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NawtiKitty
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This actually is a "morphication" from another thread. It's for discussion purposes only and not meant to start any gender wars.
I'm curious about what people think the definition is. 
My definition of it is primarily equality
What's yours?
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| Apr 10 @ 9:32 PM |
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ISSUESWOPTIONS
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Lesbianism gone "horribly" wrong 
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| Apr 10 @ 9:34 PM |
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signme
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| Apr 10 @ 9:34 PM |
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whatagal
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^^^^^^^^^^^^
I defined my feminism over 20 years ago in the Marine Corps...so I don't have to answer this question!! 
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| Apr 10 @ 9:35 PM |
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Jalon
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I'd like to think of it as embracing your femininity and all that entails. It's a certain acceptance that you don't have to bend into any "this-is-what-a-woman-should-be" mold.
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| Apr 10 @ 10:02 PM |
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NawtiKitty
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I defined my feminism over 20 years ago in the Marine Corps...
Thought I'd throw in Wikipedia's definition so we can all appreciate how differently everyone views it
Feminism comprises a number of social, cultural and political movements, theories and moral philosophies concerned with gender inequalities, and equal rights for women.
According to some, the history of feminism consists of three waves.[1][2] The first wave was in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, the second was in the 1960s and 1970s and the third extends from the 1990s to the present.[3] Feminist Theory developed from the feminist movement.[4][5] It takes a number of forms in a variety of disciplines such as feminist geography, feminist history and feminist literary criticism.
So contrary to popular belief, feminsim has been around much longer than just the recent 2nd wave.
Bra busters have been at it for quite some time
[Edited on 4/10/2008 10:38 PM]
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| Apr 10 @ 10:07 PM |
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youbetcha
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I'm purposefully stepping into the quicksand with one foot in my mouth  Equality is the first big lie of Feminism. We are never going to be completely equal. Equal pay for equal job performance is fine. The big equalizer is a gun, so yes, women can fight in the military if they want, but if it comes down to hand to hand combat, you better have worked on the speediest groin kick or other equally debilitating strike or move more than anything else, because that's where the equality ends in that arena. If this isn't DUH information, then let me sink all the way.
The next big lie of Feminism is that testosterone, masculinity, aggression, violence (there's useful violence, btw) and etc. is bad. If you don’t believe me, Google it 
Before my head goes under I will say this: EQUAL VALUE, but, different makeup, function and roles more often than not.
I'm looking for a companion, not a competitor.
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| Apr 10 @ 10:19 PM |
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SyndilLucian
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I have a friend in the military. The nickname they gave this service member is Lady Death.. want to guess why?
I don't know for sure where you got the idea that feminism thinks male hormones are bad, I certainly know they aren't...
and again, she is considered, by her male counterparts to be death on two feet, and they will NOT piss her off, and not because she is above them in rank either...
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| Apr 10 @ 10:26 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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Most of what makes us "men" and "women" are not biological but are indeed taught to us starting as young as infancy, so quite honestly we're not really all that different.
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| Apr 10 @ 10:44 PM |
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NawtiKitty
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youbetcha..you're referring to a "physical equality component" and there is no such thing. Feminism doesn't pertain to that at all. In order to debate this or even discuss it logically, we both need to be on the same page with it so I'l try to bring you on board 
Read below
Feminism has altered aspects of Western society, ranging from culture to law. Feminist political activists have been concerned with issues such as a woman's right of contract and property, a woman's right to bodily integrity and autonomy (especially on matters such as reproductive rights, including the right to abortion, access to contraception and quality prenatal care); for protection from domestic violence; against sexual harassment and rape;[6][7] for workplace rights, including maternity leave and equal pay; and against other forms of discrimination.[8][9][10]
Now do you see what it's about? Ain't got nothing to do with who can kick who's ass..
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| Apr 10 @ 10:51 PM |
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your_princess
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We are never going to be completely equal
I have to agree with that statement 100%. As much as many would like to believe that women will one day be mens equal...we will not. It is just like the equality between whites and blacks. Yes in both we have taken huge steps as a society to fill the gaps, but there are certainly STILL large gaps to be filled...which i dont personally ever feel will be complete.
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| Apr 10 @ 10:58 PM |
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loisday
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I feel a song comming on:
Ebony And Ivory
Live Together In Perfect Harmony
Side By Side On My Piano Keyboard
Oh Lord, Why Don't We?
We All Know
That People Are The Same Wherever You Go
There Is Good And Bad In Ev'ryone,
We Learn To Live,
We Learn To Give Each Other
What We Need To Survive Together Alive
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| Apr 10 @ 11:00 PM |
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Kenn159
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As I mentioned in that other thread.
Feminism is about equal pay for equal work and about opening our minds to the opportunities for women in jobs and sports etc.
These opportunities, that were traditionally only revered for men, and are now becoming open to all genders.
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| Apr 10 @ 11:01 PM |
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Kenn159
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have to agree with that statement 100%. As much as many would like to believe that women will one day be mens equal...we will not. It is just like the equality between whites and blacks. Yes in both we have taken huge steps as a society to fill the gaps, but there are certainly STILL large gaps to be filled...which i dont personally ever feel will be complete.
What ? 
We ARE all equal, regardless if we all believe it or not.
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| Apr 10 @ 11:06 PM |
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NawtiKitty
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Pardon?
I have to agree with that statement 100%. As much as many would like to believe that women will one day be mens equal...we will not.
I'm so glad you feel that way. Perhaps now would be the time to thank the women who have gone before you who have provided the rights and freedoms you now enjoy?
It is just like the equality between whites and blacks
Maybe not in my life time but I'm hoping in yours it will happen. But only if you see things from a more enlightened way
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| Apr 10 @ 11:54 PM |
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loisday
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It is just like the equality between whites and blacks
Apples and oranges. That issue is not even comparable.
We are all equal. Just because the hard won path to equality doesn't exist in your opinon....... fails to make it any less true.
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| Apr 11 @ 12:01 AM |
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NawtiKitty
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*woot woot*
*arm pumping motion*
Like she said!!
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| Apr 11 @ 12:33 AM |
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youbetcha
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I remember thinking that it would be wonderful for men to be able to express their emotions in the way that women traditionally did. It seemed to me that to feminise society in this way must be to the greater benefit of all.
Feminism has turned men into second-class citizens, but have women's victories come at a price?
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| Apr 11 @ 12:37 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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As much as many would like to believe that women will one day be mens equal...we will not. It is just like the equality between whites and blacks. Yes in both we have taken huge steps as a society to fill the gaps, but there are certainly STILL large gaps to be filled...which i dont personally ever feel will be complete.
You're entitled to your opinion of course. When I started working, nearly 50 years ago, women weren't even allowed to work nights, we needed to be protected. We could however, be fired if we became pregnant (and in fact, I was...they hired me back again after my first son was born). Maternity leave? Fuhgeddaboutit. Equal opportunity? They actually told me to my face that I was by far the best qualified both for training as a programmer and promotion to supervisor, but they were sorry, no deal since I was a woman of childbearing age.
These days? My boss is pregnant with her second child, and she knows her job will be available when she comes back, just as it was when she took time off to have her first baby. Our newest manager is a young black woman, managing the DBA group (one of the highest paid groups around). She's one of a number of managers and directors who are either non-white, non-male, or both. Even when it wasn't the law, I found a company that let me show what I could do, then paid me accordingly (okay, sometimes I had to tweak their noses to get what I felt I deserved, but I didn't have to fight all THAT hard).
We've come a long way baby, and while we may still have a long way to go, the road's not quite as bumpy anymore. The most important thing is still what it always was - if you're good at what you do and have the guts to make sure the powers that be appreciate it, you will succeed.
[Edited on 4/11/2008 12:40 AM]
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| Apr 11 @ 12:39 AM |
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youbetcha
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LGQ, just wait until you have kids of your own and see if you think it's mostly how they're raised that makes them male or female...none of my boys mimicked their mother and looked at price tags when they were just 2 like my daughter did...my estranged wife isn't a dyke, but she's not real feminine either, whereas my daughter has been a real feminine girly, girl from day one. My second son turned me on to the UFC on Spike TV all on his own.
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