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Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?


Jun 12, 2012 @ 2:23 PM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
Suthn_Man


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Lives are being put at risk, Intel operations are being compromised. So who is the culprit?

Barack says it sure wasn't him doing it..

And he said if we assume the dangerous National Security leaks have come from the White House, he finds that "Offensive"!!

He wasn't kidding either! His dander was up..

Yet, all the evidence sure points in that direction, as a campaign ploy to bolster his ratings as a tough president with international substance. One we need to reelect in order to be safe..

So if not them.... then who's doing it, and why?

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Jun 12, 2012 @ 3:36 PM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
CPUfan


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Well, Wikileaks and co were certainly intent on treason in leaking the State Dept. archives online Suthn, but the effects on the Arab world were stunning...

Sandbox shitter no. 1 Ghadaffy duck down the shitpipe... who'd have thought?
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Jun 12, 2012 @ 3:40 PM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
Suthn_Man


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It hadn't even occurred to me that perhaps a lot of people here are completely unaware of this. But its a very big deal.. Almost sure to prompt major repercussions.

But then a number of MD members only watch the "protected channels" such as CNN, MSNBC, ABC and CBS, and it wouldn't likely be covered there. So I guess that's very possible!

Many highly secure National Secrets have been leaked from government and published in the Press. Things that could get people killed, both at home and abroad! All mysteriously shine a very favorable light on the current administration, close to election time. Probably coincidence, but that's sure to be investigated on a few levels. That's not something we have ever done frivolously!

Bipartisan complaint from Congress: Leaks of spy secrets endanger U.S. lives

By William Douglas and David Lightman
McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON -- Top members of Congress from both parties complained Wednesday that leaks of sensitive national security secrets are hurting U.S. spy efforts and putting American lives in danger, with the White House angrily rejecting any suggestion that it’s leaking secrets to make President Barack Obama look tough in an election year.

The complaints came after a series of reports in the news media about the U.S. use of a computer virus to attack Iran’s nuclear program, as well as a classified “kill list” of terror suspects targeted for U.S. drone strikes.

“In recent weeks, we have become increasingly concerned at the continued leaks regarding sensitive intelligence programs and activities including specific details of sources and methods,” said a joint statement released by the top members of the Senate Intelligence Committee and the House Select Committee on Intelligence.

“The accelerating pace of such disclosures, the sensitivity of the matters in question, and the harm caused to our national security interests is alarming and unacceptable,” said the statement from Sens. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga. – the chair and ranking Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee – and Reps. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., and C.A. “Dutch” Ruppersberger, D-Md. – the chair and ranking Democrat on the House intelligence committee.

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Jun 12, 2012 @ 3:43 PM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
Suthn_Man


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CPU, that was a very unfortunate scenario too,
but completely unrelated to this. These are higher level sensitivity too.

Its really stirring up the capital as we speak..

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Jun 12, 2012 @ 4:03 PM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
CPUfan


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Wikileaks' leaks of the footage from drone and Black Hawk operations in Iraq did put coalition lives in jeopardy by revealing to terrorists the M.O. of US hi-tech strikes.

It clearly showed terrorists how to avoid being caught with their weapons in the open in a strike - as well as the urgent need for them to conceal their weapons and mingle better.

Any groups of bandits moving around with AK47s and RPGs are a threat to coalition soldiers. It's much better that they don't know what hits them.
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Jun 12, 2012 @ 4:12 PM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
Suthn_Man


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Most definitely!!
And yes we've GOT to cut this out! For whatever reason
it may be being done! Its anything but small potatoes.

Were you aware of this specific matter before?
Probably so I'd presume. But I don't know exactly
how much gets across the pond.

Well, nowadays, everything probably.

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Jun 12, 2012 @ 4:32 PM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
CPUfan


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Yeah it all gets around globally these days lol I've caught very many Americans reading UK newspapers online too ...

Top level espionage is nothing new to us, we had the whole Philby, McClean, Burgess disaster in the 50s and they really were Commies! Once identified, they were off to the Soviet Union. One of the sods was still alive in Moscow in the 2000s. His life wasn't much better than a prison though anyway, he had English newspapers and stuff shipped to his apartment he was so bored.

I would definitely think there are high-level operators in the State Department and even in the White House. People generally aren't very dependable in face of a big blank cheque and integrity ain't wot it used to be.

If the informer/leak is in the White House, suspicious activities would be detected very quickly by secret ops. Bodyguards aren't just that, at least some are known secret service agents. If the White House is leaking, the leak would have to be very well concealed. Everything is subjected to scrutiny, including the detailed private lives of staff.

Still possible though of course. You rarely see the luxury of evidence like tapes and footage of espionage in public . You can believe that international affairs documents I examined in my Master's were well doctored in advance .
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Jun 12, 2012 @ 5:28 PM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
PeacefulGuy


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Well Suthn -- O -blamers remarks to the Russian offical while the mike was still on does tell a painting story now doesn't it also? He has already given them the positions of US nuclear sites.. I wouldn't doubt one bit they haven't provided Iran with the know how to build nuclear weapons.. You can't trust these idiots...

Didn't they go after someone while Bush was in office for giving out information about a CIA member or something? The person went to jail if I remember.

It's like a three ring circus with these people.. What's next!

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Jun 12, 2012 @ 8:55 PM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
Suthn_Man


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CPU:
I would definitely think there are high-level operators in the State Department and even in the White House. People generally aren't very dependable in face of a big blank cheque and integrity ain't wot it used to be.

Yes I knew you guys were no stranger to espionage. You had 007 after all. But you'll find me reading those UK news flashes and publications quite often too. I just wasn't sure if this particular story had made it over there yet. Although they're usually on top of things the moment it breaks wherever it may be. Sometimes they do a better job than we do. Our news is so slanted these days. And usually loaded up with politics!

This is heavily suspected to have leaked from the White House itself, but of course they are in vehement denial. As indicated above, it is believed to have been done as a campaign booster to tout someone's foreign accomplishments and international toughness.

Peaceful:
Well Suthn -- O -blamers remarks to the Russian offical while the mike was still on does tell a painting story now doesn't it also?

Highly suspicious stuff Peaceful. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall to catch that whole conversation back then. You gotta love those "open mics" and what they sometimes say about a person, unexpectedly. Let's just hope he's not around long enough to put whatever plans he made with Russia into place. But we're very likely to see some high-level investigations come from this one..

Ol' Barack never did seem to understand much about how Security works. I wonder if that's because he's never been vetted himself?? That needs to change too. Chief Executives need to have Security Clearances more than anyone!

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Jun 20, 2012 @ 5:19 AM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
Suthn_Man


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Seems they are getting to the bottom of this serious leak problem of all those highly classified national secrets which could hurt us badly around the world, with enemies and allies alike.

So far, it tracks back to the big house on Pennsylvania Avenue. There is a lot of speculation as to who the actual abuser may be, but so far nobody knows for sure.

They will probably be appointing a Special Independent Prosecutor/Investigator, and they should! Meantime A/G Holder (DOJ) wants to appoint his own, and already has. But it is unlikely anyone will settle for that, as investigating one's own house rarely is prudent, effective, or even worthwhile.

Much more will develop on this in the coming weeks. But its a very big deal, and whatever the motivations were, it certainly appears to be political, in view of approaching elections.

Somebody has put politics and elections above our national interests and our international security. Its been called the "Watergate of the 21st Century"!

ABC News:
Host Diane Sawyer introduced the report by suggesting that administration officials have leaked sensitive information to benefit President Obama politically, noting that Democrats have weighed in against the White House as well:

We turn now from Syria to the heart of the nation's capital and a firestorm today as Republicans claim the White House has been leaking national security secrets to the press to make President Obama look good. But Democrats joined Republicans in saying, "Enough, these leaks must stop."

Dems Join Repubs in Denouncing Classified Leaks:

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Jun 24, 2012 @ 4:22 AM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
NotSG


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CPU: Yeah it all gets around globally these days lol I've caught very many Americans reading UK newspapers online too

...We have to go out of this country to find out what is going on in this country.

....I derive more facts and happenings from the Bahrain Times, NarcoNews, etc. than I ever have from our mainstream media... although FOX tries, they are mired down with playing defense in politics about half the time.
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Jun 24, 2012 @ 5:56 PM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
Suthn_Man


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While FOX doesn't shy away from awkward topics anywhere near to the extent of the so-called Mainstream Media, they too govern themselves to a lesser degree, by what they deem as politically correct. Hence it IS often better to venture across the pond, in search of a broader, more worldly, perspective.

This topic has not gotten "wide" acknowledgement by any stateside Media outlet considered Mainstream. And as such, it seems few here at MD have even heard about it.

That's the danger of being spoon-fed selective News that is first run though a political filter.

But its very real, and its a very big deal...

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Jun 25, 2012 @ 12:47 AM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
gypsy29


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You know, I have a particularly low tolerance of traitors. And people who are proven to be leaking information to our enemies are traitors.

I still think that the Valerie Plane leak was unforgivable. Our operatives must be protected. I don't care who or why.... in the end.... they have to know we support them. They are as important as our soldiers. And in some cases, more so.
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Jun 25, 2012 @ 1:14 AM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
NotSG


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Gypsy: I still think that the Valerie Plane leak was unforgivable. Our operatives must be protected. I don't care who or why.... in the end.... they have to know we support them. They are as important as our soldiers. And in some cases, more so.

....I have lost count, as they are constantly changing, but we must have over a 100 clandestine agencies and military groups in operation from this country and like the recent Fast and Furious fiasco, I have mixed emotions about protecting the secrecy of everything this government wants to define as classified.

.....I will agree that is in the best interest of the government, one that has been proven to be growing corrupt, but being in the best interest of the people is often up for discernment.... typically after the fact.

....But yes, I agree about Valerie Plane.
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Jun 25, 2012 @ 9:32 AM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
Suthn_Man


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You know, I have a particularly low tolerance of traitors. And people who are proven to be leaking information to our enemies are traitors.

Agreed Gypsy..

If we want to question something they do, don't disclose details about their mission first and ask questions later, placing them at risk, as we've done in this case, AND the Plame case too. That shouldn't be done for any reason, but especially for cheap political purposes, such as getting reelected.

Also don't 'out' our allies either, or we won't have any next time we need them! It all comes back around. Its astonishing how some of our "leaders" actually think. Or I should say 'fail to think'!

BTW Welcome Back Kid...

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Jun 25, 2012 @ 10:23 AM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
Gallows_Humor


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.. I am totally confused here... specifically..what national secrets have been leaked...NOW..


all I know of..are the ones (that really are..and should be..secret..) that supposedly have been leaked to congress over the fast and furious affair...




to clarify..

The complaints came after a series of reports in the news media about the U.S. use of a computer virus to attack Iran’s nuclear program, as well as a classified “kill list” of terror suspects targeted for U.S. drone strikes.

in both cases... the other side knew what was /is going on... to where no harm was done..by everyone talking about it..

BUT ..the bigger question is always ignored..

which is.. is Obama right in allowing cyber attacks to slow down Iran? yes or no??

and is.. Obama's continuing the bush policy of guilty/execution in abstentia .. a proper tool to be used on the continuing war on terror that Bush et al started...








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Jun 26, 2012 @ 2:36 PM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
kattsmeow


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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/26/gop-senators-press-holder-for-special-prosecutor-into-potential-national/

Among the concerns about the leaks are recent news reports regarding the United State’s drone attacks in the Middle East.
Their letter points out the recent New York Times story about the drone program and its list of human targets states the reporting involved interviews with "three dozen of [President Obama's] current and former advisers."
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Jun 26, 2012 @ 3:41 PM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
clickityclack


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kinda ironic the O-blamerz conviently forgot, until Gypsy finally mentioned it, about Valire Plane being exposed as a spy and her life endangered during a GOP administration, with the person who leaked her out having close connections to the chickenhawks dickhead cheney & dumbya...and who because of the very fact of those butt-buddy ties to the white house, recieved a pardon for his tratitorous deed
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Jun 26, 2012 @ 9:08 PM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
Suthn_Man


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As I think everybody here has said, the Valerie Plame matter was highly improper.

But certainly no less improper than this White House leaking highly secure secrets about our intel operations overseas. It doesn't seem as though Obama understands national security!

Either one of them should be considered Treasonous. However that one became a very big deal, and she wasn't even an active CIA Operative at the time. This one, as is par for course with the current Media, as it is today, has hardly even been publicized.

In fact few here seem to even be aware of it, if they never watch FOX or read the Wall Street Journal.

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Jun 26, 2012 @ 9:26 PM Who is Leaking Our National Secrets?? And Why?    
clickityclack


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yes, improper is the harshest word of choice you looney-tune right-wingnuts can bare to describe what was a GOP malfeasence of high office regarding the safety of one of our international spies, and the dire security of our country...gee, go figure?

lame azz kool-aid suckers
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