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Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?


Oct 11, 2012 @ 11:04 AM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
SimplyImp


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When does agreement become a clique? If a number of people agree with each other on certain viewpoints, what makes them a clique? Aren't they just like-minded individuals?

Because some agree with each other, and others agree with each other, which one, then, is a clique?

And at what point, when the agreeing parties follow the lead of one person, does it become a cult?

If agreement and like-mindedness is a clique, then each 'sect' of religion can be construed as a clique and as a cult, can it not?

I think that the only difference between a cult and religion is the number of people that accept it.

So did religion start off as a clique? If so, why are some accused of being in a clique, when it's acceptable to belong to another?

Why is 'new-age' religion perceived as a cult, and religion is not?



*Please keep your thoughts and opinions civil and personal attacks out of this thread. These are valid questions, and deserve respectful answers. If you can't be respectful of other's opinions and posts, please do not participate.
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Oct 11, 2012 @ 11:08 AM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
techead


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I'm so glad I didn't come up with this idea.. I would have pissed off quite a few of the ladies here because I would have corn-fused clique and cult with other names that are unmentionable here















just having fun imp, you know my *sic* sense of humor just takes over sometimes
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Oct 11, 2012 @ 11:10 AM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
SimplyImp


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lol tec - yeah, I know. You made me laugh.

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Oct 11, 2012 @ 11:12 AM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
techead


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You made me laugh.

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Oct 11, 2012 @ 11:16 AM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
bluewind37


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Tec is being naughty.

In all honesty Imp, I get so sick of this "clique" accusation that gets thrown out because someone thinks like minded people may disagree with him/her. I've seen that thrown out around on this site, and on other sites. Usually when there is a heated "debate" going on, and the one losing all of a sudden starts with "the clique".

I always thought a clique was a group of friends who didn't let others into their little circle, who would go around and find ways to mock others, or pull pranks for a laugh at the humiliation of another. Oh boy, here comes that word again, guess it's all in one's "perception".
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Oct 11, 2012 @ 11:22 AM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
techead


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Tec is being naughty.

Not meeeeeee

















heeeeee heeeeeee
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Oct 11, 2012 @ 11:33 AM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
Gallows_Humor


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there are Cliques here... and that is a fact...


but they are not cults..

Why is 'new-age' religion perceived as a cult, and religion is not?

says it all...

it has to do with someone leaving the Clique...... a religion smiles and wishes the individual well.. and does not shun them...

whereas a cult..

does everything they can to punish the individual for daring to leave...

THAT is the main difference... the minor one is the amount of secret rituals that only the inner circle know about...

in this respect....the catholic church used to be a cult.. but not any longer...





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Oct 11, 2012 @ 11:35 AM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
SimplyImp


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I always thought a clique was a group of friends who didn't let others into their little circle, who would go around and find ways to mock others, or pull pranks for a laugh at the humiliation of another.

I think that's a common perception, blue. But the actual definition of clique is : a narrow exclusive circle or group of persons; especially : one held together by common interests, views, or purposes.

With that definition, any small number of people that agree can be perceived as a clique.

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Oct 11, 2012 @ 11:42 AM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
SimplyImp


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GH - what do you define as a clique?

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Oct 11, 2012 @ 11:47 AM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
bluewind37


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Well then Imp, with that definition, I guess all of us are part of clique in some form or another.











And Tec...... That innocent act doesn't work.
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Oct 11, 2012 @ 11:48 AM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
Gallows_Humor


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a narrow exclusive circle or group of persons; especially : one those held together by common interests, views, or purposes.
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Oct 11, 2012 @ 12:20 PM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
loisagain


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does everything they can to punish the individual for daring to leave...


Love ya, GH.............

But, there are religious sects that do that to this day.

i.e Mormon/LDS. Amish, Mennonites.........being shunned and ostracized by your entire family and community is one of the worst punishments possible.

And, there are those here that cry "clique" when EVERYONE disagrees with them. They are whinny, cry babies with an absolute lack of self awareness.
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Oct 11, 2012 @ 12:32 PM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
Gallows_Humor


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exactly....
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Oct 11, 2012 @ 1:07 PM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
Apeman


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I like breathing and I know many others who do. Does that make it a clique?

As far as religion being seperate from a cult due to the understanding if someone wants to bow out....anyone ever hear of excommunication?

Religion/cult I see no difference aside from how many are involved. Jesus was part of a cult that Constantine expanded into a religion? See it how you like, but some will insist that their view is right regardless of whether it's economics, politics, religion, law, dog fighting.


All human inventions.

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Oct 11, 2012 @ 1:21 PM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
Gallows_Humor


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get with the times... the catholic church is no longer the demons that they were..

Excommunication is a religious censure used to deprive, suspend, or limit membership in a religious community or (as in the case of the Catholic Church) to restrict certain rights within it. Some groups use the term disfellowship instead.

The word excommunication means putting [someone] out of communion.


In some religions, excommunication includes spiritual condemnation of the member or group. Excommunication may involve banishment, shunning, and shaming, depending on the religion, the offense that caused excommunication, or the rules or norms of the religious community.

as there are no communion police anywhere in the present day catholic church... this meaning has no bearing..except to the ones proclaiming it..

even non catholics can partake of the host.. but in the eyes of most of the church.. without being catholic (ie: part of the clique...) the ritual is meaningless..


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Oct 11, 2012 @ 1:22 PM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
Apeman


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...and some are incapable of seeing anything objectively. At least some know what excommunication means. (I asked if anyone had heard of it, and nothing more)

Humans are inherently flawed.

[Edited on 10/11/2012 1:26 PM]
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Oct 11, 2012 @ 1:24 PM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
Merchitown


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Depends on the church...I do know folks who have and were excommunicated. When I visit a Catholic church, I ask if I may partake of communion beforehand as some churches do still observe this.
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Oct 11, 2012 @ 1:24 PM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
beckyiv42000


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Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?

Clique is a group of like minded people often exclusive of those not of the same status or mindset ..eg.. Jocks in school... the rich kids ..etc...

Cult.. religious based or belief based.. usually with the single mindset of focusing on ONE objective or goal.. worship of any object or being or idea to the extreme ..beyond normal reasoning

Now with those definitions.. (they are mine btw) Any group of friends would be considered a clique..also a cult can be considered a clique.. but a clique would not necessarily be considered a cult...

Both groups tho do EXCLUDE those who are not of their liking or mindset or that they see as beneath them..

what some don't understand tho is there are extremes in both a clique and a cult.. hence the terms like snob, zealot, extremist lib/dem etc.

Just because a person belongs to a group of people who have a like mindset does not necessarily mean they are the extreme version of that group..


Do we have cliques here?? in the broadest sense yes.. even among our friends there are those who we do not always agree with BUT unless and agenda is pushed upon us we ignore the differences .. we ignore the extremists (or try to ) Heck even BEING on this site makes us a clique we are all part of the MD group
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Oct 11, 2012 @ 1:33 PM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
kattsmeow


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Depends on the church...I do know folks who have and were excommunicated. When I visit a Catholic church, I ask if I may partake of communion beforehand as some churches do still observe this.

Plus, some believe this to be a very Holy thing.

The word cult in current popular usage usually refers to a new religious movement or other group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre.[1] The word originally denoted a system of ritual practices. The word was first used in the early 17th century denoting homage paid to a divinity and derived from the French culte or Latin cultus, ‘worship’, from cult-, ‘inhabited, cultivated, worshipped,’ from the verb colere, 'care, cultivation'.[citation needed]
In the 1930s cults became the object of sociological study in the context of the study of religious behavior. They have been criticized by mainstream Christians for their unorthodox beliefs. In the 1970s the anticult movement arose, partly motivated by acts of violence and other crimes committed by members of some cults (notably the Manson Family and People's Temple). Some of the claims of the anti-cult movement have been disputed by other scholars, leading to further controversies.
Government reaction to cults has led to controversy. Cults have also been featured in popular culture.
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Oct 11, 2012 @ 1:38 PM Cults and Cliques - what's the difference?    
Gallows_Humor


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wondering if I should state the obvious...





Depends on the church...I do know folks who have and were excommunicated. When I visit a Catholic church, I ask if I may partake of communion beforehand as some churches do still observe this.

as you want the church to give you permission...


would Jesus expect you to ask a group of men if it was ok??


AND... what would happen to you if you just did it without asking??

who but you would know...

and again..what would Jesus say..

as for dill ..quit spinning as it makes you the monkey you are....
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