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youbetcha
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Do you believe the wife should contribute a fair share to the family income? Read Proverbs 31 and you will know my answer is yes, with her focus on the health and welfare of her husband and children above her status and or power in society (which is also true for the husband). 
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| Apr 12 @ 1:21 AM |
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SunBabe
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Sorry, I was looking for an original answer, not quotes from a book. 
...and if the woman has to work outside the home and provide a share of the income, isn't that MASCULINIZING her? 
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| Apr 12 @ 1:35 AM |
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burnslikethesun
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Feminist. f***ing sexiest. Just the other side of the street. Race ya to the middle. Loser has to sit in the mud puddle.
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| Apr 12 @ 1:49 AM |
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youbetcha
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Sorry, I was looking for an original answer, not quotes from a book.
...and if the woman has to work outside the home and provide a share of the income, isn't that MASCULINIZING her?
Maybe in your opinion, but not in mine. Sorry if it offends you but I choose to put my trust in the Bible which is surprisingly liberating for all who do, male and female, but certainly not in the way you and many others would expect. If your ethics are purely subjective then you have more problems than you realize.
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| Apr 12 @ 1:50 AM |
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SunBabe
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Aw shoot, I lost my mud puddle pics or I'd have posted one  
If your ethics are purely subjective then you have more problems than you realize.
My ethics have NEVER been questioned, subjective or not. "Objective" ethics are for those who can't think for themselves.
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| Apr 12 @ 1:53 AM |
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youbetcha
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I already admitted up front that I knew I was stepping into quicksand with one foot in my mouth 
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| Apr 12 @ 1:55 AM |
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youbetcha
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SunBabe, low blows about my intelligence always tell me I made a point that hit home, so thanks for saying that
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| Apr 12 @ 2:12 AM |
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SunBabe
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LOL, you're such a control freak
And lots of intelligent people are unable to think and reason for themselves -- they require structure...it's more comfortable and effective for them, personally -- though it's generally just a sign of arrested cognitive development.
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| Apr 12 @ 2:16 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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I just want to thank Nawty for a good thread, and YB for making it lively...and everybody for participating without too many low blows...
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| Apr 12 @ 2:29 AM |
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youbetcha
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SunBabe you couldn't be more wrong IMO. Based on what I know using my intellect, it takes far more blind faith and refusal to look at all of the evidence to not believe in God and the Bible than it does to agree to use our intellect to look at all of the evidence and believe because of it. There really is no excuse becuase of the complexity of the world we live in and the fact that God has poured out His Spirit on all flesh as an internal witness and it takes a hard heart to ignore His Holy Spirit. I'm not interested in the low blows and that is not meant to be one. It is my honest opinion, based on what I believe because of the overwhelming amount of evidence that leads to no better conclusion.
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| Apr 12 @ 2:31 AM |
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youbetcha
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Yes, sometimes tenaciousness get's confused with the desire to control people, which is not what I'm about at all
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| Apr 12 @ 2:32 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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^^^^^^^^^^ Yep, we know that's your opinion. It just doesn't happen to be one we share, okay?
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| Apr 12 @ 2:32 AM |
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youbetcha
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and with that I bid you all good night
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| Apr 12 @ 2:48 AM |
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SunBabe
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How'd this get to be a Christian or religious sermon?? All I was asking was for a valid answer from a person, not a book or quote from outside the persons brain. 
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| Apr 12 @ 8:04 AM |
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NawtiKitty
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Heyyyy  
Who's derailing my feminist thread here?  And how could this possilby morph into a relious thread? 
Read Proverbs 31 what the sam hell does that have to do with this? 
Dag nabbit!!
So I see nothing original occurred last nite other than a few more men stepped up to the plate and acknowledged that feminists aren't so bad.  And the wonderful women of md stood their ground and proved how truly awesome they all are  
Nawkitty, no widebelt sander? tsk tsk...
palm sander, 3/4 belt sander and the usual assortment of hand.. 
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| Apr 12 @ 9:03 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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with her focus on the health and welfare of her husband and children above her status and or power in society
Ccchhyeeah.....right. Like that will ever happen with me.
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| Apr 12 @ 9:40 AM |
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redtigr
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Nawtikitty and all: great thread !
I just want to say what excellent fun it has been to follow this thread; quite enlightening!! This is one of those rare times when I really learned a lot about various members from their posts - including the ability to maintain (ahem) decorum... even in the face of some ludicrous reasoning.
I was quite a "radical" back in the early 70's, studied women's history, read all the books and joined a women's group - and had absolutely no sense of humor regarding anything to do with gender equality. Though I am no longer so dour, I don't usually have the energy for this topic anymore. So often those who wish to discuss feminism really just want to belittle it - or women.
It's amazing how many people don't understand that being traditionally feminine may have very little to do with being female - and it has even less to do with equality of treatment. The type of clothing we wear is part of our societal culture. We are indoctrinated from birth as to what is acceptable for our gender by our families and upbringing. Sadly, in our society, clothing is often symbolic to some of specific gender roles.
I can say with aplomb that many of the most feminist women I have met dress in a traditionally feminine manner. Makeup and dresses, heels and pretty lingerie are a matter of choice - and one should not assume that style of dress equals manner of thinking. The opposite holds true as well. Jeans and trousers do not make one more or less of a feminist, a woman - or a man.
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| Apr 12 @ 11:21 AM |
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sealacamp
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"Objective" ethics are for those who can't think for themselves.
Conversely subjective ethics are for those that can't make up their minds, stand for what is right, or do anything about it when they see wrong in their faces (mostly because right are wrong are subjective and there is no clear right and wrong). So once again you have made an error.
though it's generally just a sign of arrested cognitive development.
No it is a sign of recognition of truth and reality instead of denial.
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| Apr 12 @ 11:48 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Conversely subjective ethics are for those that can't make up their minds, stand for what is right, or do anything about it when they see wrong in their faces (mostly because right are wrong are subjective and there is no clear right and wrong).
If you see a man throw a woman to the ground and beat her, is he doing wrong? Objectively, yes. If her clothing's on fire and he's trying to put out the fire, is he still doing wrong? Subjectively, not really.
Thinking for oneself, trying to consider all or at least as many facts as are available, does lead one to question. To you that's a bad thing, to others, it's the only way we can learn. To each his own - I know I can't change your mind, and you know you can't change mine. We are who we are, based on what we've lived and learned. You hold the beliefs you were taught, I've been questioning since I was a teenager. I believe it's wrong to do things to others that I wouldn't want done to me, and vice versa. I do my best to treat others as I'd want to be treated, whether it's simple courtesy or in other ways. I suspect you do too. We could probably agree on a great deal of what's right and wrong, but probably not as much on WHY they're right and wrong.
And there's a difference between questioning and denial. My reality's doing just fine, and I hope yours is too.
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| Apr 12 @ 11:53 AM |
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blueyes101
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Men and women are not inter changeable. There are many differences, and it is the differences between the two that makes me like women in the first place.
AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT !!!!!!!!
Just because there is masculine women and feminine men, does not make them equal, of should I use the term " the same ".
Why is it so hard for women to find men that are sensitive, caring,
and good-looking?
Because those men already have boyfriends.
Not all women can do everything equal to a man and visa versa, and so f*cking what?
If two men or two woman cannot do things the exact same way, why do we have to try to expect men and women to do the same.
If we have standards set forth for our military, and some men cannot perform to those standards, and are not qualified to continue, we do not lower those standards . If any woman or man, regardless of race can perform to those previously set standards, they should be allowed to continue, but the moment we lower the standards, we are on the edge of slippery slope.
People should get positions they are fully qualified for, based on their abilities, not because of any quotas, or allowances or lowering of standards.
And just to add, the feminism of the 60-80's, really screwed things up as far as how men and women should act towards one another.
Some women enjoyed having a door opened for them, others looked as if they wanted to spit in your face, as they screamed, I don't need a man to open my doors !!!!!!!!
Somehow acting like a gentleman, was suddenly out of style to some, yet still expected of others, and we had no idea who was who.
Now, we are supposed to treat a woman like a man, until we aren't ( god knows when that is ) then we are supposed to treat them like a woman.
So, half the time we expect them to be able to everything for themselves, and other times we are supposed to show how much we care by doing some things for them.
Men are so much easier, treat us like a man, unless we are very sick, then spoil us......
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