| Mar 9, 2006 @ 10:18 AM |
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tezra
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Does this surprise anyone? Not me, not in the slightest.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11735622/
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| Mar 9, 2006 @ 10:24 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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It unfortunately does not surprise me.
However, it does disgust and disappoint me.
Last night I was coming back from church with my neighbour. She was talking about some former Muslim who's on the Christian network now and supposedly "educates" Christians about what Islam is "truly" about. And he supposedly reads from the "Qur'an". She doesn't understand that if he's a former Muslim working for a fundamentalist Christian tv network, whatever he says needs to be taken with a grain of salt. I told her that Islam is a purely peaceful religion, I own the Qur'an, and there are nothing but messages of peace in it. She had the gall to tell me that I don't own "the real copy".
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| Mar 9, 2006 @ 10:31 AM |
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tezra
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But...
"what Islam is "truly" about" depends on which muslim you ask.
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| Mar 9, 2006 @ 10:49 AM |
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MrMikey
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All religions are open to interpretation, are they not?
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| Mar 9, 2006 @ 10:55 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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yes, they are, but stating as a fact that Islam, the religion itself (not the people who practise it) is violent, is wrong....it's not an interpretation. the Qur'an is not a violent doctrine, the religion itself does not preach violence and hatred, its the radical people who practise it who twist and turn it that way to justify their acts. it's the same thing in Christianity, and people never claim that Christianity the religion is violent. Because it's not. Neither is Islam.
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| Mar 9, 2006 @ 10:58 AM |
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exiled131
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ignorance always grows, just like bureaucracy and kudzu. there is no killing it.
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| Mar 9, 2006 @ 11:04 AM |
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t_h_e_b_r_a_t
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I am definitely one of the 46%. Enough is enough.
"She had the gall to tell me that I don't own "the real copy".
Muslims can't even agree what text is "real" or how they should be interpreted. Sound like another attempt at twisting it to mean what she wanted it to at the time.
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| Mar 9, 2006 @ 11:10 AM |
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exiled131
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yep, not being able to interpret the "real" copy. sounds like christianity to me. they can't get their b.s. together either.
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| Mar 9, 2006 @ 11:22 AM |
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kattsmeow
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Right now I am reading a good book about Islam. I think you should be informed about it before you jump all over another religion.
Knowledge is the key here. Although I am a Christian, I still need to understand why this religion believes they way they do. Why they are doing the things they are doing.
Knowledge people....
Oh and the Koran has been translated into English?
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| Mar 9, 2006 @ 11:39 AM |
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Hiwayman54
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Personally the world would be a lot better without religions of any kind in my opinion. Less wars,and less takeovers of other cultures.Time and time again thru out history one religion was fighting another.Even Christians are spreading over the world converting others to there way of thinking.Everyone has the right to there own beliefs and idea's.
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| Mar 9, 2006 @ 11:41 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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Yes, Katts, I found it 4 years ago in a bookstore in Atlantic City. There are a few translated versions but mine has both Arabic and English. I'm not sure why that really matters....but....
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| Mar 9, 2006 @ 11:44 AM |
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MotownManiax
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Tezra, public opinion is only turning against it in democratic societies because we're the target of hate, and hear about Islamic terrorists' excesses more often.
Radical Islam is actually growing in popularity in Islamic-dominated countries. Why? Because they only hear one voice and never get balanced coverage. Everything is hate and intolerance for anything western.
Is Islam a "bad" religion? No. It's being twisted and hijacked by radicals that are brainwashing an entire generation to destroy anything non-Islamic.
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| Mar 9, 2006 @ 11:51 AM |
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kattsmeow
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Yes, Mo.
If you read about their prophet, Muhammad, he was a "military man. He took land, crops and yes, he believed in assasinations. Very radical. Not a peace loving person.
I for one, believe in freedom of religion, but when it is teaching violence, hate for other people, no.
LipGlossQueen,,,,,the Koran was not suppose to be translated. I am looking into the why of this.
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| Mar 9, 2006 @ 11:54 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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Muhammad also had more wives than we can possibly count, some of them being small children.
BUT....he was a beacon for women's rights (whatever that was at the time he lived).
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| Mar 9, 2006 @ 12:00 PM |
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RareQuestor
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Personally the world would be a lot better without religions of any kind in my opinion. Less wars,and less takeovers of other cultures.Time and time again thru out history one religion was fighting another.Even Christians are spreading over the world converting others to there way of thinking.Everyone has the right to there own beliefs and idea's
Heh. The Russians and Chinese were theoretically atheist during the 20th Century and that did not stop them from killing more people than the Christians and Muslims combined.
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| Mar 9, 2006 @ 12:08 PM |
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MotownManiax
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Actually, they did have a religion, questor...The State, an all-powerful entity that needed draconian protection from their version of the "infidels" -- their own citizens.
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| Mar 9, 2006 @ 1:39 PM |
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spongebob777
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Filming themselves sawing peoples heads off tends to do that.
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| Mar 9, 2006 @ 2:53 PM |
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SylvanDreams
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Here is some interesting information I got from a friend (I did not do this research; please do not attack me if you do not agree with it. I just proffer it as food for thought and/or discussion. There is even a Web site...):
O.K. - have many of you have read the Koran or any part of it? There is a lot of debate as to whether or not this book expressly says that all infidels (unbelievers) are to be killed. The answer is yes!!!!!! In the Koran, unbelievers are not those who don't believe in Jesus Christ, but anyone who does not believe in Allah. This book does not preach love and forgiveness, but hatred and elimination of all unbelievers. Now I'll grant you, just as the Bible is open to interpretation, the Koran is as well. I have captured a majority of the passages pertaining to unbelievers. Just as the books of the bible, the Koran has books as identified in bold, underlined text and the passage identified. Look for yourself and draw your own conclusions. I used M H Shakir's translation of the Koran (http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/).
The Cow
1. [2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
The Women
1. [4.18] And repentance is not for those who go on doing evil deeds, until when death comes to one of them, he says: Surely now I repent; nor (for) those who die while they are unbelievers. These are they for whom We have prepared a painful chastisement.
1. [4.101] And when you journey in the earth, there is no blame on you if you shorten the prayer, if you fear that those who disbelieve will cause you distress, surely the unbelievers are your open enemy.
[4.151] These it is that are truly unbelievers, and We have prepared for the unbelievers a disgraceful chastisement.
The Dinner Table
[5.44] Surely We revealed the Taurat in which was guidance and light; with it the prophets who submitted themselves (to Allah) judged (matters) for those who were Jews, and the masters of Divine knowledge and the doctors, because they were required to guard (part) of the Book of Allah, and they were witnesses thereof; therefore fear not the people and fear Me, and do not take a small price for My communications; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unbelievers.
The Immunity
[9.68] Allah has promised the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women and the unbelievers the fire of hell to abide therein; it is enough for them; and Allah has cursed them and they shall have lasting punishment.
[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
The Children of Israel
1. [17.8] It may be that your Lord will have mercy on you, and if you again return (to disobedience) We too will return (to punishment), and We have made hell a prison for the unbelievers.
Marium
1. [19.83] Do you not see that We have sent the Shaitans against the unbelievers, inciting them by incitement?
The Pilgrimage
1. [22.44] As well as those of Madyan and Musa (too) was rejected, but I gave respite to the unbelievers, then did I overtake them, so how (severe) was My disapproval.
The Distinction
[25.52] So do not follow the unbelievers, and strive against them a mighty striving with it.
The Clans
[33.8] That He may question the truthful of their truth, and He has prepared for the unbelievers a painful punishment.
[33.25] And Allah turned back the unbelievers in their rage; they did not obtain any advantage, and Allah sufficed the believers in fighting; and Allah is Strong, Mighty.
The Believer
[40.25] So when he brought to them the truth from Us, they said: Slay the sons of those who believe with him and keep their women alive; and the struggle of the unbelievers will only come to a state of perdition.
The Victory
[48.13] And whoever does not believe in Allah and His Apostle, then surely We have prepared burning fire for the unbelievers.
The Examined One
[60.13] O you who believe! do not make friends with a people with whom Allah is wroth; indeed they despair of the hereafter as the unbelievers despair of those in tombs.
The Prohibition
[66.9] O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be hard against them; and their abode is hell; and evil is the resort.
Nuh
[71.26] And Nuh said: My Lord! leave not upon the land any dweller from among the unbelievers:
Time
1. [76.4] Surely We have prepared for the unbelievers chains and shackles and a burning fire.
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| Mar 9, 2006 @ 3:33 PM |
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brabazon
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It took a thousand years for the Roman Empire to decline.
The Arab world was once a beacon of light in a barbaric world with unparalelled civilisation,arts,sciences,etc.
Unfortunately 'society' in the majority of the Arab lands has become stuck somewhere in the 12th century,which if I'm not mistaken coincides with the arrival of Mohammed.
Europe has been dragged down and stultified at various times in it's history by religious fundamentalism....not least the catholic inquisitions,the dark ages,the murderous conflict between catholic and protestant.
Islam is as valid an ideology as any other but ancient holy books have always given hope to the hopeless,(people quote the bible while carrying out the most nonsensical actions).
George W Bush can be seen as a fundamentalist Christian once again carrying a crusade of conquest into the heart of Persia.
I fear the ranks of radical Islamic soldiers,almost exclusively drawn from the poor,can only swell while the west shows such disregard for the lessons of history.......
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| Mar 9, 2006 @ 11:03 PM |
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WickedWench
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Is Islam a "bad" religion? No. It's being twisted and hijacked by radicals that are brainwashing an entire generation to destroy anything non-Islamic.
Motown you could take out the word "Islam" and replace it with just about any other religion too
More people have died in the name of "who ever".
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