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Apr 14, 2012 @ 3:42 PM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
SensualGemini


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Manalive: Deprssion is big business in this country, at least in the pharmaceutical industry. Some might say you'd be better off taking a placebo though.

....Apparently, the sponsors of the World Health Organization wants to make it a world business beginning with treating 121 million people as a believed predecessor to many diseases.

....They could be on to something, but then is disease more prevalent in France, or the USA with allegedly some of the highest rates of depression in comparison to South Africa in their study?

....Being the skeptic when it comes to studies and funding, I wonder what it cost to study "89,037 people in 18 countries" and who funded same and why, besides about $400 Million from the US taxpayer?

.....For starters, besides WHO and the World Bank, who else was in on sponsoring this study?

In fact, a recent study sponsored by the World Health Organization and the World Bank found unipolar major depression to be the leading cause of disability in the United States and worldwide.

....Like anything else, follow the money in discerning for bias. More money spent on treating the largest potential populations that will likely pay, will mandate treatment in their 'social health programs,' results in more money and thus profits borrowed to do so from the World Bank, the holding entity of the Federal Reserve and more profits for medical and pharmaceutical groups.

....And right now, it is the USA that is being targeted, has been targeted with over 7 million children being fed Ritalin, Prozac, etc. and growing, because we can pay, so lets make sure nobody slips through and get to the older people.


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Apr 14, 2012 @ 4:14 PM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
DiamondRain


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It's all about nomenclature and perception.

50 years ago in America there was no such thing as depression. When people started feeling sorry for themselves the remedy was a smack upside the head and making them get their asses out of bed and go to work. It was an amazingly effective cure.

Now there is a massive medical industry in search of new things to treat to keep their offices full to maximum capacity -- idle capital equipment and personnel means losses on the bottom line. Have to keep the factory humming. And also, in that time period came the emergence of the entitlement society and the notion that whatever your woes are, you are entitled to have them fixed at someone else's expense.

So suddenly a vast segment of the population came down with all of these strange and unconfirmable diseases like fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, and depression. Now, instead of a slap upside the head and a job, it's a disease with a name -- polar, bipolar, multipolar, polar bear -- and the treatment is a $150,000 course of psychiatric therapy and drugs at someone else's expense.

That's OUR "leading edge" society.

The third world is us 50 years ago. They don't have any depression yet. Least nothing that can't be cured with a slap upside the head.
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Apr 14, 2012 @ 5:43 PM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
Gallows_Humor


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So suddenly a vast segment of the population came down with all of these strange and unconfirmable diseases like fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, and depression


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you are SOO out of touch with reality. DR.. .. I can tell you that those who do suffer from it.. have a hard enough time not being depressed

..but it is ASSHOLES like you who make it worse...

and your ignorance is showing...

the remedy was a smack upside the head and making them get their asses out of bed and go to work. It was an amazingly effective cure.

ask anyone who suffers from fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome if they would welcome any day that they can get out of bed without extreme pain and no energy to do normal everyday work..

just for you and your kind DR.. I want you to jog till you drop from exhaustion..get up and jog some more till you drop again..and keep doing it until you hit the wall.... then try to go to work the next day when you're exhausted and in pain..

and

...let me be there to give you all a "smack upside the head and making them get their asses out of bed and go to work."

that thought does not depress me in the slightest...





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Apr 14, 2012 @ 6:05 PM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
SensualGemini


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DR: So suddenly a vast segment of the population came down with all of these strange and unconfirmable diseases like fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, and depression. Now, instead of a slap upside the head and a job, it's a disease with a name -- polar, bipolar, multipolar, polar bear -- and the treatment is a $150,000 course of psychiatric therapy and drugs at someone else's expense.

....Probably better examples would be the growing number of ADD and ADHD medicated kids because of parental failure; because of idiot parents counting to 10 while 'Johnny' is smarter than they are.... and absolutely going to wait until 9-15/16 before he complies.

....It cannot be the parent's fault, so 'Johnny' must have a problem that psychologists and pharmaceutical companies and follow the money trail have the answer for... send him to school as a zombie and the immediate problem solved that absolutely becomes a long term issue for now, millions in the future that then could easily fall under bipolar, depression, chronic fatigue syndrome, etc., as well as the unknown side effects that could be causing fibromyalgia.

....The BS that everyone is a winner, there are no losers, there is no right or wrong, everyone is equal, etc., in no way prepares a child for the future failures as an adult that are not to be found in third world countries... where failure is realized at a very young age as a reality of life.

....Yes, I am rather certain depression is manifested by culture; the cultures that coddle, cuddle and release parents from responsibility that they themselves may be the victims of and recycling the growing issue manifested by modern psychology, the pharmaceutical industries and those that fund same.

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Apr 14, 2012 @ 6:12 PM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
DiamondRain


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I must admit that since my mother has fibromyalgia, I did think twice about including that one.

Yes, ADD and ABCDEFG are good examples.
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Apr 14, 2012 @ 7:37 PM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
SensualGemini


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DR: I must admit that since my mother has fibromyalgia, I did think twice about including that one.

....Most people that have Fibromyalgia or even Rheumatoid Arthritis also have Chronic fatigue syndrome and about half, also have one of three strains (IgM, IgG and PG18) of over 200 strains of Mycoplasma.

....It has become "of interest" in the VA hospitals; especially for Gulf War Vets, but now showing up from Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans, as well as their families; it is contagious. As well, in 1999, Fibromyalgia was added to the list of disabilities for Veterans.

....I will give you a guess of who created this siht.

....Nevertheless, I have known two people with fibro and both were 'cured' when they left the east coast and spent a couple of years in the extremely dry air of the west (think Vegas). Now back living on the east coast, they seem to be fine.

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Apr 14, 2012 @ 9:16 PM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
DiamondRain


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Well... after years of talking to my mother's doctors, and my father who is a retired doctor, and reading about fibromyalgia myself, I'd have to call that a controversial assessment.

None of them, nor any of the literature from reputable sources that I have read, are aware of it being caused by any identifiable organism, of it being contagious, or of it being cured by a long stay in a dry climate.

My conclusion fits what my mother's doctor said about it, that it is "a diagnosis of exclusion." When you have the symptoms that fit the fibromyalgia profile, and they can't identify what the problem is and they have ruled out everything else, they call it fibromyalgia. There is no specific test for it. The illness itself is controversial as some doctors don't even believe it is a disease in itself.

Personally I believe that it is an autoimmune disease of some sort like rheumatoid arthritis. multiple sclerosis, psoriasis, and a plethora of other immune system related illnesses. As much as they claim to know about these diseases, I think they really know very little. And I think that is why it seems so "mysterious."

The current state of the art treatment for most autoimmune diseases today is to suppress the immune system to prevent the body from attacking its own cells (which is what happens in autoimmune diseases). Science calls this a "breakthrough." I call it modern day bloodletting: a crude and risky treatment at best.
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Apr 14, 2012 @ 10:14 PM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
SimplyImp


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Personally I believe that it is an autoimmune disease of some sort like rheumatoid arthritis. multiple sclerosis, psoriasis, and a plethora of other immune system related illnesses. As much as they claim to know about these diseases, I think they really know very little. And I think that is why it seems so "mysterious."

DR, from my understanding and what I've read, fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, are not auto-immune diseases, but they often accompany other diseases that are.

From studies done in the spring of last year, doctors finally admitted that the natural health industry had been right, and disease wasn't causing body inflammation, but that body inflammation causes the disease.

Here's a study done earlier this year, on depression -

Depression: An evolutionary byproduct of immune system?




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Apr 15, 2012 @ 3:46 AM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
SensualGemini


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DR: Well... after years of talking to my mother's doctors, and my father who is a retired doctor, and reading about fibromyalgia myself, I'd have to call that a controversial assessment.

Scroll down to "O"

....There is plenty of recent research that connects my prior statement, while the Patent itself in the link makes claim to be implicated with several listed diseases.

....And yes, it was released during the Gulf War, with direct connection to Gulf War Syndrome, whereas the created Mycoplasma strains with underlying connections as in Section O of the Patent, are now virtually world wide.... with the coinciding 'modern' Fibromalagia then becoming a VA disability defined as a ``nonarticular rheumatic disease".

....Think about it, as how else would Fibromyalgia even have been considered by the VA as a disability if not for liability.


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Apr 15, 2012 @ 4:59 AM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
hpylady_


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I lived for 20 years with a depressed man .. he never went to the doctor for medication .. it was just a way of life for him ... he was miserable and made everyone around him miserable ... nothing made him happy. The things that bothered him were things that happened 20 years ago .. some things he could have prevented and I guess he realized it and it bothered him .. the only time I seen a little bit of happiness from him was when his g-daughter was born...but even then he found things to be sad about.. he was a troubled man. Money had nothing to do with it .. we had good times and we had rough times .. never effected him one way or the other.
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Apr 15, 2012 @ 9:56 AM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
DiamondRain


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I've seen both sides of life from a money perspective. I don't think money has any influence at all on happiness. Happiness is not about how hard you have to work to put food on the table, it's about familial and social "connections," and your own personality and physiology. And those things have nothing to do with money.
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Apr 15, 2012 @ 1:36 PM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
kattsmeow


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unconfirmable diseases like fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, and depression , and Rheumatoid Arthritis .

The first three go together, and believe me, are real.

I have family members and close friends with all of these.

Plus, the ADHD.
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Apr 15, 2012 @ 4:33 PM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
DiamondRain


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Hey, that's a misquote of what I wrote.

The correct quote is:

So suddenly a vast segment of the population came down with all of these strange and unconfirmable diseases like fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, and depression.

I don't know where you got the "and Rheumatoid Arthritis" from.
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Apr 15, 2012 @ 5:05 PM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
SensualGemini


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DR: I've seen both sides of life from a money perspective. I don't think money has any influence at all on happiness.

....Unless one can think of anything else, all humans require their perception of physical, emotional and financial security; each, or a blending of each and all that defines their happiness. When one is missing, that becomes a priority in their life to attain.

....Health, food, housing, etc., even sex, the physical securities, money can buy. The only thing money cannot buy to fulfill the security requirements of the normal person, is the emotion of unconditional love.... but it can damn certain buy conditional love.

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Apr 15, 2012 @ 5:20 PM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
DiamondRain


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I think happiness is more about the pursuit of the things that make up physical security rather than necessarily having them.

Man was made to work. Work brings physical security and/or the promise and hope of having it. It's the work that makes people happy, because it validates their ability to survive. As long as you have work, and can work, you are validated as a survivor. Whether that work is hunting with a spear, or building a spacecraft, the happiness level is the same.

The pursuit of happiness if you will.
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Apr 15, 2012 @ 6:09 PM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
SensualGemini


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DR: I think happiness is more about the pursuit of the things that make up physical security rather than necessarily having them.

...That is an interesting concept... the ambition of attaining and then defining newer goals to attain.

...Thus, lack of ambition results in depression.

....Sort of like when Alexander the Great had conquered the known world, he allegedly sat on a rock and cried because there was nobody left to conquer.

....Alright, maybe that was a bad parable for lack of wanting to work.


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Apr 15, 2012 @ 8:43 PM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
SimplyImp


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DR: I think happiness is more about the pursuit of the things that make up physical security rather than necessarily having them.

Interesting concept DR. I just wonder why it's called the 'pursuit' of happiness, when happiness is inside ourselves, and not something that ever needs to be pursued, but merely a choice that can me made.

The 'pursuit' of happiness insinuates that happiness is something that exists outside of ourselves. Maybe for some, the act of pursuing physical security makes them happy.

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Apr 15, 2012 @ 11:22 PM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
SensualGemini


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Imp: Maybe for some, the act of pursuing physical security makes them happy.

....Probably more along the lines of achievement, accomplishment.


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Apr 16, 2012 @ 12:16 AM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
signme


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Apparently my thought wasn't political enough for anyone to comment about.
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Apr 16, 2012 @ 12:20 AM Depression Rates Higher in Wealthy Countries    
DiamondRain


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I hate when that happens!
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