| Jan 3, 2006 @ 7:32 PM |
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Technologic
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I'm sick of seeing the commercials as they plague the TV 24/7.
Everybody knows the FDA is getting kickbacks from these big drug companies but no one does anything about it. Now that Pfizer's Liptor is under the gun for false claims I wonder when is someone going to get off their butt and do something about it. The pure madness of drug companies flooding the market with old west style miracle cures is going killing us all.
With most drugs the side effects alone seem to overwhelm the actual benefits with bad reactions.
UPDATE: I forgot to mention that Doctors get monies from certain drugs they prescribe. It's a disgustingly vicious cycle.
A doctor once said to me...
"Doctors don't cure anything. They treat the problem."
[Edited on 1/3/2006 8:02 PM]
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| Jan 3, 2006 @ 7:34 PM |
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spongebob777
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If your erection lasts more than 4 hours seek a doctors attention immediately. 
[Edited on 1/3/2006 7:36 PM]
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| Jan 3, 2006 @ 7:55 PM |
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DEVIL_U_KNOW
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ah the wonders of modern medicine. can't even cure the common cold, but they can tell you why you pee'd the bed when you were 7. the drug companies make money off the sick. case in point. why cure the disease when you make more by just providing a placebo that will take some of the affects away.
i mean they can come up with a pill that makes a man hard again but yet they can't even cure the simplest of things like a headache.
they need an enima to clean out their pockets and start curing things again. 
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| Jan 3, 2006 @ 8:41 PM |
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raykl
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"If your erection lasts more than 4 hours seek a doctors attention immediately"
I'd rather seek more women immediately!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Jan 3, 2006 @ 9:10 PM |
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stormy73
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My best friend is a doctor, and I've mentioned to him before about how I thnk the drug companies are corrupt. You wouldn't believe the "perks" my best friend gets from the drug reps... dinners, theatre tickets, CDs lunch for him and all his employees... and do you think HE would turn any of this down? Let's be realistic.
All these "perks" translate into HIGHER drug costs! I have another friend who, along with at least a dozen other doctors and P.A.s, were taken on a fishing junket! Unbelievable.  
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| Jan 3, 2006 @ 9:25 PM |
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MischeviousAngel
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I still want to know what man is going to complain about an erection that lasts more than 4 hours....  
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| Jan 3, 2006 @ 9:30 PM |
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DEVIL_U_KNOW
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I wouldn't be complaining one bit
now melts on the other hand may have something to say about it
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| Jan 3, 2006 @ 9:38 PM |
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Technologic
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You'd better take care of your "Junk".
Web excerpt:
Erections lasting longer than 4-6 hours are associated with permanent erection problems. It has been estimated that priapism of 24 hours duration is associated with an approximately 50% incidence of permanent erectile dysfunction. When such a patient presents to their internists/family physician¹s office or the emergency department, a urologist should be notified immediately and urgent steps should be taken to classify the type of priapism and emergency treatment initiated.
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| Jan 3, 2006 @ 9:50 PM |
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waiting41
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Tech, you also forgot to mention the new Medicare prescription drug plan........in my opinion the biggest farce yet to come out of the Bush whitehouse.
While he claims it is for the elderly, it is really all about billions of our taxes going to the drug companies that own him.
Under state medicaid programs the drugs were discounted from companies, but, not so under Medicare.
I know many people disabled and elderly whose Medicaid has been terminated due to this program and their costs are now going to be outrageous. Not to go into all the details, but, for example, after their drugs reach $2250 they are required to pay $5000 out of pocket.  These are poor people who were getting drugs free through Medicaid.
Sorry to get off topic.........this issue infuriates Waiting. 
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| Jan 3, 2006 @ 10:37 PM |
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buni
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It infuriates me too! I know way too many people this affects.
I also hate it that those drug reps give the doctors all of those samples to test out on patients! Patients are not guinea pigs!!
Doctors make thousands of dollars sometimes for prescribing those meds and some don't care if it hurts the patient or not.
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| Jan 4, 2006 @ 11:12 AM |
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lecriveuse
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the fda doesn't have a clue; hence, all these "safe" meds r being pulled off the shelves when ppl r permanently harmed or killed by this crap. companies shouldnt be allowed to make an obscence profit for medications because this is a matter of health. i never believed the "funneling back for research". and foo on them for ppl seeking cheaper medication via other countries. they're not concerned about anyone's health; its retribution for cutting into profits and perks!
i check doctors who try to make me a user; i tell them to cure the disease -- not mask the symptoms. if they want to see drugs, they'd better stand on the corner like the rest of the pushers.
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| Jan 4, 2006 @ 11:37 AM |
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summersquall
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Perks to Doctors?
Complaining about this is like complaining about the little wave that just knocked over your sandcastle while the ocean roars in for high tide.
The Director for maintenance at a large national chain store gets taken out for a night on the town, wined and dined, gets sent on get-away vacations with his wife (or without) so that he gives out a big fat contract for cleaning services at all their stores nationwide to the company wining and dining them. Shame on them! That's why my widget costs so much!
Welcome to corporate America, whatever it takes to develop a relationship with a decisonmaker who is in a position to hand out lucrative contracts will continue to be how people do business, no matter how much anyone cries foul. It has nothing to do with drugs. It's simply the accepted, practiced business model.
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| Jan 4, 2006 @ 8:36 PM |
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buni
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so...we can still complain if we feel like it. Things are unfair sometimes and people need to vent.
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| Jan 5, 2006 @ 1:08 AM |
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lecriveuse
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perhaps the rumblings will initiate change. we can be hopeful. 
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| Jan 5, 2006 @ 10:47 AM |
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t_h_e_b_r_a_t
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Don't know what more I can do to combat them than I already am. I refuse meds that I KNOW are crap, which most are. My body rejects crap that is knows should't be there LOL. Not even morphine has any affect. I am an herbalist, and there are very few routine maladies that can't be handled with them. (Sure, a broken bone still gets the ER.) I have also done my best to educate others on how to use them.
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| Jan 5, 2006 @ 11:23 AM |
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pktchg919
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Stormy
Having been in the Insurance field for MANY years, I too have a bit of insight into this matter. Stormy, you're right about the perks and things. Look at the clock on the wall, who sponsored it?? Look at the pens who sponsored them??? The note pads??? Yhe clip boards??? Etc., etc. I worked with a lady whose meds for a certain medical condition was around $1500 for a months Rx. Her doctor webnt to the medicine closet and gave her MANY "samples" of the drug. The lasy told me the doctor had enough on hand to supply 5 of her for about three years. That's a bit overboard.
Waiting
'Care is a Federal program and 'Caid is a State program. MOST states are finacially strapped and this is a MAJOR bleed for the state. In most states, 'Caid only covers a certain amount of Rx each month and not the complete Rx regime for the person. As for the $2250 cap to the 'donought hole' , there are companies that offer help through it. You hve to be willing to do your homework. We've gotten into such complacency that we are no longer willing to take a bit of responsibility and do the research ourselves. You can blame Bush, the Drug Companies or anyone else you want BUT the simple fact remains, it's bette than what was previously there.......nothing!!! People, in general, NEVER take 5 minutes to ask questions about their meds the doctor prescribes. The y just accept their script, get it filled and then bitch about this or that. There are a MULTITUDE of generics and other named meds in the sub-class of Rx prescribed but no one seems to want to question the doctor for a cheaper alternative. I've also heard the worn out line "I've tried the generics and the didn't work" or "I had an adverse reaction to it." I find that utter B.S.!!!!! The mind is the MOST POWERFUL thing we have and if you think a certain thing will not work, then chances are it won't. The FDA MANDATES that a generic perorm the SAME as it's brand counterpart and the ONLY difference is the inactive (filler) drugs. Go to Wal-mart and look at the box for Claritan and then look at Wal-marts Equate version......SAME active ingredients and performs the SAME function only the pill is smaller. Also, why is it when Claritan was prescribed, it was the BEST THING since sliced bread but now that it OTC and the EXACT SAME as it ws before, it's no longer good enough??????
We went hrough 8 years of nothing being 'my' responsibility to it being someone(thing) else's problem or cause to my grief/problem. We MUST get back to personal responsibilityand take charge of our lives and not let someone (Doctor) rule it as if they are the all knowing. Year before last, 8 of the top 10 meds prescribed, where the most advertised on TV. It goes back to the "If you perpetuate a lie long enough, it becomes the truth." We went through the B.S. meds of ADD/ADHD for kids, then to adults and now we're at the point of men having 'problems' with getting it up. There are some who truely have a medical condition BUT, there are a majority who do not. The commercials are placed to get you into the doc's office and have you request THAT drug. Don't belive me???? Stay home one day and watch and entire day of regular station TV. In the mornings and early afternoon, it's meds for the elderly or aged. Mid-day on, it's for the women. And on sports days or shows focused on male things, it's impotence drugs. My "Carknack" though is that the next wave of meds will be for women who have intimacy problems.....same as us men not being able to get it up. EVERYONE goes through a time when "it" doesn't want to work/cooperate and that's normal but the commercials have us convinced that we now have a medical condition and we go and ask for the Rx to help with our 'problem.'
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| Jan 5, 2006 @ 11:54 AM |
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waiting41
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 You aren't telling me anything I don't know
You aren't saying anything I don't agree with for the most part.
What is the point you are trying to make to me? Someone very dear to me is suddenly having to pay a huge portion of "shared cost" in California and it is affecting ADAP benefits tremendously all these "programs" that were suppossedly going to help.......well, everyone you call gives you a different answer and believe me I have done my research. Don't lecture me about personal responsibility. You don't even know me. I am a proud user of Equate brand products. Welcome to the forums cutie! 
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| Jan 5, 2006 @ 9:41 PM |
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pktchg919
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waiting......I wasn't lecturing you about personal responsibility but society as a whole. This new system is far from perfect but it's also a lot BETTER than what was there for the system as a whole. Otherwise, the system was in for a very soon and quick collapse under it's own weight of burdeon that it produced itself. Unfortunately, some wll not fare as well and others will fare better. The only thing you can do is look into EVERY plan available, consider the other Rx's offered in that subclass, change AS MANY to generic to prolong reaching the $2250 and purcase the meds at Sam's or Costco (BELIVE me, they are at least 1/3 to 1/2 less then even Wal-Mart.)
Thanks for the welcome beautiful.
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| Jan 6, 2006 @ 10:36 PM |
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waiting41
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Thanks, but, the person I am concerned about will reach his $2250 the first month, second at best. Researched every plan yadda, yadda, yadda........it's really a mess and they say it will probably all be different for 2007
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| Jan 7, 2006 @ 1:16 PM |
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akfitter
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fact!- - - 180,000people die every year from taking perscrption as perscribed!- - - does that tell ya anything??
2000 of those die from taking ibp(advil and the like)- as perscribed!- (cer.of the liver) - - - - all of these drugs are nothing but hard chemicals to our body- - - -
at the end of ww2- the nazi's put all thier money into these companys- - - so did they really win the war?- - - since these drugs kill us every day??>- - - - !!
will make this statement- they don't want to cure anything!!- - the elite of the world want to get rid of 85% of the world population!- - - - if you take issue with this statement - check out this on google- - prince phillp- and his return as a killer virus- - - - there's lots of other statements like that- - - check - - the georgia guild stones- - - yea that right they want the popu. to be around 500,000,000- - instead of 6 plus billion- - - - - - - they are killing us every day with these drugs and other things that help these drugs to kill us - - like chemtrails- - flu-vac's- floridein your water- - - and the list goes on- - - and on!
oh and by the way - - with the passing of cafta- - - - there is a provison in there that takes away all of the supplemental produces of the self of our stores- - - you'll see that come later- - - but it's there.- - - - -
- - - so ask your-self - - - why would our leaders want to take all of the vitimins off the self!!!???????- - - - - - - - answer - they want us to be sickly and then eventuailly die - - - but not after we have given billions of dollars to the drug com's!!!- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - will stop there before i get preturbed - - - more!!!! 
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