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SimplyImp
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And that's your perception and your truth, Dill.
It's also truth that people are helping the starving. It's truth that some (many?) people are environmentally aware and environmentally cognizant - and doing something about it.
And there's that needed agreement. If others don't see your truth and the world as you see it, then there is no change until the natural laws of the universe change something. (Pestilence, Tsunamis, earthquakes, floods, etc).
Your truth (everyone's truth) is how you see the world. Some see the starving. Others see the starving, and they are helping the starving by going on missions. Helping build sustainable ecosystems and housing for them.
Why should everyone agree with your truth, Dill? What makes your perceptions, The Truth, and others perceptions - not?
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| May 1, 2012 @ 2:22 PM |
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Dillweed
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It's not my perception of anything. It's reality. See it however you wish. Isn't that what this thread is about? Beliefs?
For all you know, I might hate people and want it all to be destroyed and I could be secretly plotting. On the outside though, it might seem that I'm trying to raise awareness. What do you believe? Do I have an agenda?
There are some things that can't be disupted, only twisted to be seen in a different way. The public relations gurus and the "positive thinking" gurus (and maybe unwittingly) have been working to keep the ugly side of the truth from view.
Unless you're willing to see it, it just doesn't exist if you don't want to "believe" it does. Then again, who's to say it's "ugly", right? I might want to see it all destroyed and maybe it makes me happy.
I might get a deep sense of satisfaction in knowing that so many arent paying attention to what's going on in, and with the world.
[Edited on 5/1/2012 2:27 PM]
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| May 1, 2012 @ 2:24 PM |
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clickityclack
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fkq the secretz...let the ending begin! 
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| May 1, 2012 @ 2:30 PM |
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Dillweed
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starving people are lying, Imp? Is that what you're saying? Are they dying just to keep the truth from being seen and trying to manipulate perceptions. That's a possibility that I hadn't much considered. I'll look into that.
Yes, I could see how that may not be "truth".
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| May 1, 2012 @ 2:32 PM |
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SimplyImp
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On the outside though, it might seem that I'm trying to raise awareness.
So you see what I'm saying about needing agreement? You call it awareness, but - isn't it agreement and belief that there is a problem and the problem requires addressing?
Uh - I never said that starving people are lying, Dill. Where did you get that?
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| May 1, 2012 @ 2:35 PM |
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Dillweed
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I presented it as truth and you say it's MY truth. So if it's mine alone, then I must have been manipulated in some way to see it that way.
What ARE you saying? That starving people is only in my mind and nowhere else?
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| May 1, 2012 @ 2:38 PM |
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clickityclack
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does starving for wimmenz love and affectionz count? 
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| May 1, 2012 @ 3:00 PM |
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Dillweed
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So you see what I'm saying about needing agreement?
No. How I "see" it is irrelevant. Seeing it is the intent. Whether one sees it as good or bad is not my concern.
Do you see this?
http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html
Do you see this?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/10/hunger-population-un-food-environment
Do you see this?
http://www.karakalpak.com/stanaral.html
Do you see this?
http://current.com/groups/news-blog/93736436_record-setting-temperatures-swept-nation-in-march.htm
Good or bad is not for me to judge. Is it truth? Does it exist? If so, then it's truth. It cannot be disputed. From there, we might start asking questions about why it exists...or see no problems at all and ignore it. That's up to you and your beliefs.
[Edited on 5/1/2012 3:08 PM]
[Edited on 5/1/2012 3:12 PM]
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| May 1, 2012 @ 3:04 PM |
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clickityclack
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does love exsist?
I hear tellz it does over on ChristianMingle, and that I can even find God's Chosen One for me
Im on a dead run over there to join, hey!  
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| May 1, 2012 @ 3:12 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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what I got out of this page is that some are having a hard time understanding this aspect...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_solving#Problem-solving_techniques
in my world.. it is not enough to just say there is a problem..and joe the plumber knows the solution... so accept the fact that Joe the plumber is smart...because Joe is a plumber...
yes.. people are starving.... as I accept the stories that are told to me as a truth... have I actually seen a starving person in real life? no... do I want to? no..
the solutions are then presented for me to choose which one I feel is the most valid... knowing that I as an individual can choose to do nothing at this time...
when anyone presents a problem..real or not... but offers no viable solution to a real problem..... or I know there is no legal solution.. it becomes nothing more that a rant....
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| May 1, 2012 @ 3:20 PM |
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SimplyImp
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No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that there are people everywhere that are helping starving people. By going on missions, by donating their time, their resources, to assist the starving and helping them not only live, but live better lives.
Is it enough? No. Because we have starving people in our own backyards that we ignore, nevermind other countries.
And you say you want people to be aware. Awareness is great. But what does awareness actually DO? Because unless we DO something to help starving people, then being aware is pointless.
So, how many people on MD are aware that there are starving people, that aren't struggling to survive themselves? How many people are aware and still aren't doing anything about it, because they don't feel they can?
What do you believe you can accomplish on a dating site that will alleviate the plight of starving people?
How have you alleviated the plight of starving people? How do you believe that raising the awareness will fix the problem? What plan have you implemented that others can view, to see that your belief in a better way is better than what we have now? (I'm not saying it isn't, I'm just asking what plan you've implemented). 
What I said was, that you see starving people, other people see that there are organizations and individuals that do help starving people. Is it enough? No, obviously not. But, it does have to start somewhere. You say it starts with awareness. How many people on here are aware of starving people? Probably everyone.
What is the next step, then, once there's awareness? Again, Dill, these are your beliefs that there's a better way. I'm not saying it isn't. All I'm saying, is that you believe it to be true, and in order for any major change to happen, you need agreement for that shift. Without agreement, you know you're whistling in the wind, and no one is catching the tune.
And when that idea was first presented to you, you had to think about it, and believe it, in order to attempt to make other people aware and believe it as well. So now, you have a core group that believes there's a better way, and hopefully, implementing it.
But how do you implement a non-monetary no ownership system within a monetary system? And why is this system better? How do you convince people to believe that it is?
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| May 1, 2012 @ 3:20 PM |
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Dillweed
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and some will stop at nothing to twist perception of the truth
I said it on the last page.
First, people must open their eyes to the truth.
GH I as an individual can choose to do nothing at this time... "Those who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt the people doing it" - unknown.
Stop saying that I have beliefs. If you believe that a billion starving people is the best we can do, then that's your belief, not mine. I'm just pointing it out.
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| May 1, 2012 @ 3:29 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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really dill.... the day you come up with a legal, sane, practical solution to anything you rant about ...is the day I will seriously debate/ discuss anything you post.... until then... it is all about... 
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| May 1, 2012 @ 3:34 PM |
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Dillweed
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and yet again, the truth is ignored and laughed at by those who let their belief in "law" in my world.. cloud reality.
Ignore it all you like GH. It says a lot about you and why you constantly twist the truth.
Just one example:
http://www.matchdoctor.com/thread_6_43259_1/Strange_Beliefs_and_The_Pattern_Behind_Self-Deception.html
and of course, this:
http://www.matchdoctor.com/thread_6_43361_1/Misinformation_Misdirection_and_Suppression_of_Truth.html
[Edited on 5/1/2012 3:41 PM]
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| May 1, 2012 @ 3:43 PM |
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clickityclack
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actually, gh...at least ol' joe the plumber gotz a way sexy azz-crack! 
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| May 1, 2012 @ 3:50 PM |
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Dill, you've posted a bunch of links. What makes those links accurate and why would we believe those links?
Unless we believe the source as being accurate or have personally experienced something ourselves, we have no way of knowing it to be true unless we put trust and a belief that it is true, into what we're told.
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| May 1, 2012 @ 3:51 PM |
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You know,,,
I've seen hungry people in the US,,,
I've seen mal-nurished and under nurished,,,
but never have I seen a starving person in the US where their own choice or a sickness was not involved.
NEVER. EVER. NEVER.
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| May 1, 2012 @ 3:56 PM |
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Dillweed
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What makes those links accurate
I said nothing about believing them. There's nothing there to believe or not believe. It's information. I happened to experience the weather for myself.
The links are there for your scrutiny. Prove those truths wrong, and we'll go from there.
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| May 1, 2012 @ 4:16 PM |
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SimplyImp
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Prove those truths wrong, and we'll go from there.
Well, I could say, prove those 'truths' right, and we'll go from there.
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| May 1, 2012 @ 4:23 PM |
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Dillweed
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It was hot in march. Do you want me to go door-to-door and have people fill out a questionaire? Imp, yanno what. Ignore it all for all I care. Positive thinking makes it all go away, and good for you.
Really, what ever makes you happy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwESraWEpSU
Buy some new shoes while you're at it. Alligator preferrably. They don't feel pain from what I hear.
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