who is going to pay the taxes to support government?
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| Dec 21, 2005 @ 4:29 PM |
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ruready4me2luvu
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It's time for the USA to TAKE back the USA   What the hell happened to AMERICAN MADE, and MADE IN THE USA?
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| Dec 21, 2005 @ 4:54 PM |
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hercules1944
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 Simple, Corporate America has been selling out the US workers for decades. It is called greed and avarice. Bottom line: PROFIT!
Good book to read. "We Can Change The World  " by Dr. David G Stratman. Tells about the collusion between governtment and corporate America, going back 40 years.
Funny, David was a anti-war Professor at Harvard during the
NAM. I was ducking bullets at the time. We met during the Hormel Strike in Minnesota. The local union P9 had Hormel on their knees, then was sold out my the International Union.
Yeah right. Now 70% of the Hormel jobs are scab labor and non-union.
What really irritates me, is that the jobs go overseas, or to a third party, but: I do not get a break at the checkout counter. If labor costs are reduced 60-70%, then why do I not get a deal at the counter? I am still paying the price as if it was made by a USA worker. Profit, greed and avarice.
Gotta tell you people, some of the big names in local Corporate America, such as 3M, Dayton's and General Mills, gave to charity and supported the Arts. That is history and now a dinosaur.
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| Dec 21, 2005 @ 6:53 PM |
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PerhapsLove
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MADE IN THE USA?
Have you checked your computer lately?
If you practiced what you preached, you would never be on-line.
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| Dec 21, 2005 @ 7:25 PM |
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ruready4me2luvu
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The question is have you checked my computer to know where the parts came from? If I practiced what I preached you might not be online!  I won't go into a pissin contest with you Perhaps, not worth my time so have a good night. It's Christmas and I have better things to do than to be bothered with a Scrooge who doesn't support the USA.
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| Dec 21, 2005 @ 11:39 PM |
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grumblebear
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I'm tired of the politicians who tell us to, "Support the Troops", and then cut the VA hospitals, veterans benefits, and support to the Vet.
"just another Vet"
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| Dec 22, 2005 @ 12:32 AM |
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ruready4me2luvu
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Grumble if the government spent it on their own instead of every other godforsaken hellhole country in BFE, the benefits wouldn't be cut. And thank you sir for doing your service. 
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| Dec 22, 2005 @ 2:46 AM |
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lobo65
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I am a veteran, and actually work physical rehabilitation with WWII vets on the nursing home floor of a VA hospital. I enjoy it.
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| Dec 22, 2005 @ 3:58 AM |
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grumblebear
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congrats Lobo... Good to hear...
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| Dec 22, 2005 @ 2:28 PM |
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hercules1944
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 Did I not make myself clear enough Perhaps? With the outsourcing of jobs overseas, so corporate america can pad their profit lines, American workers are put out of work. Very few products today are genuine Made in the USA.
Simple economics, if the government keeps growing and spending, and American jobs keep disappearing, then who is going to pay the taxes to support the government? Can not be done, and sooner or later the balloon has to burst.
Give you an example. Take Social Security. First and foremost; it is not government money. Employers and employees paid into that fund, not the government. The money is there, problem, through legal skulduggery the government borrowed from the funds. The money is now nothing but government IOU's, and they want to renege on the obligation.
Can that statement stimulate some brain tissues between the ears Perhaps?
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| Dec 22, 2005 @ 2:58 PM |
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Greystone1
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The main topic for discussion will be, The Selling of America.
Are we stacking the deck... or what? 
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| Dec 22, 2005 @ 4:14 PM |
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ruready4me2luvu
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I'd like to know WHY Perhaps Love felt the need to send me 3 EMAILS that were 14 pages long and try to chastise me. I don't need anotehr daddy Perhaps and I scertainly don't need to be asked "have you served your country"? My ex served this countrym my stepfather, grandfathers, uncles and great uncles all served this country as did my great aunts.
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| Dec 22, 2005 @ 4:19 PM |
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Classy_Blonde
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I won't go into a lot of detail here, because I try to make it a rule not to tread too deeply into political and religious debates. They can get too heated for this 'peace creep'.
I will say, I want our troops back home ASAP.
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| Dec 22, 2005 @ 6:14 PM |
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hercules1944
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 Not stacking the deck at all. The truth hurts in direct proportion to the amount of denial. Unless one has lived in a cave the past 30-40 years, then how can one deny what is happening in this country? How many times do we hear that we have to compete in a global economy? Say what? The global economy is pretty much based on the USD. How about letting the rest of the world come up to our standards, rather than letting our workers be brought down to sub-standard.
 Greatest nation on the planet today. However; where could we be if the Pols and Corporates took care of the USA first?
[Edited on 12/22/2005 6:19 PM]
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| Dec 22, 2005 @ 8:11 PM |
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Greystone1
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This has nothing to do with veterans.
This thread will be open to all forum goers, regardless of race, religion, gender or whatever.
This has nothing to do with race, religion, gender, or whatever.
The MODS cut off my original thread. Shame on them.
So what?
I want to hear from veterans and non veterans.
That pretty much covers the spectrum, doesn't it? This has nothing to do with veterans/non-veterans.
The main topic for discussion will be, The Selling of America.
A totally meaningless phrase, geared to appeal to the emotions.
Seems to me, our Pols are asking young men/women to fight/die for a cause, while they are selling out America to foreign interests.
More meaningless buzzwords.
Shipping jobs overseas for Corporate America,
And more buzzwords.
while the government keeps ballooning.
Finally, something we agree on. Government is much too big and far too intrusive.
If there are no jobs left in the US, then who is going to pay the taxes to support government?
No jobs left? Gimme a break...
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| Dec 22, 2005 @ 8:57 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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No jobs left? Gimme a break...
OK, I have to stick my head in the hornet's nest too. We live in a global economy, like it or not. Corporations exist to make a profit for shareholders, that's what they do. It's called capitalism. It's not evil, it's a free market economic system that so far has worked better than any other around. Most foreign manufacturers (e.g. Honda, Hyundai, Mercedes) have factories here, while American manufacturers (Intel, HP) have factories overseas. Yes, there's outsourcing and I'm not thrilled with it. Not as much because of the jobs bleeding out of the country as it is because I've seen how counterproductive it actually is. I'm sure that eventually this too will pass (i.e. people in upper management will also become aware that productivity has dropped thru the floor), but there's nothing intrinsically wrong in profit. It's what generates the jobs and keeps the wheels turning.
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| Dec 22, 2005 @ 9:45 PM |
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hercules1944
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Greystone, this is still a free country. You do not like the thread, then you are certainly free to bugger off. Defy you to show me where I ever stated there are no jobs left.
Myself, as a decorated veteran, sometimes wonder why I put my life on the line. I still believe in my country, but; do like the direction it is taking. My grandchildren are mortgaged to help pay off the debts this country is in today.
The only reason, for the much taughted global economy, is that Americans keep buying into it. For sure, some foreign companies manufacture cars in the USA. Tennessee to be exact. A minimal wage State. Try and support a family in California, at $8-$9 hr in wages. NAFTA was a one way street, to benefit Corporate America. Cheap labor.
Nothing wrong with profit. However; when it turns into greed and avarice, then it makes Scrooge look like a piker. Whatever happened to the time when corporate America gave back to their communities, and supported the Arts and Humanitarian causes?
Actually, I do not care where the topic goes on this thread. I had to start somewhere, to please the thought police mods. I just would like to see thoughtful and intelligent debate, not diatribes. Guess you will get them on any thread, in any forum on the net.
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| Dec 22, 2005 @ 10:31 PM |
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Greystone1
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Myself, as a decorated veteran, sometimes wonder why I put my life on the line.
I am also a decorated veteran who put his life on the line (purple heart, bronze star, and two confirmed), so let's not go there. It is irrelevant to the issue.
I still believe in my country, but; do [not] like the direction it is taking. My grandchildren are mortgaged to help pay off the debts this country is in today.
So far we are in agreement.
The only reason, for the much taughted global economy, is that Americans keep buying into it. For sure, some foreign companies manufacture cars in the USA. Tennessee to be exact. A minimal wage State. Try and support a family in California, at $8-$9 hr in wages. NAFTA was a one way street, to benefit Corporate America. Cheap labor.
And cheaper and better products. Remember "planned obsolescence"? That was where your car turned to crap at 50K miles. American manufacturers have had to improve quality in order to compete in the global economy. Better quality at lower prices. Competition is a good thing.
Nothing wrong with profit. However; when it turns into greed and avarice, then it makes Scrooge look like a piker. Whatever happened to the time when corporate America gave back to their communities, and supported the Arts and Humanitarian causes?
The government took over all of the humanitarian causes and screwed it up, just as they screw up everything they touch. When recipients are entitled to it, it isn't charity, and when contributions are not voluntary, that's called theft. When it comes to greed and avarice, nobody can hold a candle to government.
Blame it on the voters who demanded it. Take my freedom... please.
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| Dec 22, 2005 @ 10:48 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Hercules, I work for a foreign corporation - we have 1100 employees at the location where I work, and we're not underpaid (ok, some people will argue that, but statistically we're at about 110% of the average wage in our market). We contribute to a number of charities, we have corporate matching on donations, and we put together about half a million dollars in cash donations towards Katrina, as well as donating services and materials. The corporation's purpose is to generate profit for shareholders, but part of our corporate values is to give back to our community. I don't know what experience you've had that makes you feel the way you do, I can only describe my own experiences, which make me feel quite differently on the subject.
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| Dec 26, 2005 @ 4:04 PM |
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hercules1944
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Brainerd Dispatch, Sunday, December 25th, 2005. Business section.
In the years after World War 11, thousands of companies made a promise to their workers: Invest your most productive years with us, and we'll take care of you with a pension when your working days are over. In recent years though, hundreds of thousands of workers and retirees have seen those promises broken. This is the story of how that happened at one small Ohio company.
 Hellava story for Christmas Day. The employees kicked back, gave wage cuts and everything under the sun to keep the company going. (Ajax Magnathermic Corp) The story goes on to tell about the legal skulduggery and setting up a shell company, to liquidate all the assets and stiff it to the workers. Good reading.
Problem is; it is an almost daily thing. Pick up any newspaper any day, and it is some other company, but, the story is the same.
A company making a profit (capitalism) is not the issue. The "Selling of America" to the highest bidder is. The people in this country need to smell the bacon. If not, then most of the US workers will be working for some shell corporation, with headquarters in Peking, Hong Kong or Taiwan, in the not too distant future.
I will survive, not tied to any corporation. Can do things on my own. But; how about the majority of my fellow USA workers?
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