| Nov 30, 2005 @ 12:49 PM |
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kaden69
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I love it first and foremost, but have a question after watching the "Return of the King",....again last night,... @ the end when Gandolf came w/ the Elves & took Frodo and his dad off on the boat,..... exactly where was he going?
My husband & I were trying to figure it out so anybody know?
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| Nov 30, 2005 @ 5:20 PM |
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solitaryhorseman
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In simplest terms they were dying...
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| Nov 30, 2005 @ 6:04 PM |
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kaden69
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ahhhh this is what I thought  Poor Frodo
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| Nov 30, 2005 @ 6:06 PM |
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kaden69
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But why O why?
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| Nov 30, 2005 @ 6:10 PM |
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tahoma
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In simplest terms they were dying...
Not true at all... if you know the whole story (refer to the Silmarillion)they are heading off to the undying lands where the elves originally came from. Remember the elves were the first born and are immortal.
And just for the record, Bilbo was Frodo's uncle, not his dad.
(can anyone say LOR geek here) 
[Edited on 11/30/2005 6:11 PM]
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| Nov 30, 2005 @ 6:11 PM |
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kaden69
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OMG there is hope!
There seems to be a huge difference of opinion tho 
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| Nov 30, 2005 @ 6:16 PM |
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tahoma
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Let the debate begin 
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| Nov 30, 2005 @ 8:08 PM |
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ulalume
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The implication seemed to be that he was going to live out his last days... be they only a few or still many... with the elves. The ring, they mentioned in one of the other films, gave him an unnaturally longer life.. so I'm thinking the days are few.
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| Nov 30, 2005 @ 8:42 PM |
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lobo65
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If memory serves, I'm pretty sure Tahoma is right. Been awhile since I read the books, but I intend to re-read them eventually.
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| Dec 1, 2005 @ 1:05 AM |
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darknitexx
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the reason that people think that they were dying, is because they were forever leaving the world they once knew...after the journey that frodo was on and what he had to bear while carrying the ring, he was never able to go back to his old life...the elves were leaving middle earth...their reign was over...they were in fact sailing to the undying lands...think of it sort of as an elf heaven, except they dont die...so more of a haven i guess...frodo, bilbo (his uncle) and gandalf went along with them...frodo already felt dead to his world and gandalf, well, he's just flippin great...i'm not sure if by going that meant that they were now immortal or not though...i havent finished the books yet, i just know a lot of people who have read them...someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i think that was the jist of it all...
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| Dec 1, 2005 @ 7:12 AM |
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solitaryhorseman
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Remember I did say "in simplest terms". Darknitexx hit it.... while they were not dying per say....they were certainly leaving everything they loved. In Lothlorien one Elf lamented that he was not sure if mallorn trees grew across the western sea. Frodo, as he was leaving for the grey havens, lamented to Sam that sometimes one must give up something one loves in order to save it. I dont have the book in front of me so I cant provide page numbers and can only paraphrase from memory....sorry.
Another hint lies in the passage that just before Frodo saw the white shores a grey rain curtain rolled back....I took this as Tolkiens way of saying that they were sailing to a different plane of existence and that while they may not have physically died they were certainly no longer in Middle Earth.
Respect and regards, S.H.
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| Dec 1, 2005 @ 10:34 AM |
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summersquall
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They were not going to die, that is why they said in the movie that Elrond "granted" Bilbo this privilege. That is also why Arwen was going to die because she was not going with Elrond to the undying lands.
Also remember that Gandalf was going with them, Gandalf had died with his fight with that Balrock and was 'sent back' to continue to help Man retake Middle earth. Sent back from where?
There is no death in the undying lands. Bilbo and Frodo were going as a reward for their efforts in saving middle earth.
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| Dec 1, 2005 @ 11:01 AM |
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solitaryhorseman
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Everyone is going to have their own different interpetation and I really dont think it matters one way or another, As long as you found the Movie and/or book entertaining, inspiring and fun thats all that matters  have a great day everyone.
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| Dec 1, 2005 @ 12:29 PM |
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kaden69
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Uhhhh thanks for the clarification everyone 
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| Dec 1, 2005 @ 12:58 PM |
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tahoma
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hey Kaden, your welcome.. I have been reading the trilogy every other year or so since the 6th grade. A few years back I bought my sisters the LOR trivial pursuit. We had a blast with it!
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| Dec 1, 2005 @ 1:14 PM |
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kaden69
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yea I don't feel so bad about not knowing which answer it was
especially if even all of these guys can't agree!
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| Dec 2, 2005 @ 10:56 AM |
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naciremamod
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Hey, first off Bilbo isn't Frodo's dad--he's his adoptive uncle. Bilbo and Frodo join Gandalf and the 3 Elven Kings and Queen at the Grey Havens to take a ship and depart for Valinor. That's the undying lands where the elves are headed for throughout the movies. It's where Elrond wanted Arwen to go so that she may live peacefully. This doesn't really get touched upon in the movies due to lack of time but I strongly recommend the books. With so much that had to get cut out it'll almost feel like you're reading about a whole new journey. Hope I helped.
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| Dec 2, 2005 @ 9:13 PM |
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summersquall
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The extended versions of the movie touched on the whole thing in much greater detail.
Jackson did a superb job with that entire project...
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| Dec 3, 2005 @ 10:40 AM |
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MotownManiax
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Yep, can't wait for his version of King Kong, too. I saw the preview when I watched the current Harry Potter. Looks very interesting.
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| Dec 3, 2005 @ 7:37 PM |
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kaden69
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Thank You Everyone!
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