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Sep 22, 2011 @ 10:28 AM The death penalty.    
kattsmeow


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Angel.
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Sep 22, 2011 @ 10:44 AM The death penalty.    
bluewind37


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When I had read the article Angel, at that time, the stay had been ordered by the court so they could decide on it.

And, about 4 hours after that, the court decided to not reverse the order of execution.

And the thing is....I have a horrible feeling that this execution should not have been carried out.


Looks like they had another execution in Texas...This incident was truely a bad case of that disabled black man being dragged from a truck down a dirt road in Jasper, where his body parts were left in front of the cemetary. It's been a nightmare for people in that town, now to them, Byrd and his family have received their justice...

I remember that case! I was horrified that anyone could do that to another human being and think it was "ok".


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Sep 22, 2011 @ 2:45 PM The death penalty.    
southernlass


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And the thing is....I have a horrible feeling that this execution should not have been carried out.

I had the exact same feeling about midnight last night.. couldn't sleep. Of course, he was dead by then. They had already murdered him.

(sigh) If he really was innocent, that was really really sick.

A society that kills their own and expects to set any kind of example of morality and justice through that behavior is deluding itself.

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Sep 22, 2011 @ 3:48 PM The death penalty.    
Angel54214


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Davis had exhausted his appeals that he was given since he was convicted in 1991. His own defense failed him.

The Supreme Court does not hold judgement on innocense, they must judge "Constitutionally". The Judicial system is finate.

Any questions on the "reasonable doubts" are to be taken up in the Court of Appeals. And each Court of Appeals had denied lack of "proof" to save him from his exectution conviction.
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Sep 22, 2011 @ 4:23 PM The death penalty.    
bluewind37


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The Supreme Court does not hold judgement on innocense, they must judge "Constitutionally". The Judicial system is finate.

Agreed. Even though they are called an "appellate court", the Supreme Court handles Constitutional issues. Apparently, they decided that the lower courts decisions were to be held.
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Sep 22, 2011 @ 7:34 PM The death penalty.    
kattsmeow


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So, if some where down the road, this man is proven to be innocent, who is held responsible?
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Sep 22, 2011 @ 7:43 PM The death penalty.    
bluewind37


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So, if some where down the road, this man is proven to be innocent, who is held responsible?

Good question. The State of Georgia for signing off on that order of execution? I honestly don't know. That is a good question.
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Sep 23, 2011 @ 1:37 AM The death penalty.    
kattsmeow


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Sep 23, 2011 @ 10:32 AM The death penalty.    
Angel54214


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As we know...execution is not reversable. I've seen cases that when one is executed and later to be found innocent. There has to be a post trial and if the state is found neglegent, those of the cause get sued and the state returns the determine money back to the taxpayers. Family members of the executed usually follow with their law suit(s) and usuall win. This was found to be in the state of Illinois, which also caused them to eliminate the death penalty.

There's also sometime no closure in the end for the victim(s) families...
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Sep 23, 2011 @ 10:56 AM The death penalty.    
Loreli


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See,
why don't the "innocent" things come about during the trial.
Courts, given the information they have to go on, do their job. Wrong, often. That is why our system, and people, are screwed up. That is my opinion.
Do jurors get sued then, too?
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Sep 23, 2011 @ 11:49 AM The death penalty.    
kattsmeow


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Most death row inmates have time to file appeals. If in that time, nothing has came up as far as new evidence for their innocence, then the execution goes on.
I do believe that with the new DNA that older inmates might want to have their cases looked at.
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Sep 23, 2011 @ 3:45 PM The death penalty.    
Angel54214


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I do believe that with the new DNA that older inmates might want to have their cases looked at.


Many have already filed and some have already been found innocent.

The "new" DNA testing is determinated in Hair Color; Red and Black hair is found to be at 90% accuracy, while Blonde and Brown hair at 80% accuracy.

In the case of Davis, there was no forensic DNA evidence of him on the Officer victim or from anyone else from the tests that were analyized.
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Sep 23, 2011 @ 9:51 PM The death penalty.    
newlife2006


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Rememeber "Chikatillo case" ? The infamous Ukrainian cannibal who killed 53 women and children. He ASKED the jury for death penalty for himself . Seems like this is the argument for the death penalty , but it is not really so , considering that 18 innocent people were executed and imprisoned for his crimes before he got finally caught. And after erroneous sentences became obvious , there was no way to bring wrongfully executed people back to life.
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Sep 23, 2011 @ 11:13 PM The death penalty.    
southernlass


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The point is, from my perspective, that we are allegedly too civilized a society to be behaving in such a barbaric manner. In some ways we have the technological abilities to advance way beyond our years on this planet, but in others, we are akin to the Neanderthal in that we have no empathy or understanding of others and what is best for society as a whole. We are a still a terribly bloodthirsty lot, hankering after bloodlust and revenge. We are anything but spiritual and are spiritually bereft in this "death penalty" area.

Don't get me wrong; I believe we are the same when it comes to murdering unborn children. So both sides of the aisle are as guilty as the other and both are capable of horrific atrocity. It's disappointing to see society advancing scientifically and yet regressing and stagnating so terribly in the particular area of crime and punishment. I really expected better of us as a society by now.

[Edited on 9/23/2011 11:26 PM]
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Sep 24, 2011 @ 4:32 PM The death penalty.    
JoSnow


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This made me sick and angry when I heard the news that they went ahead with this execution.
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Sep 24, 2011 @ 5:02 PM The death penalty.    
eastham


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why don't the "innocent" things come about during the trial.

A variety of reasons...in this case, several witnesses later recanted their testimony because they feared police reprisals. Also, one witness, who is probably the real murderer, lied to save his own neck.

In more general terms, prosecutors and the police suppress evidence; DNA and forensics available now may not have been available at the time of trial (there are lots of cases where DNA has gotten people off decades after their original trial); witnesses lie to save their skin.
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Sep 24, 2011 @ 9:48 PM The death penalty.    
Angel54214


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What made me sick and angry was an officer being murdered that was only saving a homeless man from being beaten up by local thugs...

*****

Nine witnesses took an oath in 1991 to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth...and 7 recant years later?



[Edited on 9/24/2011 9:58 PM]
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Sep 25, 2011 @ 5:45 PM The death penalty.    
JoSnow


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Everyone is angry where there is loss of life but two wrongs don't justify anything.

Troy was innocent.
Most witness statements were withdrawn. 8/9?

Why is someone guilty until they can prove their innocence within a supposedly civilised society?

Troy was an innocent man, end of.

And since when was execution by lethal injection in America, superior to public stonings in muslim countries?
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Sep 25, 2011 @ 5:59 PM The death penalty.    
lainie2011


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The death penalty...IMHO, absolutely never, ever. Not even if he tortured and killed my own children. I would get out of jury duty PDQ if it were a capital case. I simply do NOT have the authority to decide whose crimes are heinous enough to deserve to lose his life.

It might come down to faith. If you have religion, or even believe in karma, you believe that vengeance belongs to God or the universe. If you are atheist, these decisions rest on you. This is why I admire our atheist friends. They take on a responsibility I am far too cowardly to assume.
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Sep 25, 2011 @ 8:14 PM The death penalty.    
Angel54214


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Most witness statements were withdrawn. 8/9?
No...7 of the 9 witnesses "recanted". In other words they changed their testamonies "years later". Of the 2 that didn't, one was the abused man's wife and she died in 2006. The other one was an eyewitness that was at the scene a few feet from the officer and the man that was killed. A week after the murder, the officials got all 9 witnesses together and they re-enacted the whole scene as to how it happened. All nine witnesses were absolutely positive that the man they saw killed Mr. Young was Davis and all nine witnesses described the exact same clothes that he was wearing.

Why is someone guilty until they can prove their innocence within a supposedly civilised society?
In the U.S. Constitution of this country, a person is innocent and must be proven guilty. That's why they can plead "Not Guilty" in the court of law and that's why they have rights to a fair trial and rights to an Attorney. They also have rights to be present at their own trial wearing civil clothes and be without handcuffs or chains, unless the person is a danger to those around him and himself. And that's why it's up to the Prosecutor to "prove" to the jury of 12 beyond a reasonable doubt that the person is guilty. The jury members are responsible to determine the guilt according to the law.

Troy was an innocent man, end of.
He may have been, but his Defense nor himself proved he wasn't guilty beyond a reasonalble doubt. David nor his Defense presented any alibi as to where he was at that time on that night. He was there with 2 of those witnesses, which one of them recanted years later.

And since when was execution by lethal injection in America, superior to public stonings in muslim countries?
And what Federal U.S. law states this is so? Lethal Injection is the lesser barbaric of all the other death sentence actions to end a murderers life, some states do give the murderer a choice, between lethal injection, the electric chair or firing squad. You need to study Capital Punishment in the U.S. with its History and learn more...

Muslim countries vary on the death penalties depending upon the law that was broken. Saddam Hussein received death by hanging in Iraq, not by stoning. Stoning in Muslim countries are for breaking the adultery laws. In east countries one can get the death penalty for stealing, drug traffiking, adultery, sodomy, kidnapping and murder just to name a few. It depends upon the country/continent and their states jjurisdictions of their Constitutions.

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