| Apr 11 @ 2:08 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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good. 
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| Apr 11 @ 2:39 AM |
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sweetgypsysoul
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Feminism is the right to choose one's lifestyle and receive similar compensation as others in similar positions .. regardless of gender, age, race, or any other qualifer.
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| Apr 11 @ 3:16 AM |
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youbetcha
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sweetgypsysoul women's liberation was about that..I totally agree with equal pay for equal performance.
feminism goes much further in trying to promote the feminine and eliminate the masculine. that's not me fear mongering, that's me having read the words of staunch feminists while seeing the effects in our society, government and military.
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| Apr 11 @ 8:13 AM |
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Blondino
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What do feminists want?
To end the perpetuation of gender expectations that, on balance, harm women.
To explain the many ways that sexist stereotypes, double standards, and oppressions harm women generally .
It is important to know that feminism is about equality, not anger ... there are three groups .. Liberal Feminists are the ones who scare men 
[Edited on 4/11/2008 8:20 AM]
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| Apr 11 @ 9:13 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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To explain the many ways that sexist stereotypes, double standards, and oppressions harm women generally
That really is all it's about. It's not about female over male, or even anything you can do I can do better. It's allowing everyone to become the best they can be, regardless of whether it fits the stereotypes or not. Men have pretty much always had that privilege, and 'the other human' just wants the same. If a woman could have equal rights in Egypt 5000 years ago, in a civilization that lasted thousands of years, ya think maybe it can happen here too, without blaming all the ills of the world on the fact that women can now vote?
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| Apr 11 @ 9:50 AM |
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luvmycats
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as long as they also feel completely comfortable in a dress and looking and acting like a lady that knows a heck of a lot more about makeup and feminine stuff than I do. YB, have YOU ever worn a dress, heals, and make up? Didn't think so , so why should every woman feel comfortable in such? Nope, women fought hard for me to be able to wear pants, and I will be forever grateful.  I will wear one on occasion, but for me, they are very uncomfortable, and just not me. Just as I don't think you would be comfortable.
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| Apr 11 @ 10:04 AM |
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budo13
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i have no problem with feminism just as long as in the end she knows her role
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| Apr 11 @ 10:18 AM |
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Kenn159
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You're entitled to your opinion of course. When I started working, nearly 50 years ago, women weren't even allowed to work nights, we needed to be protected. We could however, be fired if we became pregnant (and in fact, I was...they hired me back again after my first son was born). Maternity leave? Fuhgeddaboutit. Equal opportunity? They actually told me to my face that I was by far the best qualified both for training as a programmer and promotion to supervisor, but they were sorry, no deal since I was a woman of childbearing age.
These days? My boss is pregnant with her second child, and she knows her job will be available when she comes back, just as it was when she took time off to have her first baby. Our newest manager is a young black woman, managing the DBA group (one of the highest paid groups around). She's one of a number of managers and directors who are either non-white, non-male, or both. Even when it wasn't the law, I found a company that let me show what I could do, then paid me accordingly (okay, sometimes I had to tweak their noses to get what I felt I deserved, but I didn't have to fight all THAT hard).
We've come a long way baby, and while we may still have a long way to go, the road's not quite as bumpy anymore. The most important thing is still what it always was - if you're good at what you do and have the guts to make sure the powers that be appreciate it, you will succeed.
Progress
Feminists want to feminise society. Minority races, sexual orientation groups and alternate religious groups want society to fully embrace their culture and beliefs while trying to fully eliminate the culture and religious beliefs this country was built on.
You have been listening to way to much Rush Limbaugh and the other conservative extremist.
Do you want to know the worst thing? The feminization of our government and military has lead to us not being able to win wars the way we are completely capable of because we're too against collateral damage.
Collateral damage is the loss [death] of inocent civilians.
You have a problem with concern of inocent life ,as in women and childen during war?
You are one wierd dude.
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| Apr 11 @ 10:50 AM |
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SaintBacon
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Youbetcha, been reading your posts while scratching my head. Dude, you do realize that we are in the 21st century, right? You are certainly welcome to your opinions and I'm certainly welcome to find them distasteful. 
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| Apr 11 @ 10:53 AM |
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NawtiKitty
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as long as they also feel completely comfortable in a dress and looking and acting like a lady that knows a heck of a lot more about makeup and feminine stuff than I do.
Your standards according to you-LOVE seeing that qualifier thrown in
and if she chooses not to wear a dress or are not completely comfortable in a dress?
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| Apr 11 @ 11:15 AM |
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Brass_Wolf
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When I hear words such as feminism and diversity tossed back and forth in conversation, I can't be thankful enough those moronic concepts haven't invaded the workplace in my chosen profession. In the 20 years I have been involved in woodworking, I've never had to deal with the distraction of industry wide directives to hire "X" number of minorities and/or women in order to assure an enviroment of equal opportunity.The reality is, whoever is drawn to this line of work, is dedicated to learning the craft, doesn't mind the fact that the tasks involved would shred a $50 manicure in a single shift... find work, and are well compensated. Women opt out. I've never had anything but white/ male coworkers. And it's not about discrimination. What about all those other occupations that are highly sought after by the masses, and are subjected to the pressures of equal hiring and equal compensation standards. Some call them the gravy jobs and we in the trades call the people who seek them, cherry pickers.
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| Apr 11 @ 12:31 PM |
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youbetcha
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Collateral damage is the loss [death] of inocent civilians.
You have a problem with concern of inocent life ,as in women and childen during war?
You are one wierd dude.
The only reason I'm weird in your opinion and the opinion of the majority is because our society has changed dramatically in my lifetime and I haven't accepted all of the changes as good. Yes we are in the 21st Century and we now live in a feminized society.
The funny thing to me is the mere fact that you list innocent women and children but not men in the definition of collateral damage. This "double standard" swings both ways.
Regardless, I have very little sympathy for "innocent" people who live in a country that wants to overthrow ours. It's guilt by association. If they were completely innocent, they would leave that country in the same way Obama should have left his church. I'm not against fair warning beforehand, but after that, no holds barred. That's how you win. War is ugly. It's barbaric. A feminized society cannot accept that. Terrorists do.
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| Apr 11 @ 1:17 PM |
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Blondino
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I love being a woman .. a female ... feminine ...
I wear dresses .. make up .. perfume ... cute shoes .... get my nails done ..... I love it all ...... love cooking ... love looking fashionable
I am also very intelligent and have looked after myself and my son for 15 years ... bought us a home and traveled .. all over with him ...
If anyone tries to make me feel inferior or a lesser being because I am a woman and for no other reason .. then sparks will fly 
I dont accept double standards or inferiority ,,,, and especially not only on the grounds of having a penis 
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| Apr 11 @ 1:23 PM |
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Kenn159
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The funny thing to me is the mere fact that you list innocent women and children but not men in the definition of collateral damage. This "double standard" swings both ways
You are too funny and I know you are not trying to be.
Yes innocent men too, but as a man, concern for women and children should be paramount and of the highest importance.
That is a sentiment that even you should be able to relate too.
Regardless, I have very little sympathy for "innocent" people
It shows
May God have mercy on your soul.
No Joke.
[QUOTE]Regardless, I have very little sympathy for "innocent" people who live in a country that wants to overthrow ours.
Lock your doors; Iraqis are on their way over on boats to take our country over.
One is at my door now,where is my gun?
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| Apr 11 @ 1:39 PM |
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youbetcha
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Let's talk about dresses. When I was younger, dresses were the norm. Today they are the exception, at least in the places I go. Why is that? I believe it's because while feminism has on one side feminized society on the other side it has masculized (my word) the women all in an effort to make women and men equal. That is a huge tragedy and mistake. Now being a real lady is just as unpopular as being a real man. Generally speaking, the differences between men and women are always going to be quite significant and I believe they should be celebrated, not ignored. There is nothing more beautiful and stunning in this life than a beautiful lady in a well designed dress.
Men are typically single task oriented. Women are typically multi task oriented. Both have their benefits and challenges. We're not the same. Men are typically violent and women are typically nurturing. Both have their benefits and challenges. There are plenty of other stark differences, but these are 2 very obvious differences that I have chosen to make my point.
All the efforts in the media, especially in TV and Movies showing women equal to or in many cases better than men in every aspect of life from the home front to crime fighting where women are constantly kicking butt is pure fantasy. Certain women will excel in ways that will amaze us all, but that is by far the exception to the rule when it comes to physical strength and skill. The only way most women can compete with men in the physical strength and skilled jobs is for men to dumb down their game and because of our anti discrimination laws that does happen more than some people are willing to admit.
Equal pay for equal performance, not equal pay for equal jobs. There are many white collar jobs that women can do just as good or even some jobs better than men. Multi tasking and other qualities of women give them an edge in some jobs, no doubt. But just like Brass_Wolf, I'm personally quite glad that in spite of what we see on the home improvement shows on TV, women still aren't flocking to residential and commercial construction jobs as of yet. The last thing I need is a woman on the other end of a 6x12 beam, or a woman carrying 3 or 4 studs at a time instead of 8, or a woman helping to lift a wall. It's bad enough trying to move a piece of furniture with a woman. It takes longer and it costs more in the long run. In the world of business, those are the two things that make all of the difference; time and money.
I absolutely have zero problem with women doing whatever they can do and being paid according to their performance and it's great to see them push the boundaries, but we're never going to be equal in everything and the more the more the fantasy of total equality is perpetuated the more damage it will do to our society, because anything other than the truth is harmful to life.
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| Apr 11 @ 1:49 PM |
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youbetcha
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blondino I was right with you until you went with the penis line. As I just spent the last half hour explaining in my last post, the differences between men and women are much more than penis and vagina. I honestly believe we are equal in value. I love women who love being women of strong character that have done what you have done. I said it once and I'll say it again, let's celebrate our differences and I'll add, let's not argue over who is better overall because we truly are equal in value, we're just significantly different in design 
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| Apr 11 @ 1:53 PM |
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youbetcha
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Ken159,
It's great that you think this is funny, especially terrorism. I don't. If we don't toughen up, we're going to get our clock cleaned, period, over and out. i'd love to be wrong because I know my thinking is unpopular, but I highly doubt I am.
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| Apr 11 @ 2:32 PM |
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SaintBacon
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Lordy youbetcha, please stop, you're giving us pigs a bad name Seriously dude, I was born in the 50's, grew up in the 60's and 70's..in the bible belt...in a pretty conservative town...brought up "the old way". But I can't dig a word you are saying  . Times change, people and cultures evolve....I guess some just can't wrap their arms around that.
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| Apr 11 @ 2:41 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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LOLOL "women were born with the genes to shop and be nurturing"!
btw dresses = gross
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| Apr 11 @ 2:57 PM |
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youbetcha
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dresses are gross
SaintBacon, you better stop wearing your sisters dress and put on some pants for a change, cause sissies don't make it in the real man's world...y'all can fight it out in the boardroom and in your little cubby holes all you want...out here in blue collar workin' man's land it's a different ballgame where the rubber meets the road and women and children just get in the way and slow things down, right here in the 21st Century no less
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