| Mar 7, 2006 @ 10:01 AM |
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TiNkErGrRrRrR
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I came acrossed an article about a man who on January 16,2006 in California was put to death.He was the second eldest man to die under the death penalty. The man in question was 76 years old.The man was put to death barely four months after his heart had stopped and he was brought
back to life and placed back on Death Row.
My question is once an inmate is placed on death row, should he be brought back to life or allowed to die of natural causes, should the natural causes occur before the lethal injection or other method of carrying out his punishment?
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| Mar 7, 2006 @ 10:52 AM |
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bryan2992
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I don't think they should be on death row that long, at most 5 yrs why pay for health care food shelter for someone that is going to be put to death any longer than necessary? Natural causes shouldnt even be a factor.
I know I sound cold hearted about this but I feel that when someone takes the life of another individual, the rights of the convicted should be pretty much null and void. the whole life without parol thing is bull. 5yrs is plenty of time for lawyers to appeal a verdict.
1 wk of every year executions on death row line em up.
Feed men and women that have no regard for life? NO.
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| Mar 7, 2006 @ 11:03 AM |
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kattsmeow
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Good question Tink.
Ok, for one thing, if they didn't bring said person back, the prison could, ( and it would happen) be sued for wrongful death. I know it sounds weird, but that is the way it is now.
Since the man you are talking about, tried right up to the last moment to have his life spared, he wanted to be kept alive.
I personally think if they have a heart attack or something that would end their life, they should be left to die.
In this day and age,,,they would be sued, and all kinds of things would happen I am sure.
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| Mar 7, 2006 @ 11:07 AM |
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TiNkErGrRrRrR
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I feel that natural death behind bars, after a life of imprisonment is really bad enough. Why should they spend our tax dollars on life saving efforts, if they intend to legally murder the person anyway? I feel that by doing so it makes the whole thing seems unhuman.Its a far worse cruelty and punishment than legally murdering a 76 year old who in fact was blind, deaf, and wheelchair ridden.They should have just let him die naturally. 
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| Mar 7, 2006 @ 11:10 AM |
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kattsmeow
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Its a far worse cruelty and punishment than legally murdering a 76 year old who in fact was blind, deaf, and wheelchair ridden.They should have just let him die naturally.
Ah, then why did he get up and walk to the table and got up there by his self if he couldn't walk? Plus,,,he looked right at a family member and winked through the glass.
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| Mar 7, 2006 @ 11:20 AM |
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TiNkErGrRrRrR
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 hmmmmm I have no idea..perhaps someone got their facts wrong..this is only something that I read about.. 
Good point
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| Mar 7, 2006 @ 2:09 PM |
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exiled131
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if they have killed brutally or killed more than two people and are caught- let them have their appeals and then give them the needle... or the chair, or a hanging. with prison overcrowding and the upkeep costs skyrocketting to keep murderered in prison- we need the death penalty. it might even persuade someone not to kill.
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| Mar 7, 2006 @ 2:13 PM |
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TiNkErGrRrRrR
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But do you think its right for them to spend tax dollars on bringing someone back to life who has already died just so they can follow through with the execution?..I don`t think they should..but thats just my opinion. 
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| Mar 7, 2006 @ 2:18 PM |
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exiled131
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that is just a waste of tax dollars. that is people wanting revenge.
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| Mar 7, 2006 @ 2:41 PM |
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zulamaze
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My opinion --- NO, if he has died from a heart attack or something else, do not bring him back to life just to kill him.
I also agree with bryan --- they should have a time limit on how long they have to appeal a case. And 5 years is time
enough for that.
Prisons are overcrowded. Death row--- 5 years & do the deed.
That would certainly cut taxes (or should).
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| Mar 7, 2006 @ 2:46 PM |
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TiNkErGrRrRrR
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My opinion --- NO, if he has died from a heart attack or something else, do not bring him back to life just to kill him.
It sounds like such a waste of tax dollars if you ask me..its money that could be spent on making improvement which I`m sure every prison has need of.
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| Mar 7, 2006 @ 3:15 PM |
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Wulfchyld
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Let us not forget the innocent man that Gov. Bush executed in Texas. Of course the lawyers would only spend money for DNA after his death. Yet bush denied him DNA testing, saying your guilty and you going to die.
As far as prison overcrowding… yuck. There is so much crap work prisoners could be doing in this country it is unreal. Why not farm them out? Why have them loll in their cells with cable and a/c when there are acres upon acres they could be farming and raising livestock. (Personal soapbox) I developed a prison that actually rehabilitated and operated on NO tax dollars. The bureaucrats in their infinite wisdom told me that with no way for politicians to skim the money it would never be built. He said, you don’t really think it costs 30k a year to keep a prisoner do you? I was impressed with his candor but disgusted with the policy.
I stand by my Death squad. Make them a military commando squad and drop them off on the front line.
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| Mar 7, 2006 @ 5:12 PM |
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luvshorses644
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Wow, great question Tink...
In agreement with all of you about not spending the money to bring someone back who has naturally died when they are on death row, but I know that the family of that prisoner would sue because they would claim that there was still a chance for that prisoner to be granted a pardon...it has happened in this area.
There is also a prisoner here, who killed 13 people in 1984, who has been on death row since. Most of his victims were his own children (ages 6 months to 13) by various women. The reason for this mass murdering spree was because he was molesting one of his children and that boy told his mother who confronted him. We was supposed to be put to death so many times, but each judge that was to sentence him to the lethal injection decided he was not competent to die. What in heaven's name this is doing to that boy that told the mother is unbelievable. And we have paid for this man's health and care for the last 22 years!
I also am in agreement with Bryan about the time lines, and with Wulf about farming them out to do work (under surveilence) or put them in the front lines of the wars our country fight. To let any of these prisoners who have done unspeakable crimes live one day longer than they should is, in my opinion, horrendous justice to the lives they have taken away and those that mourn those losses.
For those that feel no one should be put to death in fear of the case of innocent people, I think the timeslines being set so that attorneys would push harder to find evidence if they believe their clients are innocent would be an incentive and perhaps then those falsely accused would not have a large an amount of time taken away from them.
[Edited on 3/7/2006 5:46 PM]
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| Mar 7, 2006 @ 5:14 PM |
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TiNkErGrRrRrR
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I`m not sure but I think there is a thing called the Work Release Program..but I think that only applies to those who aren`t hardened criminals..They have those programs here due to the over population of our jails..But would you want a hardened criminal to be farmed out?..I know I wouldn`t.
(this was directed at Wulfs comments)
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| Mar 7, 2006 @ 5:23 PM |
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Wulfchyld
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Well said Luvs  Making mandatory DNA testing, by Govt expense would eliminate so much BS. DNA has set so many free, it is the lawsuits of wrongful prosecution that keep so many ppl in prison. The Gov should be liable for wrongful prosecution, however a president should be made to limit the amount to money that could have been earned during the incarcerated period. Most ppl get freed after 30 years and are given 15 dollars. That is insulting to the innocent. Especially when you consider all they have lost. I think after concrete evidence, DNA, eyewitness, etc.. the condemned should be executed when they are taken to their cell. Russia has an execution at unequivocal guilt policy, They shoot you behind the ear when you reach your cell. I have had personal experience with serial killer. After losing my friends i was real torn about the death penalty. Once I considered that if he lived more lives would be in danger, Guards and prisoners, I became an advocate of the death penalty.
Chain gangs and shot guns work wonders Tink.
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| Mar 7, 2006 @ 5:26 PM |
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Hiwayman54
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I agree with Wulf here.Now that DNA Tech has gotten this far I think IT should be MANITORY that DNA testing be done where ANY man is going to be sent to prison.NO EXCEPTIONS. And any official of any kind that stands in the way of this should be charged criminally.Criminals go to prison,and the innocent set free.If DNA testing can prove this point either way it should be done. There is no way to compinsate an innocent man who has spent unfounded time in prison or executed because of faulty police work.
As far as this man who died is concerned.Let him die.( and give me the money saved by not extending his life to me I'll make good use of it:)
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| Mar 7, 2006 @ 6:22 PM |
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bryan2992
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we had a really good system once, it was called hanging. But because we have become "civilized" since those days we now put people into over crowded hell holes and spend money that should be spent on education and welfare reforms on them instead. yeah civilized.
I agree with wulf, if they have a sentence of 1 to 30yrs then work programs and work farms. the lifers get 5yrs done over with. yeah unfortunately in the past there have been a few inocent individuals that have been executed wrongly. that is dreadful but for each one of those there are now HUNDREDS living long lives that are guilty. FRY them, inject them hang them, or better yet let them feel what they did to each of their victims, (getting off the soap box now)
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| Mar 7, 2006 @ 7:12 PM |
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TiNkErGrRrRrR
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I think your comments were very insightful bryan..not at all did it sound like you were on a soapbox. 
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| Mar 7, 2006 @ 11:10 PM |
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Angel54214
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The man you are speaking about is Clarence Ray Allen. Here is the website on his case and his execution.
http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=local&id=3814629
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| Mar 7, 2006 @ 11:15 PM |
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TiNkErGrRrRrR
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The man you are speaking about is Clarence Ray Allen. Here is the website on his case and his execution
I got my information from another site Angel and Katt pointed out that the information i had was wrong..he wasn`t in a wheelchair or crippled like the article said he was.Was he in this one?..Or didn`t it say?
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