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| Sep 27 @ 5:07 PM |
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blueyes101
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Lisa Snyder, a neighbor who was reported to the Department of Human Services for letting local kids come over in the mornings before school (Sept. 24, 2009)
MIDDLEVILLE, Mich. (WOOD) - Three sets of Middleville parents have been leaving their children with a neighbor for a short period of time on school mornings as the kids wait for the school bus. The woman watches the three children free of charge so the parents can leave for work.
But the Michigan Department of Human Services has ordered for the arrangement to stop, saying for it to continue, the neighbor would have to become a licensed daycare facility.
"I think it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of, actually," said Lisa Snyder, the neighbor.
She lives at the corner house on Thornbird Drive in Middleville. By default, her corner is the bus stop this year. When Snyder's friends found out the stop was at her house, they found it convenient to drop off their kids before heading to work.
"I'm fortunate to be a stay-at-home mom," Snyder said. "(My friends) have to work, so I'm helping them out. I don't see any injust in that.
Aren't we supposed to all help each other out in this world?"
It was another neighbor who filed the complaint against Snyder and reported the situation to the department.
Snyder was shocked to learn what she was doing is illegal. According to Act 116 of 1973, a childcare facility is any place where children are kept for less than 24 hours for at least two consecutive weeks. Because Snyder isn't licensed, it's illegal for her to have neighborhood kids at her home.
"I am helping two of my friends out," Snyder said. "My friends who are like family. Our kids play together everyday. It's just sad that this is the law, and it needs to be changed."
She found out she was breaking the law after receiving a letter from the department. It warned her to stop what she was doing or face fines and possible jail time.
So, she called the department to try and clear things up.
"I said, 'this is a bus stop.' And they said, 'are these kids coming in?' And I said, 'well, if it rains, yes, I'm not gonna let them stand outside to get wet -- that's ridiculous,' and she said, 'tell their parents to buy an umbrella,' " Snyder said.
State Rep. Brian Calley, R-Portland, calls it an extreme case of government intrusion or maybe "big-mother tactics."
He is working on legislation to ensure parents can make these types of arrangements for their children without having to jump through hoops.
Calley's bill would make Michigan residents who agree to babysit a nondependent child exempt from daycare rules as long as they are not engaged in a child case business.
"My bill basically allows Michigan residents to be good neighbors," he said.
Gov't run amok......  
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| Sep 27 @ 5:16 PM |
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Jalon
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Ya, the only criminal involved is the neighbor who reported her. I'd like to know the circumstances that lead to the reporting. Were cars frequently blocking the neighbor's driveway during drop off? Were the kids (or parents) loud and/or disruptive to the neighborhood? I guess I'm just wondering what the other side of the story is!
I don't think by any stretch of the imagination that Snyder is running a day care. A day care involves an exchange of money for services rendered...otherwise, the "sitter" is just being a pal.
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| Sep 27 @ 5:35 PM |
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signme
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Oh good grief! Don't people have anything better to do than spy on their neibhbors' activities. Letting the kids in the house if it's raining while they wait for the bus is NOT day care. Watching them stand on the corner while they wait is also NOT day care.
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| Sep 27 @ 5:55 PM |
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blueyes101
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I saw this story last week on the news.... the homes were very nice, in a quiet neighborhood, with large driveways and sidewalks, the homes were maybe 20 years old or less. this is a very small town, with ( my guess ) less than a 1-2000 kids in the whole school system.
Video of story.
I only bring this up, because the intrusion of gov't and their stupid rules has been on my mind a lot in the past few months.
Federal,state and local laws are set up to protect us, but not protect us from ourselves. And some feel the need to give them more control over our lives, to make it better..... 
My guess is........... the neighbor who called, was a licensed daycare provider, or how else would she know the law?
God I love living in the middle of now where, with neighbors who are very dear friends who would do anything at all to help each other..
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| Sep 27 @ 5:56 PM |
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Danger
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thanks for posting this! i am a daycare provider...and it pisses me off that the state/government has to say what we can and can't do all the time. i KNOW there has to be rules and such, but this is way too much!
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| Sep 27 @ 6:05 PM |
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Jankia
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But the Michigan Department of Human Services has ordered for the arrangement to stop, saying for it to continue, the neighbor would have to become a licensed daycare facility.
If thats the case in Michigan then all parents should be forced to be licensed school bus drivers so they can bring the neighbors kid home after basketball practice when they bring home there own kids.
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| Sep 27 @ 6:10 PM |
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signme
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Good point, Jankia! 
And I should have to be a licensed nurse because I actually put band-aids on my kids in class sometimes! And also a psychologist as I'm forced to try to delve into their minds during the school year to find out what they're thinking. And the list could go on and on and on...
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| Sep 27 @ 6:32 PM |
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blueyes101
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Not trying to change the course of the thread, but in your own mind, please consider what gov't health care could bring....... 
Then consider this logic, applied to a bus stop in front of a friends home......
I said, 'this is a bus stop.' And they said, 'are these kids coming in?' And I said, 'well, if it rains, yes, I'm not gonna let them stand outside to get wet -- that's ridiculous,' and she said, 'tell their parents to buy an umbrella,' " Snyder said.
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| Sep 27 @ 8:25 PM |
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Loreli
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please consider what gov't health care could bring....... 
That sh!t belongs in politics
I think this is ridiculous.
I better warn my neighbor that does pre school care for 15 minutes M-F
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| Sep 27 @ 11:21 PM |
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blueyes101
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Well, this is the general forum.....
Besides, a year ago health care was just health care, now it's politics. Not because I said so, because the gov't made it that way.
I also asked everyone who read this to consider it in their own mind. Not make it a public debate.
It was meant as a " something to think about " kind of thing.
I think it's good for folks to think about things without having to venture into the poli threads to do so. 
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| Sep 28 @ 10:11 AM |
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Jalon
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I dunno...I think thinking is over rated. 
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| Sep 29 @ 5:58 PM |
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blueyes101
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Apparently the story man the Today show.....
It was explained, that you can leave your kids at friends house, but if you leave home( while they are there) , then it is considered daycare, and DHS have the right to over see it, and charge you with a crime....
This is all about being able to tax you. not the actual care of the kids.
They do not have the time to check into every daycare, but they do have the time to tax you on possible extra income....
No money was involved. Just friends neighbors and taking care of kids.... WTF ???
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| Sep 29 @ 6:02 PM |
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Angel178
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I have more children in my house for a sleep over. Should I have a state license for that also?
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| Sep 29 @ 6:30 PM |
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redhairNfreckles
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I'm always willing to feed anyone who happens to drop by the house.
I'm always cooking up goodies for the grandkids too.
So do I need the Health Dept. to come check out my kitchen and give me a Certificate of Cleanliness.... 
Wouldn't surprise me a bit, if even that will be an issue someday, with someone..
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| Sep 29 @ 7:08 PM |
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BandTMom
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It's BS. When the government starts telling us when we can have friends and friends' children "visit" then that is stepping over the line.
If no money is being exchanged, it's not daycare. It's a friend visiting a friend.
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