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Aug 31, 2010 @ 8:35 PM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
Nightowl001


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because no one remembers such an event, or anything about being on-hand for the birth of a president.
On hand for the birth of a president? What nonsense. John-John Kennedy's, born to a President, a member of a political dynasty, may very well be the only birth at which there may have been a very real sense they were witnessing the "birth of a president."

How many of us at the age of 45, not the children of celebrities, could find anyone outside of first degree family members still living who actually "remembers" the event of our birth?

There were, however, noteworthy particulars about Obama's birth. One lady, Barbara Nelson, related such:
“I may be the only person left who specifically remembers his birth. His parents are gone, his grandmother is gone, the obstetrician who delivered him is gone,” said Nelson, referring to Dr. Rodney T. West, who died in February at the age of 98.

Here’s the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: “‘So, tell me something interesting that happened this week,’” she recalls. His response: “Well, today, Stanley had a baby.

Now that’s something to write home about.” The new mother was Stanley (later referred to by her middle name of Ann) Dunham, and the baby was Barack Hussein Obama. “I penned the name on a napkin, and I did write home about it,” said Nelson, knowing that her father, Stanley A. Czurles, director of the Art Education Department at Buffalo State College, would be interested in the “Stanley” connection.
Stanley had a baby

One more link the chain of evidence the birthers refuse to accept.
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Aug 31, 2010 @ 10:20 PM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
Suthn_Man


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You need to read more of your own resources and their associated links Owl.

First:

May 8, 2010
Hospitals in Hawaii to Obama: You Were Not Born Here! (Article)

The Queen’s Medical Center (Where Obama says he was born).
Obama and Mom Never Here
1301 Punchbowl Street Honolulu, HI 96813

After it was concluded that Obama and his mother were never there, his sister was in an interview (Mary) and claimed that Obama was born at:

Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children –
Obama and Mom Never Here

1319 Punahou Street Honolulu, Hawaii 96826

Hospital after Hospital – all Have No Record of Obama being born or Mom Ever being There.

More >>

Second: (In reference to your claims)

Well, today, Stanley had a baby
Posted on February 27, 2009 by NBC

The following news story seems to have been largely ignored. Some sites have suggested that the timing of Barbara Nelson’s testimony should be considered suspicious and that since the major players are all dead, the story cannot be verified.

More >>

Nice try though. You ARE pretty determined alright.

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Aug 31, 2010 @ 10:35 PM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
burnslikethesun


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lol nice try?
your failure to grip reality has nothing to do with the mans efforts.
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Aug 31, 2010 @ 10:40 PM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
Suthn_Man


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The truth hurts you lefties where it counts, doesn't it burns?

Sad that you can only speculate, and deal in rumors, since that's all you've ever got.

Try bringing some meat to the table for once.

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Aug 31, 2010 @ 10:55 PM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
1RockinDude


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The mans effort ? what would that be ? Touring the world telling everyone he is sorry for what America has done, Bow to other leaders, trying to catch up with Bush in vacation time, Pushing a Health Care Plan the majority do not wont, Nobel Peace Prize...he won that..lol, adding trillions of dollars to the debt,the mighty stimilus,bringing in millions of jobs..I wish !!
Just give me my God, my country, my freedom..and they can keep the change !

Really what has been his effort..what has he done ? 8 years of Bush..now him..
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Aug 31, 2010 @ 11:03 PM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
burnslikethesun


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Im a righty. Just not your kind of righty.


Wow theres so many blind spots in both ya posted arguments that I just don't know where to begin.
So, Ill just mark it up to cheap, since its free, entertainment.

( my personal fav, catching up to dabba on vaction time. )

If ya don't see it, I cant point it out to ya.

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Aug 31, 2010 @ 11:06 PM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
Angel54214


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Sunday, June 27, 2004

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.

Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.

"It’s clear to me that a vigorous debate on the issues most likely could not take place if I remain in the race," Ryan, 44, said in a statement. "What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign – the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I refuse to play."

Although Ryan disputed the allegations, saying he and his wife went to one ‘avant-garde’ club in Paris and left because they felt uncomfortable, lashed out at the media and said it was "truly outrageous" that the Chicago Tribune got a judge to unseal the records.

The Republican choice will become an instant underdog in the campaign for the seat of retiring Republican Senator Peter Fitzgerald, since Obama held a wide lead even before the scandal broke.

"I feel for him actually," Obama told a Chicago TV station. "What he’s gone through over the last three days I think is something you wouldn’t wish on anybody."

The Republican state committee must now choose a replacement for Ryan, who had won in the primaries against seven contenders. Its task is complicated by the fact that Obama holds a comfortable lead in the polls and is widely regarded as a rising Democratic star.

The chairwoman of the Illinois Republican Party, Judy Topinka, said at a news conference, after Ryan withdrew, that Republicans would probably take several weeks to settle on a new candidate.

"Obviously, this is a bad week for our party and our state," she said.

As recently as Thursday, spokesmen for the Ryan campaign still insisted that Ryan would remain in the race. Ryan had defended himself saying, "There’s no breaking of any laws. There’s no breaking of any marriage laws. There’s no breaking of the Ten Commandments anywhere."
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm



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Aug 31, 2010 @ 11:07 PM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
Nightowl001


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Who needs to read more of their own resources? From your last link, Suthn:
The following news story seems to have been largely ignored. Some sites have suggested that the timing of Barbara Nelson’s testimony should be considered suspicious and that since the major players are all dead, the story cannot be verified. But that has not been an objection to much of the other rumors which are entered as ‘fact’ in legal pleadings. What the story shows is that Barbara Nelson remembers Dr Rodney West, who at that time was a retired OB/GY, and Medical Director of Straub Clinic (now Straub Clinic & Hospital) until retirement in 1975. Even if it is unlikely that Dr West actually delivered Obama, the fact that he had heard about a Stanley (Ann Durham’s first name was Stanley) giving birth to Barack Obama, named after his father, who was a black student at the University of Hawaii. More recent research has shown that Doctor West was in fact Chief of Staff at Kapiolani Maternity Hospital (1953) and it seems likely that Dr West remained involved with Kapiolani.

There was this as a followup to that article:
Our records show that Dr. Rodney T. West was Chief of Staff at Kapiolani Hospital in 1953. He was certified by the American Board of Obstetrics & Gynecology in 1958 and practiced at The Straub Clinic and Hospital until his retirement in December 1977.
Thank you for your interest.
The Queens Medical Center
Mamiya Medical Heritage Center

On the same thread a poster confirms that Rodney West was in fact still delivering babies.
Catherine West Dale says:
March 24, 2010 at 2:58 pm Catherine West Dale(Quote)
My great uncle was Dr Rodney West, and he delivered me at Kapiolani Hospital on March 26, 1961, the same year Obama was born. That is a fact and it is on my birth certificate.
Dr. Rodney West - Stanley had a baby today

You first post was from a blog. There is no official statement from any hospital administrator saying they have no records. And you know what? If you call a hospital and ask if someone is or was a patient there, unless they have signed authorization from the patient specifically allowing them to release that information, they will tell you they cannot tell you. Believe me, over the course of 12 years working in psychiatric hospitals, I had to tell a LOT of people that I could not verify whether or not someone was or had been a patient.

And I don' t know what the laws were in Hawaii in 1961, but in 1989, in Kansas, that authorization expired 90 days after discharge, and I could not give out any information without an express consent signed by the patient. So, "Hospitals to Obama: You weren't born here!" is just more nonsense unsupported by evidence. You also fail to acknowledge that it is entirely possible the records were misplaced or destroyed, accidentally or on purpose. The most eggregious act, however, is trying to claim that lack of evidence is evidence.

Of course, evidence of Obama's birth anywhere else is one thing the birthers have NEVER been able to come up with. Not one supportable fact. On the other hand, we have testimony that a physician on staff remembered the oddity of "Stanley" having a baby. We have newspaper announcements of his birth. We have the Governor of Hawaii and the director of the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying that he has a birth certificate in their files. And not only do the birthers have no evidence of a birth anywhere else, they have not managed to impeach these facts.

I don't have to be nearly as determined to believe evidence and facts, as you have to be to deny them so consistently.

[Edited on 8/31/2010 11:13 PM]
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Aug 31, 2010 @ 11:20 PM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
DiamondRain


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The hospital already said a couple of years ago that it has the records (presumably meaning his birth certificate), but that Obama has not given them permission to release them.

Accept that as evidence that they exist if you like, or not.

To my mind this is the strongest evidence there is that he was born there as claimed.

But the strongest evidence that something is wrong is that he refuses to release the records. You cannot help but wonder what he is hiding. What possible reason could there be for not clearing up this controversy? It is his own actions that leave the doubts in my mind. If not for that, I would be convinced.
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Aug 31, 2010 @ 11:28 PM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
Merchitown


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I'm not quite sure what it matters if Obama has an Islamic agenda or not. If you had said terrorist I'd be more concerned. But Islamic?

Many others have had a Christian agenda....
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Aug 31, 2010 @ 11:31 PM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
1RockinDude


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Why does Obama have his school records sealed..back when he was Barry ? Who paid for his education ? Nobody knows..he went through alot to keep them out of the public eye. Bought and paid for. This among other things shouldnt be a big deal. But he himself has made it that way.
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Aug 31, 2010 @ 11:32 PM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
Merchitown


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I'm fairly certain my school records are sealed....part of being adopted.
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Aug 31, 2010 @ 11:39 PM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
DiamondRain


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Same is true of virtually ALL of his office records during the time he served in the Illinois legislature. All of the records are gone. Speculation is that they have been destroyed, a highly unusual and questionable move. Why?

There is someone in the White House, and no one seems to know who he is. It's the most bizarre presidency ever.

He seems to like using the term "undocumented" instead of "illegal." It's not hard to see why.
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Sep 1, 2010 @ 12:07 AM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
1RockinDude


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People would not wonder so much about him. If he did not have all of these secrets .You cannot blame people from wondering why. And what he is all about.
So many jump to conclusions for good reasons...but he doesnt help the matters at all. He could have layed everything out on the table.

Could we get a job without the employers knowing alot about our history. Our education for exsample, and his voting history in Illinois for himself.. etc

But he became President of the United States of America.. by with-holding many things. I have never understood that.
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Sep 1, 2010 @ 12:18 AM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
DiamondRain


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But he became President of the United States of America.. by with-holding many things. I have never understood that.

Astoundingly, the requirements for becoming President of the United States, the most powerful job in the world, are far less rigorous than say getting a job at McDonald's.

All you have to do is be over 35, born a citizen, live here at least 14 years and be elected.

This particular president couldn't even get over that low hurdle without some question marks.

[Edited on 9/1/2010 12:23 AM]
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Sep 1, 2010 @ 12:21 AM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
Nightowl001


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Could we get a job without the employers knowing alot about our history. Our education for example
I have never had an employer ask for a transcript of all my grades. A copy of the Harvard Law Review with my name on the masthead as President, and a diploma showing I graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law, and 12 years as a lecturer in constitutional law at Columbia, and no one would be asking for my undergraduate thesis from Columbia in Political Science before hiring me. Seriously, what more do you NEED to know about his education? Magna Cum Laude means "With High Honors." We know damned well he wasn't in the bottom 75% of his class.

Why are verifiable facts never good enough from this man?
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Sep 1, 2010 @ 12:25 AM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
DiamondRain


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Every job I have had since college contacted the universities I attended ordering a full transcript of all my courses and grades.

Every major employer requires this. It's standard practice.

Oh and PS: Refusing to let my records be released would have been the same as saying don't bother hiring me because you cannot get the job without that.
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Sep 1, 2010 @ 12:40 AM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
Nightowl001


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Every job I have had since college contacted the universities I attended ordering a full transcript of all my courses and grades.

Every major employer requires this. It's standard practice.
Well, then one could assume Columbia had done that, couldn't they?

Notwithstanding, I've never had anyone contact any educational institution I attended to request anything, as long as I had my degrees/certificates. And You are the only person I "know" to have claimed this.
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Sep 1, 2010 @ 1:03 AM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
DiamondRain


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It is standard practice in any hiring organization that has any knowledge of standard HR practices to require full transcripts from the college or university.

First of all, no organization with any sense would accept your word for it or any documentation at all directly from you which could be a forgery. Even to find out that you had a degree at all they only accept it, in writing from the educational institution. And while they are at it, it always comes with a full transcript.

It is stupid to ask the job candidate for anything, that is the whole point of getting it from the college to be sure it is legitimate. And the colleges always require you to authorize a release before they provide it to the employer. So no, Columbia would not provide this without Obama's permission. And he refuses to give it just like he does with everything else in his background.

Which leads to the point you are missing. The question is why he refuses to make any of his records public. If his college record is so stellar, and he is so honest about it, what's the problem? When you have such a high profile position of public trust, and claim to adhere to new standards of the highest level of transparency and ethical practice, as Obama went out of his way to proclaim, how can you expect anyone to believe you if you can't even do something as basic as this?
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Sep 1, 2010 @ 1:25 AM Obama's Islamic Agenda    
1RockinDude


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Was Obama a exchange student from some other country and got a grant for school ? What kind of term papers did he write ? We will never know. Or maybe he was born in one of the 57 states ? Why did his wife ..say on their tour of Africa..talk about Kenya..my husbands home country ?
Seriously you hear all kinds of things. He could have avoided all of this.
Maybe it is something he wants to hide ..one would think..that is possible..But what ? And why ?
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