| Sep 24 @ 12:31 PM |
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CHARLIgurl1
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In 1991, the UK government banned the breeding of Pitbull dogs after a sucssesion of attacks on adults and children.
Existing Pitbulls were to be muzzled when out in the street, and the breeding of them illegal.
Now the USA is talking about doing the same.
Some say that Pitbulls are the same as any other dog, and that it is the owners who are to blame.
What do YOU think?
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| Sep 24 @ 2:11 PM |
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Loreli
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I don't want one because of little kids...better safe than sorry.
And German Shepherds rank higher up in attacks, also.
I do agree much of ANY dog's attitude is due to their training, or lack of it
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| Sep 24 @ 2:54 PM |
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CHARLIgurl1
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Yes.. In England German Shepherds were originally called Alsations.. but their names where changed because they were getting such a bad rep.
German shepherds are extremely inteligent.. Ive owned them all my life, they make wonderful family pets. Anyone can make a dog in to an aggressive dog if they teach it to be.
Pitbulls however do have more of an aggression problem, they are used for dog fighting more than any other breed because of it, BUT in the right hands they can be as docile.. and the trouble is.. they very often fall in to the WRONG hands.
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| Sep 24 @ 3:09 PM |
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theblessedone
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I'm opposed to breed-specific banning.
Unfortunately, as long as irresponsible (and uneducated) owners and breeders roam the Earth, there will continue to be attacks. The truth is, the few dogs I've known that had biting issues were small dogs. Should they be banned? Of course, that's not really a valid argument, when you're forced to compare a 3-suture flesh wound with the the loss of a limb (or worse).
If we're going to ban certain breeds of dogs, then I'll start advocating for forced sterilization of people who have demonstrated criminal or near-criminal parenting 'skills.' 
Looking beyond just the superficial question, I'm curious how much power people are willing to hand over to the government. Today. Banning certain breeds. Tomorrow. Who knows what.
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| Sep 24 @ 3:31 PM |
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redhairNfreckles
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Having owned many different breeds of dogs over the years, but never a pitbull, I can see both sides of the argument. All of the pits that I have ever been around, I've seen how they behave in homes as well as among the public, I have never seen them to be anything but sweet and loving animals. I really think many of the pit problems lies with their owners. Every breed has some reason why it was developed. Pits for fighting, greyhounds for running, terriers for hunting, Rottys for herding, all have their purpose or reason for existing. To answer the OP's question....I guess I am not in favor of banning any breed per say, but maybe with all the bad press about Pits and fewer and fewer breeders will stay in the business, the breed will be fading away on it's own.
[Edited on 9/24/2008 4:21 PM]
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| Sep 24 @ 3:39 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Once again, I admire the Netherlands (btw, Molosser is the term used to describe pit bulls):
On June 9, 2008 Minister of Agriculture, Nature and Food Quality Gerda Verburg announced the ban on Pitbulls will be canceled before the end of the year. The reason for this was that there was no reduction of biting incidents with dogs since Pit Bulls were banned. The ban was installed in 1993 after three biting incidents where three children were killed. New rules will no longer select on breed or Molosserlooks but require a behavior test for any large dog that shows signs of aggression
p.s. I have a Weimaraner/pit bull mix and a Jack Russell terrorist. I have to lock my Lucy up when the pool boy comes over (she's the terrorist) but there's never a problem with Rosie the pit bull. I've known plenty of pits, and never yet had a problem with any of them....the only dog I've ever really had trouble with was a dachshund but I wouldn't want them banned for the bad behavior of one either.
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| Sep 24 @ 7:55 PM |
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daisy315
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No breeds should be banned.. just the asswipes that train them to be mean..
the boy in the apt next to me has one and she is the sweetest creature you could ever be around.. she gets so excited when my pooch is outside and they play well together.. even my cats let her in their food bowl with them..she licks their faces like she is their momma and they just purr like a motor.. she behaves well in a car takes commands well.. never leaves the yard.. I wish she were mine too.. but I can't afford to feed another mouth 
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| Sep 24 @ 10:00 PM |
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Jalon
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Hmm...if worst came to worst, just remove their teeth. 
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| Sep 24 @ 11:51 PM |
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pamdemonium
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There's a pitbull who regularly comes to my office with her owner. She's the most gentle, loveable dog. We play a little game. I put a stuffed dog just within her reach. She waits until she thinks I can't see her take it, and carefully, and gently, lifts it from my desk and carries it around in her mouth all day. When I pet her head, she closes her eyes like she's gone to heaven. She licks my face, and though she clearly has a lot of strength in her, she's so non aggressive.
There are people who shouldn't own or breed pets. It's not the breed. It's the owner.
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| Sep 25 @ 12:24 AM |
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signme
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I agree that the owner is the root of all problems with any dog.All dogs want to please their owner, that is a dog's nature. Some owners train in a very poositive way with good reinforcements, while others use punishment to train. Many of the Michael Vick dogs are at Best Friends Animal Sanctuary. They are being rehabilitated aaand are being trained with positive reinforcements. Soon many will be ready to head for loving homes.
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| Sep 25 @ 12:27 AM |
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pamdemonium
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Many of the Michael Vick dogs are at Best Friends Animal Sanctuary. They are being rehabilitated aaand are being trained with positive reinforcements. Soon many will be ready to head for loving homes.
Wonder how Michael Vick is making out in prison.
Let's hope he can take as good as he gave. 
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| Sep 25 @ 10:18 PM |
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signme
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Actually Pam, I'm more worried about how his dogs do than how he does! 
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| Sep 25 @ 10:33 PM |
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daisy315
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Wonder how Vick would do in the dog pit with Mike Tyson? 
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| Sep 25 @ 10:34 PM |
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Carol386
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theblessedone 
Sadly, too many people fall into the crap that PETA and HSUS feed them - no breeds should be banned nor should there be mandatory spay/neuter - PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE read how horrible these two organizations are, what they stand for and why you should never, ever, ever give money to these people. Wayne has said, and is on H$U$ website - one generation and out - yes I am a dog breeder and very active in my state in working with communities not to ban specific breeds - its the owners, not the dog.
Needless to say, this is an issue I am pretty passionate about!
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| Sep 25 @ 10:44 PM |
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blueyes101
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I've been attacked by German Shepards, bulldogs, and I have a nice scar on my leg from a bite from a pitbull.
The pitbull did not attack me, I just became it's toy, while in the pen. It took months to heal.
I see them on a daily basis with huge chains being walked down the street. They are used to make their owners " appear " stronger.
I think they should at least make you get a special license, and have the dog checked out by a vet.. Any pitbull found to be unlicensed, would result in mandatory jail time. Let the fee used for the license to be put in a special fund, to pay out a dollar amount to report unlicensed pitbulls.
Then the owners would be policing themselves so to speak.
And, any dog that is great with it's owners, is usually protective, and considering the amount of force in their jaws, some type of step must be taken.
This to me would be the only way to ensure who has one, and that they are safe to have as a pet.
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| Sep 25 @ 11:08 PM |
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Carol386
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So the question then is - what is a pitbull - at least by AKC - there is no such breed - if there is no such breed, how do you determine if its a "pitbull" or not? They use everything to mix with the "pit" dogs. Who would determine if its a "bully" breed - hell, I would venture to guess that 95% of the people can't tell the difference between a bitch and a dog yet alone what "pedigree" it might have. Most communities have good laws on their books - they just need enforced. More bad laws won't help.
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| Sep 26 @ 5:26 PM |
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FunLovingGirl487
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I have had 2 sweet Pitbulls in my lifetime, and both were the most gentle, loving dogs i've EVER experienced!
I've seen vicious Golden Retrievers, and Cockerspaniels - that doesn't mean all are bad, right?
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| Sep 26 @ 6:00 PM |
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daisy315
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The only dog that ever bit me was a chihuahua.. it took weeks for my ankle to heal.
I had a basset hound that was very protective.. once, the guy I was dating grabbed my wrist and Dougall nailed him behind the knee and took him down  ( good doggie).. That guy was not allowed in my home again
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| Sep 26 @ 6:18 PM |
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Carol386
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One of my mentor's Saints didn't like my boyfriend - never was agressive to him or made any type of agressive moves - whenever my boyfriend would get up and move around - Diego was right there beside him with an ever watchful eye! I really should have listened better to Diego.
Back on topic - if you go to the CDC website, they list statistics about dog bites - in comparison, the percentage is very low. But that goes back again to who determines what a Pitbull is since its not an AKC recognized breed - which is what the CDC uses. Most people assume that medium to large mixed breed dogs are "pitbulls"
A little off topic but sorta related - folks, please don't buy into the "designer" dogs - bottom line, a mutts a mutts a mutt - you can go to your local shelter and adopt a "labradoodle" or a "puggle" - 10's of thousands of accidental breedings' puppies are there at 1/10th the cost!
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| Sep 26 @ 6:27 PM |
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daisy315
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all my critters are rescues.. I think the rescues make fantastic pets because they KNOW they were saved.. My Specks had never been outside of a house except for a couple of rides to the vet when I took her..
OT.. most of the pits that I have come in contact with were magnificent pets.. raised in loving homes.. Rotties used to scare me until my sisters neighbor got one.. when he was on his chain in front of his owners car shop, he acted viscious.. that was his job.. but when he got loose one time, and came up the road to where I was living, I thought I was gonna be dead meat.. but he was just a big bag of dog slobber..
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