| Apr 19, 2006 @ 11:26 PM |
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sjpinatl
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I always thought that Christians who have pre-marital sex justify it (becasue the Bible says it is a sin) by saying that because they accept Jesus as their Savior, it makes it ok. But my close friend who is very religious and a brilliant person to boot says that there is something in the Bible that says that if you go into a sin knowingly than you go to Hell anyway. This would mean that Christians who date and have sex and or live in sin will go to Hell even if they go to church.
I was wondering in general how people who say they are Christian feel about sex as a sin? I have always wondered this, and this seems like a good place to ask about it.
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| Apr 19, 2006 @ 11:34 PM |
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franc0
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pre-marital sex is consider fornication, even if you look someone with lust is considered adultery. it is hard to resist temptation, sex can be more addictive than drugs, once you pop, you cant stop.
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| Apr 19, 2006 @ 11:40 PM |
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raykl
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religious and a brilliant person to boot says that there is something in the Bible that says that if you go into a sin knowingly than you go to Hell anyway
Boulderdash. Sex in itself is not a sin and it is stated nowhere in the bible as being a sin. There have been many religious beliefs that have been twisted throughout the centuries, to force belief through fear.......Have all the sex you want as it was given to us to enjoy.
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| Apr 19, 2006 @ 11:58 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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OK, here it is, but it's old testament, so it applies to Jew, Christians and Muslims equally.
Deuteronomy 22:13-21
If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity," then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. The girl's father will say to the elders, "I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity." Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him. They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give them to the girl's father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives. If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you.
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| Apr 20, 2006 @ 12:21 AM |
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raykl
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She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you.
This is a moral issue based on the values of the people in that time. It does not state that it is a sin under God's eyes. Mores are decided by the community.
I would love to discuss this more Heaven, but it is niteynite time on the east coast.
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| Apr 20, 2006 @ 12:36 AM |
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nah12
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the Bible and some religions teach that if one repents of his/her sins then they shall be forgiven.....it is my understanding the only sin that is not forgiven is suicide......IMO reason being you can not repent after that sin ....
i know it's a debatable issue.........
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| Apr 20, 2006 @ 11:44 AM |
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kattsmeow
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I too thought suicide was the ultiment sin. I have been told different since??
Denying God, is the ultiment sin.
Also, isn't there a forum for this thread now?
Yes, it is a sin to have sex outside of marriage. I believe it is called,,Fornification in the Bible.
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| Apr 20, 2006 @ 2:02 PM |
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sjpinatl
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I'm sure it is a sin in the bible. My question is, do Christiands think it is ok and that if they accept Jesus as their Savior they still go into Heaven? My friend says that if you knowingly do something that is a sin, as in living with someone you are not married to, or sleeping with someone, you are not a true Christian and let into Heaven.
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| Apr 20, 2006 @ 2:06 PM |
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Jessa
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I wish I never had sex before I met my husband for only one reason...
I remember what those other dicks felt like and compare him to them. I know what thicker dicks feel like... other techniques feel like... different pumping feels like... longer ones feel like.
I personally think they say no sex before marriage so the person you experience (marry) is the best you've ever had and you don't go thinking about those people you had before. I had great lovers before I got hitched and occasionally I miss the physical sensation of being with them. I wish sometimes I could change his penis... one day make it more like so and so's... you get my drift here?
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| Apr 20, 2006 @ 2:12 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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SJP, I'm not a practising Catholic, but what I was taught was that what you thought at the time you committed the sin doesn't matter, it's whether you truly repented afterwards. In that case, if you fornicated but confessed and received absolution, and you truly meant never to repeat it, you'd be forgiven, but if you knew you were really going to do it again, you wouldn't be.
Katt - I only know what I've read, and I've seen both suicide and denying God as the only unforgivable sins. Suicide would make sense as you wouldn't have a chance to repent, denying God though? That wouldn't make sense to me, unless whoever it was died denying God. If someone had a change of heart, it doesn't make sense to me that he wouldn't be forgiven. But that's just logic, something I just can't let go of!
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| Apr 20, 2006 @ 2:19 PM |
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chinabull2000
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denying God as the only unforgivable sins. This raises another issue.. is an agnostic or atheist actually denying God (in the eyes of a believer)? You can't actually deny a God you don't believe in, only the existence of that God.
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| Apr 20, 2006 @ 2:40 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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China, I believe that's just what Denying God is meant to mean.
It is my understanding that Denying God means the same thing as Not believing God exists, or Denying God's existence.
I could very well be wrong though.
I think you might have been thinking of Disobeying a God you don't even believe in.
And I'm not real certain about this, but I think that as a result of the Grace freely given to all who believe in His sovereignty, there is not ANYTHING we can do, (since the termination of His physical life).
I believe that the ONLY unforgiveable sin WAS the failure to acknowledge Jesus Christ's Lordship. (So I also believe that this sin became moot upon His crucifixion.)
I'll look into it.
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| Apr 20, 2006 @ 2:55 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Sj, Hi. 
It's my understanding that sex-without marriage is a sin for everyone.
A sin is a sin is a sin.
But it's also my understanding that whatever sin might be brought-up at the time of Judgement, (happening upon our physical death, before the Throne of our Heavenly Father); those who have asked Jesus Christ to accept their lives + souls have become "clients" of His.
Meaning that in the ensuing trial, (when all of your earthly sins are brought forward); Jesus Christ will defend you.
(And it is my understanding that He has NEVER lost a case.  )
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| Apr 20, 2006 @ 5:14 PM |
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grumblebear
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there are so many things said in the Bible, in the case of divorce, most believe you have no option left but celibacy, biblically any sex after divorce, married or not is adultry if you are a Christian.....
Matthew 5:31-32:,There are no valid grounds for divorce
"It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."
Mark 10:2-12:, Remarriage is not permitted
"And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him...And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery."
1 Corinthians 7:10-17: Remarriage is permitted, in some circumstances:
Paul then deals with inter-faith marriages, in which a Christian is married to a Pagan. The Christian spouse should not initiate a separation or divorce; however they should allow their non-Christian spouse to separate if they they wish. and if the Christian is left, he or she is no longer "under bondage." They are apparently free to remarry .
But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife? But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches."
Pre-Marital?
Don't you know that if a man joins himself to a prostitute, he becomes one body with her? For the Scriptures say, 'The two are united into one'.
1 Corinthians 6:16 - New Living Translation
Run away from sexual sin! No other sin so clealy affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.
1 Corinthians 6:18 - New Living Translation
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| Apr 20, 2006 @ 6:28 PM |
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sjpinatl
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My friend was saying that premeditated sin, according to Matthew or Mark(she could not remember which) is not forgiven as it happens. So a lot of people who think they are going to heaven, are not. Even if they claim they accept Jesus.
I personally do not believe in Heaven or Hell. But my take was that Christianity says that you can gun down a schoolbus of children, or sleep with someone outside of marriage, or lie or cheat or steal, and no problem...You say you accept Jesus? You're in Heaven anyway.
But according to my friend, premeditated sin is not automatically forgiven. So...A lot of people who preach that they are going to Heaven, would not even under their bible.
I have always had a hard time swallowing that Christians can beat their wives(something very few Jews do) and shoot up schoolmates (something done primarily be Christian white males), or have a live-in or serial manogomy outside of marriage, yet be destined for Heaven and Jews who live a good life, give to charity, care about others, go to Hell? Um. No.
But, my friend's explanation does make me more tolerant to the religion in general, because according to what she says, Christians can't sin as they please and end up in Heaven as some of them seem to be mistaken to believe.
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| Apr 20, 2006 @ 7:08 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Okay...after asking an older woman who has been a Baptist for many years--about God's Grace and The Forgiveness Of Sin.
I'm not entirely certain how absolute this is among all denominations; but in a Baptist-understanding, there is no longer ANY Unpardonable Sin.
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| Apr 20, 2006 @ 7:19 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Heaven,,,ya, I think common sense says you can't be forgiven if you are already dead,,,
I will have to ask my husband about the denying God one though.
Ok, I hope I make some sense here.
When you ask Jesus to come into your heart/life, you are then "saved". You have to truely believe and try to be as sinless as you can.
I have never heard of premeditated sin. A sin is a sin. You can be forgiven of anything. I know,,I too have a problem with this. (murders, sex abuse ect.)
You have to try to go by Gods "rules"/ Jesus's teachings.
As a Christian,,I do believe that Pre-Marital sex is a sin. Now,,before anyone says anything, I have did this one. I know I have been forgiven for it.
In the long run,,we are suppose to be like Jesus. Ok,,,,,now,,that is a challenge!!!!
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| Apr 20, 2006 @ 8:19 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Hi Katt.
Yup...you are right about that one...acheiving Christlikeness is a very challenging thing. 
But He understands that we're imperfect beings.
After all, He is the Designer. *giggle*
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| Apr 20, 2006 @ 8:24 PM |
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bogus549
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you get my drift here?
Yea,keep your adolescent crap in the sex forums Jessa
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| Apr 20, 2006 @ 8:26 PM |
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sjpinatl
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I found this...Though an Agnostic probably does not need to discuss religion, I would probably feel more confortable understanding Christianity if Christians did not put a serial killer as more holy as a nice Jewish person who contributes to society..But I suppose that is how you believe.
How many of today's believers behave in a way they know is sinful and yet they go ahead and do what they feel like doing, anyway? That's because they mistakenly think Divine grace covers intentional sin. That is a huge misconception! Divine grace has made wonderful provision for unintentional sin. But there is no provision for intentional sin. The Bible tells us so.
Deliberate, premeditated sin is willful disobedience and rebellion against God. It results in severe punishment or even loss of our salvation.
Hebrews 10: 26 For if we deliberately continue to sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but only the terrifying prospect of Judgment, or raging fire that will consume the enemies.
The above Scripture is not referring to those unclean bondages that dwell in our flesh but to the conscious choices believers make. It refers not to our unintentional sins but to those we pursue knowingly and willingly.
It is not sin per se that causes a person who professes to be a believer to be eternally estranged from God but, rather, it is our surrender to sin which causes our faith and faithfulness to dim or completely die out. We flirt with spiritual disaster if we - by our thoughts, words, and conduct - deny Christ, reject grace, spurn redemption, and push away the Holy Spirit.
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