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waiting41
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I SINCERELY HOPE THIS DOES NOT TURN INTO A HUGE FIGHT DUE TO THE NATURE OF THIS TOPIC!!!! PLEASE RESPECT OTHERS OPINIONS!!!!
I'm listening to the Alito hearings and it brought this up.
I consider MYSELF to be extrememly liberal with THIS exception. I am very pro-life (also against the death-penalty).
It is just MY belief that God brought me into this world and only HE can take me out.
I don't believe taking away a womans choice is the answer to this problem, however, I feel it goes far deeper than that, especially where teenage pregnancies are involved.
I am a big believer in personal responsibiliy. If a grown woman makes this choice......I PERSONALLY believe there is absolutely no excuse for this.
Those are just some of my thoughts and I try to remain open-minded on these things......I haven't always felt this way, and may not in the future. 
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| Jan 11, 2006 @ 11:19 AM |
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beachnutRU
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Waiting waiting waiting......(entering calmly)
I can no more tell a woman what to do with her body than the "man in the moon". I would hope to be a part of the decision making process if that event happened. A decision was made to do terminate a pregnance (young and dumb disease) a lot earlier in my life as a teenager and didn't know the girl well and I have no idea the outcome except I would have had a 40' ish son or daughter now. I feel bad about that still.
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| Jan 11, 2006 @ 11:20 AM |
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Mischief484
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I am very pro-life (also against the death-penalty).
I am exactly the same way. To me, all life is sacred.
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| Jan 11, 2006 @ 11:22 AM |
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kattsmeow
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In this day and age, there is no reason for a woman to get pregnant unless she wants to. Even if she is very poor, she can still get birth control.
Ok, I do understand about rape, and how that might be a reason for an abortion.
Personal responsibility!!!
I do not believe in abortion.
I also believe that the goverment should not have a say in what I do with my body either.
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| Jan 11, 2006 @ 11:23 AM |
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torees121
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Well I feel to each his/her own. If that is right for them then so be it. I guess that makes me pro-choice. I don't think abortion should be used as birth control, yet if someone does do that..well not much I can do about it.
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| Jan 11, 2006 @ 11:23 AM |
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Pete73052
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I absolutely hate abortion, but I am pro-choice because I feel that decision is the mother's to make. I think someone who makes the decision to abort a fetus has to live with that decision - just like someone who decides to take a human life for whatever reason has to live with it. The legal issue is not as important to me as the moral one. We can legally kill people. Can we morally kill people?
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| Jan 11, 2006 @ 11:26 AM |
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torees121
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there is no reason for a woman to get pregnant unless she wants to.
Katt I understand your point, but that is not true. Nothing except abstinence is 100%. Also even at planned parenthood birth control pills range from $13-$20 per pack and they are not 100% effective. If a woman takes an antibiotic it can counter against the pill, and if she has sex she will be pregnant.
Also there are teens that know NOTHING about birth control (how to use it properly, where to get it, transportation to get it, etc). I know it is a parents responsibility, but come on..these parents don't even make their kids go to school further more talk about sex and prevention.
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| Jan 11, 2006 @ 11:35 AM |
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Graystar
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I see it from a technical viewpoint. We “pull the plug” on people all the time who are brain dead but their bodies are still able to function. We do this because we believe that whatever it is that makes a person a person, is gone. I feel the same way with the unborn child. Until there is significant brain activity, it’s not a person yet. Up until that point I think it’s okay to abort. However, once brain activity has started then that’s a real person and abortion would be murder. There is good evidence that a 24 week old fetus does not have significant brain activity.
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| Jan 11, 2006 @ 11:36 AM |
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kattsmeow
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Torres, Did I mention I needed more coffee before I posted??
Yes, you are right in all of what you said. I am now in the situation with a young girl that is my sons "girlfriend". Sigh, I can't seem to get it through BOTH of their heads to go a see what they can get from the Health departments. I know you can get free condems by the hand fulls( where they live).
If you don't have insurance, you can "donate" some money for some kind of birth control too.
Yes, I too got pregnant taking birth control pills and wow, no one told me about the antibiotics untill it was too late.
 Torres!!!! Sigh, would you like to talk to my son????  
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| Jan 11, 2006 @ 11:37 AM |
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waiting41
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Okay, I'm going to share my little story here.
In November 2003, let's just say a less than pleasant experience happened to me and it resulted in a pregnancy.
The obvious answer in some of my friends eyes was abortion.
Not in mine. Even though I did not "choose" this.
Then adoption was brought up and I couldn't imagine it.
I discussed it with my 15 year old daughter........one of the more difficult things in my life.......she began to cry.......so did I.......she looked up at me and said, "Mommy, I've always wanted a baby sister".
Today she has a beautiful baby sister who is 17 months old who has brought SO much joy to our lives and the three of us are an incredibly happy family. I would not trade my baby daughter for anything on this earth and she is truly Gods gift to me for making what some would consider a difficult choice........for me there was no choice in the matter. My Grace deserved a chance at life.
Funny, I did not even think of this when I started this thread. 
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| Jan 11, 2006 @ 11:48 AM |
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kattsmeow
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Waiting,,I am beginning to think we are alot alike. Thank you for that wonderful insite into your private life.
Graystar,,,I might be wrong here, but I do believe the brain is one of the first organs to start forming.
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| Jan 11, 2006 @ 11:49 AM |
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beachnutRU
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I appreciate that story waiting. On a lighter side......when your daughter is ready for college you will be approximately 118 years old according to your profile.....Guiness material.  
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| Jan 11, 2006 @ 11:51 AM |
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waiting41
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Katt, actually I just came back to edit that whole post, but it's too late now.......the whole forum would be messed up
Graystar, stop making up stuff that you know nothing about. Read the textbooks silly. Life begins at conception.
I know beech, but, my teenageer always jokes and says she's glad there is someone else to take care of me in my old age now. Imagine what it was like starting that countdown over again if you were me......Years left......18, 17,......
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| Jan 11, 2006 @ 12:02 PM |
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Mischief484
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Nothing except abstinence is 100%
Vasectomy is pretty dang close...
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| Jan 11, 2006 @ 12:06 PM |
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Pete73052
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Life begins at conception.
How is that determination made? What constitutes an individual life? A formation of cells or the capacity for consciousness? These are difficult questions and some of have more to do with spiritual concepts than scientific fact.
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| Jan 11, 2006 @ 12:11 PM |
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Rinimer2003
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Waiting... kudo's for your choice - not an easy one to make, I am sure...but wow!!!! Funny how the most unplanned things often turn out to be the greatest blessings!!! She will keep you young for a long time!!
Enjoy!!!!
Sara
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| Jan 11, 2006 @ 12:16 PM |
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Graystar
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Yes, waiting.
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| Jan 11, 2006 @ 12:17 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Pete: There is an egg, then this little thingy comes in contact with it and Wow,,,,,it starts growing. So, life begins.
I am not going to arue my points, I love reading everyones comments on this and I am sure we are grownup enough not to start a "flaming" post huh? Love to you all.
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| Jan 11, 2006 @ 12:18 PM |
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danae74
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Well, I'm pretty strongly pro-choice. We've probably all heard all the arguments before, but I'll add this: women have always performed elective abortion, since the beginning of recorded history. In the eras in which the powers that be sought more control over the reproductive cycle, unwanted babies were disposed of after begin born instead (thrown over cliffs, left on hillsides to die, placed in overcrowded orphanages, etc.). The traditional drugs & methods used to induce abortion, while still easily obtainable, are not nearly as reliable or safe as the modern procedures; babies born with birth defects are very common after these procedures, as is death in the mother.
Is it right? I don't know; I think that every woman has to come to terms with that herself. But it's a fact of human life, and as such requires a very balanced and rational ongoing discussion in legislative terms. That's all I ever hope for in any legislative faction: balanced, reasonable discussion. It's a lot to hope for, I know, but... 
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| Jan 11, 2006 @ 12:18 PM |
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waiting41
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Pete, recognize the sarcasm please Graystars post made no sense.
Thank you Sara.....the funny thing was.....I never questioned it for a minute. And there's no looking back. She is amazing.
I'm with Katt. I know this is a divided subject. But, I respect everyones opionions, especially since I don't think it's all about laws and politics. In MY opinion, teenagers don't always have responsible parents. They need more support more than anyone on this issue.
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