| Nov 7, 2005 @ 11:47 PM |
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ME45
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[B]Hello there folks...
I want to ask opinions about if youre a teacher.. should you discipline your students or just let them do what they want to do... what I mean if they shout at you.. will you allow that. ?> I encountered chinese teachers saying .. not to mind students like that because in China.. child is a god of the family. Well, I dont know. But as a teacher.. I know I got the responsiblity to upbring my students to be better person.. Education is educationg both heart and mind.
Not only to create Individuals with talented minds but forgeting life values. I need your advice..... 
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| Nov 8, 2005 @ 5:36 AM |
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soulless_spirit
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well tell you what if i am not allowed to discipline my child in the manner some schools are allowed too ... why should i let them allow it on my kids .. a huge nononono and hitting discipline like paddle does not resolve anything ...
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| Nov 8, 2005 @ 10:16 AM |
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summersquall
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The reason kids are so out of control is because they have no discipline. As a teacher you can certainly demand respect from the children you teach and discipline them if they do not give that respect to you or abide by the rules of the class and school. This is something they need to learn anyway, if you break a law you get disciplined don't you?
What kids get away with today is just appalling, mostly because their parents simply do not discipline their children. However, I also don't think that a teacher can replace the discipline a child lacks that should be coming from the the parent.
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| Nov 9, 2005 @ 4:22 AM |
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Flatt
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You don't need to hit a kid to instill discipline. You just make sure there are consequences for their actions. The buzzword here is classroom management, because discipline is considered a bad word in education circles. It is the same thing, but teachers tend to be overly politically correct. They want to replace all words that can have a negative connotation. In America, you have to be careful how you discipline, because one offensive or demeaning word can get you fired. When I was in school it was different, but things have changed for this generation.
I am surprised at the response of the Chinese teachers saying that. I live part of the time in China, and the teachers I come accross are not like this. The stories I hear from Chinese about when they were students aren't like this either. They tell of getting hit by their teachers. The input I get from the Asians I come accross is that discipline is strong in their schools.
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| Nov 9, 2005 @ 11:31 AM |
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summersquall
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Things have changed, and for the worse. 20 years ago Highs schools provided a much better education than they do now. You didn't hear about teachers having to deal with discipline problems like you see in the papers today.
Time-outs are a joke, and the kids all know it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with disciplining a child with spanking. It is the most effective and the statistics all show that to be factual.
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| Nov 9, 2005 @ 2:02 PM |
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t_h_e_b_r_a_t
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Wow, this one really hit a nerve. Not only was my mother a teacher, I have an extensive background in Early Childhood Development. I don't think that teachers should have to deal with kids acting out. I say send them home to their parents, the ones who are supposed to raise them. Teachers are meant to teach, and those acting out disrupt the whole class, which is not fair to the other kids at all. Have those parents keep having to skip work etc, and you would THINK they would get a clue and start doing their jobs. Of course, at least here, the school gets money according to the number of kids in attendance, so I think they just let these brats get away with it so they won't lose a couple of bucks.
As a mother of two kids that have never been behavioral problems, when I went to Barbados the war was on. Over there the teachers are allowed by law to hit kids at their discretion. When I enrolled my daughter I made it clear I wouldn't tolerate it. The head teacher assured me they didn't hit kids in her school. The first day my daughter came home and told me she had lied. Went down and at the end, handed her that ruler back in two pieces. The day she dared to slap my kid for no reason at all (don't care if it was just on her arm) had that fat *^&%%$*( scampering like a rat to escape the wrath of MOMMA BEAR. That fat savage is probably still having nightmares about me, and I hope so. Oh yeah, I called her out and I figure EVERYONE heard me for three blocks. Funny how some of her staff seemed delighted that someone finally called her on her crap.
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| Nov 9, 2005 @ 2:29 PM |
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ladytosca
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I'm glad I teach in a private school. My students know that in my class things are done "decently and in order". There are clear-cut consequences for every action. I never lay a hand on my students and I do not raise my voice. 
If a student is completely out of control then they will more than likely be removed from the school. Thank heavens for private school! 
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| Nov 9, 2005 @ 2:35 PM |
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summersquall
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I think I need to clarify that I don't think teachers should be given free reign to beat students. I think any physical discipline should be done by the parents.
I do however believe that teachers have the right to demand respect and order in their classrooms and that they should be permitted the use of discipline to maintain that order.
In US public schools now, teachers walk on egg shells that they might get sued for just saying the wrong thing, let alone actually trying to maintain order in their classrooms.
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| Nov 9, 2005 @ 2:54 PM |
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buni
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I got paddled by teachers in school all the time when I was a kid...and there is nothing wrong with me....  
I think parents need to discipline their kids better that way the teachers don't have to deal with the problems. The only thing about that is now even parents cannot spank a child because all the kid has to do is scream abuse and the authorities all go rushing in...
There were many less problems back in the 50s and 60s wasn't there?....kids were still taught respect and were disciplined and the 'authorities' didnt' go berserk when a kid got spanked.
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| Nov 9, 2005 @ 7:01 PM |
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t_h_e_b_r_a_t
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hehehehehe there are a lot better ways to get through to your kid than spanking. Mine tow the line and I have never laid a hand on them. I do things like...
Oh, you wanna try and disrespect me? Fine. Mommy showed up at her bus stop to pick her up that day, and when she got out of the car, every kid in the bus saw me standing there in way over sized footed pajamas complete with embossed teddy bears on them. She learned that if she isn't going to have consideration for my feelings, I can play that game too, and a whole lot better. The time my teenager told me he might not graduate because he couldnt' get up for school in time. Next morning, when he slept through his alarm, I was there with a pitcher of ice water to get him going. Yeah his bed was soaked, but he graduated and is now in college going for his Masters Degree. You would be amazed at how something like that can get their attention.
Yeah, I know, all us artists are nuts. But it works.
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| Nov 9, 2005 @ 7:06 PM |
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summersquall
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I don't know that those methods are any better or any worse, they are just different. Paddles worked pretty well in my family without any ill effects...
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| Nov 9, 2005 @ 7:28 PM |
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buni
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 That's the way to do it brat!!  
Do something that they will remember more than a spanking...
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| Nov 9, 2005 @ 7:43 PM |
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carries114
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I think that the actions of children is not only lack of discipline. it is lack of attention.
Today at work I watched a little girl cry for almost 2 hours while her mother shopped (i work at a craft store).
The child was maybe 2. The child cried to be picked up and sat on the floor crying.
I ask you...what is the attention span of a 2 year old.
It was more important that this woman got just the right scrapbook paper than to stop for two seconds and consider her child.
I was not hit as a child and I turned out just fine.
I am not a crazy anti-spank person, but I do not think that it is neccesarry to use corperal punishment when raising a child. My parents chose to just talk to me instead and I am all the better for it. I can talk to my parents about anything and it is all because they took the "time".
I think that today parents are so concerned with raising the "perfect" citizen that they try to over-extend their children. They have them in soccer,cheerleading, choir,tennis, etc. Anything to try and make it easier in this popularity contest we call adulthood for their child to thrive. Its seems like its more about raising a child to survive in this mean world of sharks than it is about raising a good and decent human being. (after all, the good and decent tend to get stepped on and no parent wants to see their child hurt).
I think that alot of children's behavior is simply just a result of the world getting tougher. The little brats are just gonna have to get tougher in it.
Its sad but true.
If anything...I would focus less on physical discipline and more on love and attention and patience.
furthermore...if a child shouts at the teacher, hits a teacher, threatens a teacher, etc.....it isnt going to do any good for the teacher to discipline the child if the learning and discipline isnt instilled at home.
thats my view... im a 23 year old female by the way....no children, but i have 7 nieces and nephews ranging in ages of:
13months, 4,5,7,8,14,and 15.
sorry i wrote so much.
childwelfare is something i am very passionate about. My father was adopted at age 7 and he still has the scars across his back from being "disciplined" the "christian" way. It kills me to watch his face turn when he mentions his so called parents. Hard to see a grown man of almost 60 cry. He has also had horrible back and spine problems throughout his lifetime.
anyway..thats my thoughts on the topic.
carrie
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| Nov 9, 2005 @ 8:01 PM |
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summersquall
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childwelfare is something i am very passionate about. My father was adopted at age 7 and he still has the scars across his back from being "disciplined" the "christian" way. It kills me to watch his face turn when he mentions his so called parents. Hard to see a grown man of almost 60 cry. He has also had horrible back and spine problems throughout his lifetime.
Sorry for his experience Carrie but what you describe is neither discipline or the Christian way. It is child abuse, plain and simple.
My siblings enjoy the same closeness with our parents that you describe yet my mom kept one of those wooden paddles under the kitchen sink. 5 kids in the family and we could hear that kitchen cabinet door open down the street. My parents love us all very much and they sacrificed everything in order to give us all the best they could. We all love them, and yet every one of us felt that paddle at least a couple times growing up.
There is a big difference between physical discipline and abuse, but today people would have you believe that raising your voice to a child is abusive. I'll take the loving family and occasional paddle when deserved any-day over the time-outs and overly protective zealots that are trying to dictate to parents how they need to raise their children.
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| Nov 9, 2005 @ 8:04 PM |
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kattsmeow
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I agree Summersquall.
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| Nov 9, 2005 @ 8:42 PM |
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buni
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I agree with summer too. 
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| Nov 9, 2005 @ 10:48 PM |
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zestful
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Teachers have to discipline children.How can you teach respect in school if you dont have it in your classroom?
The remedy for undisciplinary kids has nothing to do with a paddle,strap or a belt.The only teachers that I never crossed in school were the ones that had a line drawn that demanded respect.Those that didnt? Should not have been teaching.
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| Nov 10, 2005 @ 6:15 AM |
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carries114
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my thoughts on my fathers upbringing was just something i had to put out there....it was a small topic compared to what i wrote in the top paragraphs.
i know the difference betwen discipline and beating....and i still believe that people need to focus more on being attentive and patient and spending time with their children than worrying about them not getting enough discipline.
and i do believe that unless parents raise a child correctly that no amount of "discipline" from a teacher is going to fix the problem. It may help the teacher out in the short term, but ultimately the problem will be the child thinking, "well, if i can go home and get away with it than my parents obviously dont care if i do it at school".
like i said...i was never hit as form of discipline..but i guess my parents were also lucky enough to have 3 children that simply learned from their mistakes, therefor they didnt need to resort to much other discipline.
In my family it was more like...we loved our parents and respected them so much for the people that they were that we simply did not want to dissapoint them.
If a child respects you, they will not want to dissapoint you, that is why children should want to be "good". not because they fear or dread the discipline, whether it be physical, or grounding, time out, etc.
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| Nov 10, 2005 @ 9:55 AM |
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summersquall
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Carries, I fully agree that a teacher cannot replace the discipline that a child needs from their parents.
What I do want to make clear is that physical discipline is not a bad thing. Parents that have the practice of using physical discipline (when necessary) are not bad parents. There is no harm done to the children. There also isn't anyone that should have the authority to tell parents how they can or cannot discipline their children.
I shouldn't have to repeat that this would of course exclude any type of physical abuse.
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| Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:03 AM |
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t_h_e_b_r_a_t
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Parents who feel the need to use physical violence against their children are teaching them that violence is the way to solve things.
Parents who actually take the time and effort to communicate with their children, don't have to.
I have worked with thousands of kids for about 35 years, and been trained in childhood development and psychology. And yes, I have seen the results of both methods time and again. For the most part, the kids who are treated like people do turn into more mature, responsible, and respectful people.
The only reason for parents to start swinging is because they just don't know any better, or just aren't mature enough to control their own anger.
We had the paddle when I was a kid. Had a very negative affect. We learned to hide things, lie, anything to avoid a beating. My kids I talk to, and they are allowed to express their opinions and feelings, as long as they do it in a respectful way. Neither have EVER been a discipline problem for teachers, sitters, coaches, etc. As a matter of fact, parents have thanked me for letting their kids play with mine, because mine are such a good influence.
But you have to start from day one, and always say what you mean and mean what you say.
I just hope that people will some day get it through their heads that if you aren't going to take the time to actually RAISE your kids, and put in the required effort to TEACH the, shouldn't be having them. It's a big job that a lot of people don't take seriously enough.
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