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Mar 25, 2012 @ 9:35 PM a fool with a gun....    
Suthn_Man


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Funny how much impact on the public view of this case is affected by the fact that Zimmerman was Hispanic rather than so-called "white". That shows how eager this misguided PC society is to make everything a battle over race.

And its all about vilifying anyone who isn't considered a minority. That certainly is bigotry at its worst.

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Mar 25, 2012 @ 9:48 PM a fool with a gun....    
Paralegal_at_Law


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An Eyewitness to the shooting has now come forward:

Maybe George Zimmerman did act in self-defense when he shot and killed Trayvon Martin, whose death Feb. 26 in Sanford, Florida, has been the focus of a media and political circus that even included Barack Obama weighing in this week.

An eyewitness to the incident told police Martin was beating Zimmerman before he shot him.

Zimmerman had called 911 to report the suspicious activities of a youth in his neighborhood, telling the dispatcher that he was following Martin.

On the recording of another 911 call, repeated cries of “help” can be heard before the gunshot.

The witness, identified only as John, says those cries were made by Zimmerman who was on the ground being beaten by Martin.

“The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: ‘help, help … and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,” he said.

Martin was wearing a gray hoodie, while Zimmerman was wearing red.

“When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” John said.

Zimmerman claimed the shooting was self-defense. Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen. Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.

Meanwhile, the attack has been portrayed by most media outlets as a racist, vigilante-style assault by Zimmerman – a half-Hispanic, half-white, self-style neighborhood crime-watch captain – on an innocent role-model black teen-ager carrying only a cell phone and some Skittles.

Obama weighed in on the shooting Friday, saying the incident requires all Americans to “do some soul searching.”

“When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids,” he said. “I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative to investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together – federal, state and local – to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened. But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin: If I had a son he’d look like Trayvon. And I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are gonna take this with the seriousness it deserves and that we’re going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”

GOP presidential contender Newt Gingrich called those remarks “disgraceful” and divisive.

“What the president said in a sense is disgraceful,” he said. “It’s not a question of who that young man looked like. Any young American of any ethnic background should be safe period. We should all be horrified no matter what the ethnic background. Is the president suggesting that if it had been a white who had been shot that would be OK because it didn’t look like him?”

He added that it’s “just nonsense dividing this country up. It is a tragedy this young man was shot. It would have been a tragedy if he had been Puerto Rican or Cuban or if he had been white or if he had been Asian American of if he’d been a Native American. At some point we ought to talk about being Americans. When things go wrong to an American, it is sad for all Americans. Trying to turn it into a racial issue is fundamentally wrong. I really find it appalling.”

The U.S. Justice Department has opened an investigation of the incident. There have been threats on the life of the Sanford police chief. The Black Panthers have offered a $10,000 bounty for Zimmerman’s “capture”. Most media accounts of the story suggest Martin was walking down the street minding his own business when he was shot without provocation by Zimmerman.
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Mar 25, 2012 @ 10:29 PM a fool with a gun....    
SensualGemini


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^^^^

....Thank you Para and thank you Newt Gingrich.

....Now lets see if the racist Obama administration goes after the Black Panthers for offering a $10,000 bounty... oh wait, the Bush administration had already convicted the Black Panthers, while Obama and clan then let them go.


The leader of the New Black Panther Party called for a $10,000 bounty for the man who shot and killed black Florida teen Trayvon Martin, a case that continues spark explosive emotions and strain the country’s racial tensions.

“An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” New Black Panther leader Mikhail Muhammad said Saturday when he announced the reward at a protest in Sanford, the Orlando suburb where the killing took place.

Trayvon Martin: Parents Vow Justice

Members of the New Black Panther party called for the mobilization of 10,000 black men to capture George Zimmerman, the Orlando Sentinel reports.

Zimmerman has gone into hiding due to death threats and the offer of the $10,000 reward, his legal advisor Craig Sonner said, according to Reuters.

“He should be fearful for his life,” Muhammad said. “You can’t keep killing black children.”

More....




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Mar 25, 2012 @ 10:52 PM a fool with a gun....    
Suthn_Man


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Yet another reason this administration needs to be ousted!

Its seriously doubtful they will take any action at all.
This is a "Hanging Tree", "Mob" mentality, even before the facts of the investigation are in, which like the voter intimidation scandal in Philly, will likely be condoned and dismissed.

That should be considered an outrage!

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Mar 26, 2012 @ 12:06 AM a fool with a gun....    
SensualGemini


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^^^^.... that we can agree upon, as Obama and clan are racists and the reciprocal would not be tolerated; there would be riots in the streets across all of America.

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Mar 26, 2012 @ 12:33 AM a fool with a gun....    
Angel54214


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The Black Panthers have offered a $10,000 bounty for Zimmerman’s “capture”. Most media accounts of the story suggest Martin was walking down the street minding his own business when he was shot without provocation by Zimmerman.

The New Black Panther Party is offering a bounty for the "capture" of George Zimmerman, the man who fatally shot Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida last month. The bounty was orignally reported at $10,000.

But Mikhail Muhammad, the southern regional leader of the Panthers, upped the ante to an anticipated $1 million, which he says "will come from the black community [including] athletes and entertainers."
http://spectator.org/blog/2012/03/25/black-panthers-offer-bounty-on

The pot's getting heavier....
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Mar 26, 2012 @ 12:40 AM a fool with a gun....    
SensualGemini


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^^^^ The racism and preferential treatment may very well be what costs Obama the presidency; as it should.

...I hope they publish the names of the athletes and entertainers, so they can be boycotted.


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Mar 26, 2012 @ 12:48 AM a fool with a gun....    
Angel54214


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The witness, identified only as John, says those cries were made by Zimmerman who was on the ground being beaten by Martin.

“The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: ‘help, help … and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,” he said.
Is there a 911 call video posted from this late coming forward witness named John?
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Mar 26, 2012 @ 1:29 AM a fool with a gun....    
Suthn_Man


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I hope the authorities (whoever that may be in this case), place "John" in protective custody. Its become clear who he is and obviously where he lives. And with the demonstrated weirdness surrounding this case, its very likely he could be in some serious jeopardy, for simply speaking up about what he saw.

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Mar 26, 2012 @ 2:13 AM a fool with a gun....    
Angel54214


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Well...this John does live in that "gated community" and someone let the media in through the gate. And there's a neighborhood "watch" sign posted, but does not say the watchers may be armed...

http://www.npr.org/2012/03/21/149086792/shooting-renews-debate-on-vigilance-vs-action

The Sign Says:

We report all suspicious persons & activities to the Sanford Police Department.

My questions would be...Did Zimmerman follow Neighborhood Watch Protocols...
http://www.usaonwatch.org/about/neighborhoodwatch.aspx

When he decided to "follow" Martin, did he ask him to identify himself and what residential was he visiting? Did Zimmerman announce to Martin that he was a Neighborhood Watch Citizen?

Was Zimmerman wearing a badge? Did his vehicle have a sticker?

[Edited on 3/26/2012 2:23 AM]
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Mar 26, 2012 @ 6:36 AM a fool with a gun....    
arieann


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I have a question. I believed that Zimmerman continued following Trayvon after he was ask not to. I was listening to his call to 911. He told the dispatcher Trayvon was running towards the back entrance. The operator told him he did not have to follow. They discussed where he was to meet the police. Zimmerman then says " I dont want to get out of my truck because I do not know where this kid is" If he had been following him, he would have known where he was. Why did I believe Zimmerman continued following him. Did I miss something or forget something?
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Mar 26, 2012 @ 9:25 AM a fool with a gun....    
Paralegal_at_Law


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there's a neighborhood "watch" sign posted, but does not say the watchers may be armed.

"may be armed?" Of course they may be armed, a law abiding citizen does NOT lose their 2nd Amendment rights EVER. In addition, it is within contemplation that anyone in Florida may be in possession of a concealed weapons permit. I would.

The Sign Says:

We report all suspicious persons & activities to the Sanford Police Department.

My questions would be...Did Zimmerman follow Neighborhood Watch Protocols...

The protocols are guidelines and MINIMUM actions. Everyone, Neighborhood Watch personnel included, retains the right to detain and hold criminal suspects. One still is vested with the RIGHT to make a citizen's arrest as well. Don't get too hung up on any culture which impels citizens to obtain too many governmental permissions. After all, Americans are a free people and are not wards of a Nanny power that is all powerful that requires citizens to obtain permission to do any lawful act.
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Mar 26, 2012 @ 10:12 AM a fool with a gun....    
lj450


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http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/national/black-panthers-offer-10k-bounty-for-zimmerman


So the black panthers have decided to offer a bounty for the "capture" of this man.


I wonder how this news would be treated if the KKK offered a "bounty" for the capture of a black man? Double standard? I think so.

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Mar 26, 2012 @ 12:39 PM a fool with a gun....    
Gallows_Humor


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cough..cough..

about that bounty.. seems the race baiters are lying their asses off..and the sheeple are following like they always do..


http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/race-baiters-on-parade/
..The media coverage has made a federal case out of this – literally. The Justice Department is involved, and a grand jury investigation is in the works.

There’s fury that Zimmerman hasn’t been arrested – even though the investigation isn’t complete. In addition, he’s in hiding as more and more threats against him surface.

Those who rail against Zimmerman for what they see as vigilante justice are doing the same thing themselves, only in this case, it would be deliberate, intentional, planned murder – if in fact, they get to Zimmerman. He’s smart to stay hidden, but apparently not in protective custody.

On the other hand, the New Black Panther Party has a wanted poster on its website offering a $10,000 “bounty” for Zimmerman. They want him “ALIVE, not dead or harmed.”

and I suspect is that all they really want are donations to their cause.. as they will never have to pay out the 10.000 dollars... and the media keeps on giving them free advertising while they make their point...

and arieann.. you missed nothing..

everyone else who is saying that zimmerman was justified did indeed miss just that..

which is why there needs to be an arrest and trial... as the law in florida seems to be as clear as mud.. and lacking common sense..

what I know is.. that here in california..

zimmermans self defense excuse... would probably not be worth a plug nickle.. because zimmerman would probably be classified as a perp commiting a crime (stalking) .. for going after Martin.. and perps cannot claim self defense when they kill or harm anyone during the crime.







[Edited on 3/26/2012 12:50 PM]
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Mar 26, 2012 @ 1:06 PM a fool with a gun....    
loisagain


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You were hoping to make friends with urban gang-bangers on the mean streets of Detroit eh? I can just picture that. What that tells me is that you have no experience whatsoever with urban gang-bangers who would make very short work of you in no time flat. Maybe you mistook folks there in the trailer park for urban gang-bangers.. But methinks tall-tales are a-brewing here.

WTF!!@!

You have no idea who I have for friends. And better yet, who the members of my extended family and their friends are................ I have more experience with urban life than you, in your narrow mind could ever imagine!! WTF do you mean..."make very short work of me"? Most call me "MOMZ". I get more respect from them than you have ever shown ANYONE!!! You are repugnant!!!

I'm gettting very sick of your slandering me with your incorrect and out right lies about trailer parks and slurs agains my morality. Karma is a bitch. May the evil you spread return to you 100 fold.

Just because everything you say is a tall tale and a spin....don't think everyone lives by your twisted code.

Again, you jerk!! You have not a clue to my fiinancial, moral, or very mixed family situation. Please take the "gentleman" out of your user name.......you are any thing BUT!!!

AGAIN...............STOP TROLLING ME!!! If you don't like what I post...show your age and walk away...........instead of showing your low IQ by posting such insipid drivel.

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Mar 26, 2012 @ 1:17 PM a fool with a gun....    
clickityclack


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Most call me "MOMZ".

I hear tellz HOT MOMZ can be pretty apt too...hmmm, I'll betz me I could respect that, hey!
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Mar 26, 2012 @ 2:18 PM a fool with a gun....    
lj450


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On the other hand, the New Black Panther Party has a wanted poster on its website offering a $10,000 “bounty” for Zimmerman. They want him “ALIVE, not dead or harmed.”

Since when are the black panthers in authority to apprehend anyone?

Some of us are so racist (reverse racism if you will) that we cannot even see how blatant this is. Can you even imagine the outrage all over CNN, etc if the aryan brotherhood or KKK offered a bounty for the "ALIVE, not dead or harmed" apprehension of a black man? A black man who is not hiding from the authorities and has not been charged with a crime?



Can you even imagine how quickly white people would be in jail for making such threats to black people?
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Mar 26, 2012 @ 2:40 PM a fool with a gun....    
Gallows_Humor


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sorry.. I do not share your outrage..

but remember.. Palin (and others) used a rifle scope crosshair superimposed over the people she wanted done away with....

and called it a hit list... and some tried to say that it was ok... as it was only to have people focus on her message..

if TNBPP had said.. wanted..dead.. or alive... I would be saying it was wrong..

but for now.. it is all about focusing on the message...


the fact is.. zimmerman was/is a vigilante.. which is wrong.. just as putting out a dead or alive bounty without the backing of the law is also wrong..



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Mar 26, 2012 @ 3:00 PM a fool with a gun....    
SensualGemini


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LJ: Can you even imagine how quickly white people would be in jail for making such threats to black people?
^^^^

"REWARD $1 Million for the apprehension of Jesse Jackson..................alive"


"REWARD $1 Million for the apprehension of Al Sharpton......................alive"

Etc.

....Obama already screwed up on this one, as he has done several times since in office.... while in the national spotlight, he just can't help his racism:

Release of Black Panther leaders after convicted by the Bush administration.

Super funding just the 105 all black colleges by Executive order

Injecting black affirmative action into the Obama Health Care (free college and mandatory slots for potential black doctors)

A policeman acted stupidly for arresting Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr.

The false firing of Agriculture Department employee Shirley Sherrod because the NAACP demanded same from a false excerpt and later tried to rehire her.

Appointing the racist Sotomayor to the Supreme Court - (“a wise Latina woman… would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male”)

Appointing Eric Holder, a noted racist to head the Justice Department (who also freed the convicted Black Panthers)

Etc. and etc.




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Mar 26, 2012 @ 3:08 PM a fool with a gun....    
Gallows_Humor


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.. if one loses the bantering

either personally attack the poster...


or blame Obama for everything...



do you feel better about it now SG ??

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